Off-duty officer in Anaheim fires weapon in altercation with teenager

[EMSBronco]

Video surfaces of off-duty LAPD officer firing gun during altercation with juveniles

and, here's one of the longer videos:
I'm not sure what to think of this situation. It appears the off-duty was upset about the kids crossing his yard, yes, trespassing. But, he confronted them and escalated the situation and it is not clear if he ever identified himself as an officer or presented a badge or ID.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Wow.

Looks like he may have had an ad/nd pulling him over the bush.

Anyone get hit?

 

[EMSBronco]

Nobody got shot.
I think at the point where the officer drew his firearm, he was justified because the group of kids were getting more aggressive and he was surrounded...but I also think he showed bad decision making in letting it get that far. He had plenty of opportunities to de-escalate...if the kid got away, just report the incident. Nobody's lawn is worth risking injury over.

 

[GUNSICK]

Was he dragging that kid back to his property?

 

[ECU Pirates]

Clint Eastwood handled punks on his lawn better.

 

[Marine Cpl]

BS. He was not justified.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Once the big kid swung at him and the other one crossed the hedge line to get at him, he was in a bad situation. Self defense.

You don't think those kids were defending their friend? He put himself in that situation. He never said that he was police or that he was under arrest. He could have been a rapist for all they knew.

All be had to do was let go.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

defense.

I dont think so

 

[Marine Cpl]

From what we know, the kids walked on his lawn and mouthed off after being called out on it. That's no real crime to detain someone.

2nd, he could have identified himself multiple times as a police officer. He didn't. No verbal warning, badge, or anything came into play.

3rd, his life was in no danger. All be had to do was let go and defend himself if it got to that.

4th, he had a negligent discharge.

5th, had one of us done that....

 

[Eddie Gunks]

At 2:43 they had a talk about cops.

 

[GOPerfect]

Wow, I guess I watched a completely different video.

Besides having a AD/ND, he was absolutely justified in his actions. Even when he drew out his gun. The only mistake that he made was not controlling his finger and his pistol.

Sometimes I have to wonder why people carry guns. The more here that I read, it is a conversation piece at the most.

I do agree though that he should have de-escalated the entire situation!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I do agree though that he should have de-escalated the entire situation!

That's the whole point. It never should have gotten to that point. No crime was committed. Can you imagine what Central Command would have said if he called them in the beginning and said that he was detaining a 14 year old for walking on his grass coming home from school?

If I had done that, where would I be after you responded? What if I had killed him? Justified aye? I don't think so.

If your son walked on my yard with his friends, would I be justified in escalating it to that level and manhandling him over bushes putting his life at risk?

And please don't say your son wouldn't do that. It's a hypothetical question.

Just because you have a gun, it doesn't mean you have to use it in every situation.

 

[Mosinitis]

If there is no fence, good luck keeping kids out.

 

[Cooolone]

Trespassing is a crime, eminent domain is an issue as it is stated kids walk over the property daily. Yes, he could have let go and de-escalated the situation knowledgeable to the fact the kids walk by there every day, etc. Fact is only part of the confrontation is shown, we all have no idea if a crime was committed before recording and is why the LEO was holding on to the kid. The officer is under increasing escalation and being surrounded. Not sure if I would've drawn on a group of kids, but with a group, it would be easy to be under attack and lose control, possibly hurt badly. If you've never been under this type of assault, don't judge, mob mentality is a very very dangerous scenario and can go bad in a blink of an eye. Once the one kid rushes and has success with the officer, you see others close in...

So, anyways, justified? I'd say yes, but also ND yes! End of story, kid is lucky gun wasn't pointed at him, but he will lose in any lawsuit as the off duty will show he was protecting himself. Civil suit? Not so sure there is standing to have a civil suit.

Ok, Flame On!

 

[4excal]

Watching that shit(well skimmed it with FF) and still didn't see it happen bah. #fakenews

 

[freddy]

Just heard those are muslim kids. Cop should have aimed better. Exterminate the goat fuckers!

 

[Robin]

After the AD/ND there was a lot of shit in the BVD's!
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just heard those are muslim kids. Cop should have aimed better. Exterminate the goat fuckers!

They weren't Muslim.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The kid didn't fail to leave the property. He was actually being dragged back to it so he didn't trespass.

(t)(1) Entering upon private property, including contiguous land, real property, or structures thereon belonging to the same owner, whether or not generally open to the public, after having been informed by a peace officer at the request of the owner, the owner's agent, or the person in lawful possession, and upon being informed by the peace officer that he or she is acting at the request of the owner, the owner's agent, or the person in lawful possession, that the property is not open to the particular person;  or refusing or failing to leave the property upon being asked to leave the property in the manner provided in this subdivision.

 

[GOPerfect]

I would have liked to see ALL of the video. The entire incident, not just what these little turds want us to see.

There were threats made.

Whatever, stay armed, god knows some of you will NEVER draw your gun.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Trespassing is a crime, eminent domain is an issue as it is stated kids walk over the property daily. Yes, he could have let go and de-escalated the situation knowledgeable to the fact the kids walk by there every day, etc. Fact is only part of the confrontation is shown, we all have no idea if a crime was committed before recording and is why the LEO was holding on to the kid. The officer is under increasing escalation and being surrounded. Not sure if I would've drawn on a group of kids, but with a group, it would be easy to be under attack and lose control, possibly hurt badly. If you've never been under this type of assault, don't judge, mob mentality is a very very dangerous scenario and can go bad in a blink of an eye. Once the one kid rushes and has success with the officer, you see others close in...

So, anyways, justified? I'd say yes, but also ND yes! End of story, kid is lucky gun wasn't pointed at him, but he will lose in any lawsuit as the off duty will show he was protecting himself. Civil suit? Not so sure there is standing to have a civil suit.

Ok, Flame On!

Yeah, a mob of "kids". Did you see the size of them? It was definitely escalating in the video, between more and more kids showing up, and starting to corner/surround him, it was on the verge of getting really ugly. Him pulling his gun actually de-escalated (is that even a word/term?), but his ND made a real mess of everything he did "right".

It'd be nice to know the rest of the story, ie why it got to this point and what it was he was hoping to accomplish.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Whatever, stay armed, god knows some of you will NEVER draw your gun.

Don't be ridiculous GP.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I thought you were beyond the Blue Wall GP?

Whether threats were made, kids are kids. That's what they do if they indeed did that. What we have here is a kid who told him to fuck off and walked away.

Questions? Why was he being dragged to his property?

Why didn't he identity himself as a police officer when things started getting out of control and the kid was saying that his uncle was a cop?

Why didn't he tell the other kids that the one he was holding was under arrest?

When things start getting out of control where you so called fear for your life, wouldn't it be more prudent to let go, draw, and identify yourself as a police officer and tell the so called perp not to move? After that I'm pretty sure the other kids would have backed off.

It's beyond ridiculous that you think this clown was in the right. Like I said before. If you observed me doing that while in uniform with your Sergeant, what would be your reaction?

 

[GOYABEAN]

Protests erupt after off-duty LA officer clashes with teens

 

[GOPerfect]

Don't be ridiculous GP.

First off, no redicoulousness here. Me, I carry a gun for my protection. As soon as I perceive a threat, my gun comes out. I do not care what others think. I said it before and I will say it again, I will never be a victim! Period.

I thought you were beyond the Blue Wall GP?

Whether threats were made, kids are kids. That's what they do if they indeed did that. What we have here is a kid who told him to fuck off and walked away.

Questions? Why was he being dragged to his property?

Why didn't he identity himself as a police officer when things started getting out of control and the kid was saying that his uncle was a cop?

Why didn't he tell the other kids that the one he was holding was under arrest?

When things start getting out of control where you so called fear for your life, wouldn't it be more prudent to let go, draw, and identify yourself as a police officer and tell the so called perp not to move? After that I'm pretty sure the other kids would have backed off.

It's beyond ridiculous that you think this clown was in the right. Like I said before. If you observed me doing that whole on uniform with your Sergeant, what would be your reaction?

This has nothing to do with a blue wall mentality. If I didn't know he was a cop, I would be saying the same thing. Kids you say? The taller black kid in the video was charged with assault, he is 15 and has been arrested 22 times already. Just kids? I think not. These are not just kids, they are vermin plaguing our streets and our neighborhoods.

 

[Marine Cpl]

First off, no redicoulousness here. Me, I carry a gun for my protection. As soon as I perceive a threat, my gun comes out. I do not care what others think. I said it before and I will say it again, I will never be a victim! Period.





This has nothing to do with a blue wall mentality. If I didn't know he was a cop, I would be saying the same thing. Kids you say? The taller black kid in the video was charged with assault, he is 15 and has been arrested 22 times already. Just kids? I think not. These are not just kids, they are vermin plaguing our streets and our neighborhoods.

My point is that none of this would have happened and he wouldn't have been in that situation had he called the local police for backup and followed the kid if he indeed committed a crime that required detainment.

He put himself in that situation. Had he not put himself in that situation, he wouldn't have been surrounded.

And you still haven't answered my questions on why he never identified himself as a police officer in the video. He had numerous opportunities to say, "Back Off! Police!"

This guy is an embarrassment. Not only did he not handle himself correctly in the police work aspect, he had a negligent discharge. That alone is unacceptable.

 

[camper4lyfe]

My point is that none of this would have happened and he wouldn't have been in that situation had he called the local police for backup and followed the kid if he indeed committed a crime that required detainment.

He put himself in that situation. Had he not put himself in that situation, he wouldn't have been surrounded.

And you still haven't answered my questions on why he never identified himself as a police officer in the video. He had numerous opportunities to say, "Back Off! Police!"

This guy is an embarrassment. Not only did he not handle himself correctly in the police work aspect, he had a negligent discharge. That alone is unacceptable.

According to the article, he did call the PD, and they were on their way.

 

[GOPerfect]

We don't know what transpired. The video does not start at the beginning. Apparently the little bastard knew he was a cop. He made a statement to the effect that he didn't care, so, at some point, he must have identified himself as one. One more thing, we don't know who called the coppers. Maybe he did at the start.

 

[dsdmmat]

Gangs of Teens even if they are not "a gang" are dangerous. Most of them cannot think for themselves and the gang mentality makes them both unpredictable and dangerous to life, limb and property. If there are more than two of the mindless teen drones at any incident they should be considered a deadly threat.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So assuming he called and backup was on the way, why didn't he trip the kid down, draw down and yell "Police! Don't move!" ?

Had he done that, the outcome would have been different.