Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

[spat]

I’d say the first word in your statement being recreational would indicate it’s not your profession or occupation.
Occupation is generally seen as your principle work and the main way you make your income. It’s on your taxes so I think they will know. I’m just warning about what our futures might hold. I think listing or asking for occupation is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard since what indication does it give about a person’s personality? We just had the governor and superintendent of state police have to resign for misconduct of some sorts.
I’m just warning that lying to a government entity can be a crime and can be punishable and when the “real” background checks for ammo come into play this could be an issue. I’m sure you will sign a form saying it’s all truthful statements because why not right? Of it doesn’t match I’ll bet at the very least you get denied the sale. My PPO says if I don’t update my occupation they can revoke my pistol permit. I do not ever plan to have an ammunition background check so I don’t plan on this being an issue for me.

I think nobody looks at it to deny the sale.

And I think if they did after the fact and tried to prosecute you for lying on the form they would have a very hard time making it stick for such a statement.

 

[Grimscale]

So give me a break.... Walmart (and other stores) not selling pistol ammo is BS, because they actually are. They ain't fooling anyone who knows about guns.

Then it must be in your area only.
Every Walmart I've been in in Western NY does not have what is commonly referred to as "pistol ammo". No 9mm, no 45, no 38, no anything.
I see .22, various shotgun shells, occasionally 7.62, .308, etc. All the "hunting" calibers.
They won't even carry 5.56 or .223 anymore.

If you have other evidence I'd gladly read about it. But, as far as WNY goes, nope.

 

[ManualF150]

Then it must be in your area only.
Every Walmart I've been in in Western NY does not have what is commonly referred to as "pistol ammo". No 9mm, no 45, no 38, no anything.
I see .22, various shotgun shells, occasionally 7.62, .308, etc. All the "hunting" calibers.
They won't even carry 5.56 or .223 anymore.

If you have other evidence I'd gladly read about it. But, as far as WNY goes, nope.

What I'm referring to is any round, including popular rifle rounds (30-06) can be used in a pistol. Such as a Thompson Center Encore as an example.

Besides, what if I want to go hunting with a 9mm round? They are now discriminating.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I bought .35 Remington at the PX last week: they had a three ring binder with a page that had ME write my name, address, DOB, occupation, and what the ammunition was for (Marlin 336) the Clerk wrote the make, model, and quantity.
Many are making the motions so they can claim compliance, others are overkilling it, even more don't give a fat-flying fuck.

Teachers always said I had poor penmanship.

 

[Saltwater60]

Here's my problem with all of this... with anyone that has just a weeee bit of gun knowledge, knows that most smaller cartridges can and have been used for pistols and rifles (long guns).

Let's look at the 22LR... that is a universal cartridge for BOTH handguns and long guns. 9mm can be used in handguns and long guns too. So can 45ACP. As well as 17HMR... let's go bigger into rifle rounds... how about 7.62X39... they make pistols (PAK1) for that rifle round too.

So give me a break.... Walmart (and other stores) not selling pistol ammo is BS, because they actually are. They ain't fooling anyone who knows about guns.

It's just "feel good tactics".

Why pistols anyway? I thought big bad scary assault weapons were the ones that killed everyone.

 

[Grimscale]

What I'm referring to is any round, including popular rifle rounds (30-06) can be used in a pistol. Such as a Thompson Center Encore as an example.

Besides, what if I want to go hunting with a 9mm round? They are now discriminating.

Good points

 

[rmosh]

Good points

They don't give a shit about our rights, you think they give a shit about "discriminating"? They control everything. Literally. Media, companies, information, laws, judicial system, money, credit, jobs, voting. Everything.

 

[ManualF150]

They don't give a shit about our rights, you think they give a shit about "discriminating"? They control everything. Literally. Media, companies, information, laws, judicial system, money, credit, jobs, voting. Everything.

Exactly... They don't care and they do control every aspect of our lives.

They are lovin' it.

 

[rmosh]

Exactly... They don't care and they do control every aspect of our lives.

They are lovin' it.

All of it is so goddamn depressing. I've lost all faith in the system. The older I get the more I find I despise the majority of people and find them fickle and deserving of nothing but contempt.

 

[livingston]

All of it is so goddamn depressing. I've lost all faith the system. The older I get the more I find I despise the majority of people and find them fickle and deserving of nothing but contempt.

Think what trump is going through. The communists are trying to destroy him at every turn

 

[Acer-m14]

What I'm referring to is any round, including popular rifle rounds (30-06) can be used in a pistol. Such as a Thompson Center Encore as an example.

Besides, what if I want to go hunting with a 9mm round? They are now discriminating.

my friend had one "Thompson Center Encore" .. 270win .. we crush 30-06 brass in the die and make it lol

we also have 270win rifles too

 

[CaliberPlus]

so your only selling ammo to those that have a pistol permit with a listed occupation on it ..

so like you work at walmart and will only sell 9mm to a permit holder ..

No, driver's license. No, I am trying to stay in business and not go beyond what is required. Ya see there is a state and federal license that is required to do this shit and there are times when we get checked. Your snot about Wal Mart is not appreciated.

 

[rmosh]

No, driver's license. No, I am trying to stay in business and not go beyond what is required. Ya see there is a state and federal license that is required to do this shit and there are times when we get checked. Your snot about Wal Mart is not appreciated.

I understand your frustration about trying not to do anymore than is necessary but still be within the "law". My neighbor is an FFL, I haven't been in there in months because I refuse to hand over all my information for the cunts in albany. I'm sure many FFL's have seen a drop in business now unfortunately. I didn't even bother hunting this year. I just said to hell with it.

 

[ManualF150]

I understand your frustration about trying not to do anymore than is necessary but still be within the "law". My neighbor is an FFL, I haven't been in there in months because I refuse to hand over all my information for the cunts in albany. I'm sure many FFL's have seen a drop in business now unfortunately. I didn't even bother hunting this year. I just said to hell with it.

Just think of all of the young folks that wanted that 10/22 for Christmas that their parents were going to gift them. Gouge that right off the list... All for a harmless little 22LR semi auto rifle to go learn with.

Yet it's OK at 16 for them to operate a 6000+LB dangerous machine on the roadways.

As far as sales, yes, a lot of local guns shops have told me they seen a HUGE decline. Especially the fuds.

 

[That_FNG]

Just think of all of the young folks that wanted that 10/22 for Christmas that their parents were going to gift them. Gouge that right off the list... All for a harmless little 22LR semi auto rifle to go learn with.

Yet it's OK at 16 for them to operate a 6000+LB dangerous machine on the roadways.

As far as sales, yes, a lot of local guns shops have told me they seen a HUGE decline. Especially the fuds.

Good. I’m glad the FUDDs have been affected. Maybe next time the FUDDs will vote differently.

 

[Gunright]

This is what we are doing to sell ammo, I take a copy of your license, write down occupation and brand, caliber of ammo. It goes in a file in "a neat and orderly fashion". I have had an exotic dancer and a Santa. I don't believe it is up to me to police what you tell me. Now, you take the file which is at over an inch thick and multiply by gun shops all over the state and tell me how much of this will get recorded, *for now*. When the damn background check goes in, that will be a different story. For now, that folder is not where any one should have access, and I hope it winds up in the burning barrel. (Which is well ventilated )

We have to spend a bunch of $$ to put doors on the ammo in the next few days. I can hardly wait. I do not want to loose our customers, many of which have been repeat, some just pop in to say "hi". If it weren't for being damn stubborn and actually liking a bunch of you gun guys, we would be outta here. This state makes me ill some days.

I have heard a "rumor" there will be a lawsuit against the ammo regs and other crap which is in the one bill. It is a different bill than the CCIA which is the main focus at this time. Remember, there were ten laws passed at the beginning of June, including the Red Flag crap.

I am sorry for what you are going through. But I will tell you I will never buy another round of ammo in NYS and very unlikely to ever buy another rifle or shotgun here either.

 

[REF]

FWIW, I was in what is usually a slam packed gun store in Albany yesterday just testing the waters for a couple of safe queens I may decide to part with, and the place was a morgue. Guys working there told me it’s been dead since October. They are offering “free transfers “ for ammo to get people in, lol . Also, while I was there 2 separate people came in to possibly purchase long guns and had no clue about the permit to purchase semiautomatic rifles . Employee showed me about 10 rifles that are bought and paid for but I guess Albany county is waiting for the state for direction on a “semiautomatic permit”. In my county, it’s an amendment on my PP. What a fucking shit show.

 

[ManualF150]

I am sorry for what you are going through. But I will tell you I will never buy another round of ammo in NYS and very unlikely to ever buy another rifle or shotgun here either.

Check your personal messages...

 

[FrankenCub]

I am sorry for what you are going through. But I will tell you I will never buy another round of ammo in NYS and very unlikely to ever buy another rifle or shotgun here either.

I'm done also. Was wanting a new handgun but it's gonna wait till I'm gone. I haven't even been shooting much anymore, on conservation mode. Unless I make a trip into PA.
NY can burn to the ground.

 

[JRtraderny]

I am sorry for what you are going through. But I will tell you I will never buy another round of ammo in NYS and very unlikely to ever buy another rifle or shotgun here either.

And my friends thought I was nuts for stocking up on everything the last 10 yrs. , nope I'm set till I croak .

 

[REF]

And my friends thought I was nuts for stocking up on everything the last 10 yrs. , nope I'm set till I croak .

Ditto, bought a few guns and a considerably large ammo order before this shit started and I’m just exhausted from trying to keep up on all the laws and considered myself “good” for the time being. As far as I’m concerned I’m not buying anything else here unless a miracle happens and it not going to happen. I’m not quitting, I’m just quitting in NY. They can have their fucking dystopia.

 

[rmosh]

Good. I’m glad the FUDDs have been affected. Maybe next time the FUDDs will vote differently.

Division in our ranks is never a good thing. I despise the term "fudd". I can contrast that with all the tacticool mongoloids running around with their $500 swiss army ar's with $4000 worth of useless bullshit hanging off it, muzzle sweeping everyone (including their fellow tacticunts) in sight. All of us should be sticking together. And as far as voting is concerned, it's a crock of shit. They control it along with everything else. I still vote because why not I guess, but I'm extremely doubtful it means anything.

 

[Saltwater60]

Division in our ranks is never a good thing. I despise the term "fudd". I can contrast that with all the tacticool mongoloids running around with their $500 swiss army ar's with $4000 worth of useless bullshit hanging off it, muzzle sweeping everyone (including their fellow tacticunts) in sight. All of us should be sticking together. And as far as voting is concerned, it's a crock of shit. They control it along with everything else. I still vote because why not I guess, but I'm extremely doubtful it means anything.

Many fudds stick their heads in the sand and said this will never happen so you can think what you want but there will never be unity is a wide spread group like this. Too many thoughts. Many gun owners only want a .22 and a shotgun for hunting so they will never see our side and we won’t see their side either.
They pay no attention to what’s going on and they are going to be sad they didn’t. I was talking to a friend the other day and he told me what he did so I told him what the law was and how many felonies he just committed. He had no clue. He’s got a single 12 gauge for hunting but he likes my ar we shot.

 

[FP1201]

I am sorry for what you are going through. But I will tell you I will never buy another round of ammo in NYS and very unlikely to ever buy another rifle or shotgun here either.

And the democrats of New York State thank you for your compliance and efforts to remove guns from the serfs.

 

[rmosh]

Many fudds stick their heads in the sand and said this will never happen so you can think what you want but there will never be unity is a wide spread group like this. Too many thoughts. Many gun owners only want a .22 and a shotgun for hunting so they will never see our side and we won’t see their side either.
They pay no attention to what’s going on and they are going to be sad they didn’t. I was talking to a friend the other day and he told me what he did so I told him what the law was and how many felonies he just committed. He had no clue. He’s got a single 12 gauge for hunting but he likes my ar we shot.

If it's one thing the libiots do extremely well is keep us divided. Just look at the "news". It is designed to inflame and enrage us against us.

 

[FrankenCub]

If it's one thing the libiots do extremely well is keep us divided. Just look at the "news". It is designed to inflame and enrage us against us.

Libiots don't have to do much, fudds don't give a shit about these new laws. You complain about tacticool mongoloids with $4k of junk on poverty pony ARs but they are the ones fighting these laws. Your fuckin fudds and their $10k trap guns and $5k bird guns don't care as long as it doesn't effect them. I know that's a fact because I know some assholes like that, personally. They don't think anyone should own any kind of semi rifle, including handguns. There's a lot of them in NY. They're the ones sitting on their asses when it's time to vote.
When it comes to sticking together, how the hell do you work with someone who doesn't care about anything outside their narrow view?
There's a couple guys I've spent hours talking to about this subject to no avail, they still think ARs are for the military. You can't educate some people. Just hope they one day feel your pain when they have their expensive guns threatened. Far as I'm concerned they can lube them with their Hoppes no7 and stuff them up their asses.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Libiots don't have to do much, fudds don't give a shit about these new laws. You complain about tacticool mongoloids with $4k of junk on poverty pony ARs but they are the ones fighting these laws. Your fuckin fudds and their $10k trap guns and $5k bird guns don't care as long as it doesn't effect them. I know that's a fact because I know some assholes like that, personally. They don't think anyone should own any kind of semi rifle, including handguns. There's a lot of them in NY. They're the ones sitting on their asses when it's time to vote.
When it comes to sticking together, how the hell do you work with someone who doesn't care about anything outside their narrow view?
There's a couple guys I've spent hours talking to about this subject to no avail, they still think ARs are for the military. You can't educate some people. Just hope they one day feel your pain when they have their expensive guns threatened. Far as I'm concerned they can lube them with their Hoppes no7 and stuff them up their asses.

Spending 10k to shoot clay discs is just plain dumb.

 

[FrankenCub]

Spending 10k to shoot clay discs is just plain dumb.

Yep! Back when I shot every day I could hit every bird every time with my Ithaca 37. All. Day. Long.
Friend of mine refused to shoot with me, he had a $5000 O/U, I had my $200 beat up pump. I had nothing else to do though so that's what I did. Made clay dust. It was cheap then too lol.

 

[Grimscale]

And the democrats of New York State thank you for your compliance and efforts to remove guns from the serfs.

What compliance? No one said they weren't still buying ammo. Just not in NY.

And what guns are being removed? Sounds like people are either just holding on to them or obtaining them from out of state.

 

[FrankenCub]

Just picked up my new pp ID card, upgrade from Broome's paper permit. They make sure to spell it out on the back. We're not good enough to carry in the city...