One of the benefits of having a pilot dive buddy. Few months ago we flew all over and I had a gun. On me. In an airplane.
And the world went on ticking.
Help! A NYS County is trying to suspend / revoke CCW permit over photo w/ religious headgear
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And the world went on ticking.
spat
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He probably posted the stuff about fees for private roads leading to anarchy while waiting at the tollbooth on the thruway.
Good thing the government is here to save us from ridiculous fees for roads, am I right?
Haven't found your copy of the social contract yet, eh?
We discuss it in Politics and law every day.. so quit looking...you signed it anyway, you just don't remember. The first tme you voted or opened a bank account, or stopped at a red light and got a Drivers License you signed up for it.
I worked for in the highway sector for 40 years. I know about highway funding and the Fed Gas tax, contracts, bidding cost sharing, litigation etc, etc.........
In each town in NYS, prior to the Revolution, each township kept a "road book", indicating Kings Highways and the Kings Military Highway...like in Herkimer county...........,and actual locations in metes and bounds...
After the revolution the practice was expanded, and each new roadway in a town, be it a "by common use", a dedicated way, a Turnpike, a plank road, a purchased ROW, a roadway that was owned by adjoining owners to the centerline of the common use byway, but maintained by the local municipality, including bridges, were entered into the Highway book, untl the State DPW took over certain roads as State Highways.
Today the Fed regulate most Interstate roadways, and pay for their maintenance/reconstruction by the States.
Anyway:
These historical road books are locked away in your local country clerks basements.
The NYSDOT/ the old State DPW, etc, keeps historical construction maps of all state highways constructed and reconstructed since 1922.... back 100 years, so that ownership can be determined thru the years as roads are reconstructed.....there are still areas of state highways not actually owned by the State, and some tway claim were open and never paid.
These records are accessed by certified State and private title searchers researching the land ownership of many roads, yet today, as the highways have to be widened that are/were not actually owned by the County or State.
I am staggered by the exhibition of lack of factual knowledge on topics easily researched..
The libertarian notion that owning a gun, now makes you a Libertarian Einstein, and knowedgable about EVERYTHING, instead of just opinionated about everything, are many times unresearched and unfounded, and is remarkrable in it's humor.
It is hilarious in fact.
I suggest being factually correct, or just state that it is your opinion that you post, and do not mislead posters with false facts that are really just angry opinions.
We discuss it in Politics and law every day.. so quit looking...you signed it anyway, you just don't remember. The first tme you voted or opened a bank account, or stopped at a red light and got a Drivers License you signed up for it.
I worked for in the highway sector for 40 years. I know about highway funding and the Fed Gas tax, contracts, bidding cost sharing, litigation etc, etc.........
In each town in NYS, prior to the Revolution, each township kept a "road book", indicating Kings Highways and the Kings Military Highway...like in Herkimer county...........,and actual locations in metes and bounds...
After the revolution the practice was expanded, and each new roadway in a town, be it a "by common use", a dedicated way, a Turnpike, a plank road, a purchased ROW, a roadway that was owned by adjoining owners to the centerline of the common use byway, but maintained by the local municipality, including bridges, were entered into the Highway book, untl the State DPW took over certain roads as State Highways.
Today the Fed regulate most Interstate roadways, and pay for their maintenance/reconstruction by the States.
Anyway:
These historical road books are locked away in your local country clerks basements.
The NYSDOT/ the old State DPW, etc, keeps historical construction maps of all state highways constructed and reconstructed since 1922.... back 100 years, so that ownership can be determined thru the years as roads are reconstructed.....there are still areas of state highways not actually owned by the State, and some tway claim were open and never paid.
These records are accessed by certified State and private title searchers researching the land ownership of many roads, yet today, as the highways have to be widened that are/were not actually owned by the County or State.
I am staggered by the exhibition of lack of factual knowledge on topics easily researched..
The libertarian notion that owning a gun, now makes you a Libertarian Einstein, and knowedgable about EVERYTHING, instead of just opinionated about everything, are many times unresearched and unfounded, and is remarkrable in it's humor.
It is hilarious in fact.
I suggest being factually correct, or just state that it is your opinion that you post, and do not mislead posters with false facts that are really just angry opinions.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
spat
.700 Nitro Express
But mah roads...
LoL.
The vast majority of roads are built and maintained locally.
What percentage of the roads in the US are actual federal interstates ? 1% maybe 2% ?
repete
.338 Win Mag
And you didn't all of a sudden have an urge to hijack the plane?
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Urge? Heck, the gun COMPELLED HIM!
The only thing that saved the plane was the pilot refusing to turn off the "FASTEN SEATBELTS" sign.
You could not be more wrong in your statement, that most roads are built and maintained locally.
Potholes maybe,..local joes who drive snowplows in the winter, working for the the city or county, patching with cold patch......
There are about 50,000 miles of 4 land Interstate Highways in the system.
Truckers use them as do most travelers going some distance, or just around the local beltway around the city. There are more than 150 million trucks in the USA, using the systemand delivering the goods from coast to coast.
I did not like it, but the new Biden Infrastructure plan was for road and bridges, mostly locally, as the Interstate system already has $650 billion spent on it each year for maintenance.
www.forbes.com
1.2 trillion NEW MONEY for roads and bridges nationwide...cities cannot afford to build or repair bridges or tunnels nor can the states and counties.......... and most funds come from the Feds.
Ice cream is made locally in many places, as is Pizza, but not the road construction and funding of roads locally............... Roads are repaired by contractors who bid the jobs and are paid by the State or municipality, or the Feds thru the state.
Maybe you just see roads being repaired, locally, and assume it is all locally funded??
I don't care if you take a gun on a plane; does not make it special to me.
Potholes maybe,..local joes who drive snowplows in the winter, working for the the city or county, patching with cold patch......
There are about 50,000 miles of 4 land Interstate Highways in the system.
Truckers use them as do most travelers going some distance, or just around the local beltway around the city. There are more than 150 million trucks in the USA, using the systemand delivering the goods from coast to coast.
I did not like it, but the new Biden Infrastructure plan was for road and bridges, mostly locally, as the Interstate system already has $650 billion spent on it each year for maintenance.
Everything In The $1.2 Trillion Infrastructure Bill: New Roads, Electric School Buses And More
The sweeping new bill includes $110 billion for roads and bridges, $65 billion to equip all Americans with broadband internet, $1 billion for the Great Lakes and much more.
www.forbes.com
1.2 trillion NEW MONEY for roads and bridges nationwide...cities cannot afford to build or repair bridges or tunnels nor can the states and counties.......... and most funds come from the Feds.
Ice cream is made locally in many places, as is Pizza, but not the road construction and funding of roads locally............... Roads are repaired by contractors who bid the jobs and are paid by the State or municipality, or the Feds thru the state.
Maybe you just see roads being repaired, locally, and assume it is all locally funded??
I don't care if you take a gun on a plane; does not make it special to me.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I now support abortion in some cases, without a limit on number of years after birth.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Ah yes. 50,000 miles of interstates, out of 3,900,000 miles of roads.You could not be more wrong in your statement, that most roads are built and maintained locally.
Potholes maybe,..local joes who drive snowplows in the winter, working for the the city or county, patching with cold patch......
There are about 50,000 miles of 4 land Interstate Highways in the system.
Truckers use them as do most travelers going some distance, or just around the local beltway around the city. There are more than 150 million trucks in the USA, using the systemand delivering the goods from coast to coast.
I did not like it, but the new Biden Infrastructure plan was for road and bridges, mostly locally, as the Interstate system already has $650 billion spent on it each year for maintenance.
Everything In The $1.2 Trillion Infrastructure Bill: New Roads, Electric School Buses And More
The sweeping new bill includes $110 billion for roads and bridges, $65 billion to equip all Americans with broadband internet, $1 billion for the Great Lakes and much more.
1.2 trillion NEW MONEY for roads and bridges nationwide...cities cannot afford to build or repair bridges or tunnels nor can the states and counties.......... and most funds come from the Feds.
Ice cream is made locally in many places, as is Pizza, but not the road construction and funding of roads locally............... Roads are repaired by contractors who bid the jobs and are paid by the State or municipality, or the Feds thru the state.
Maybe you just see roads being repaired, locally, and assume it is all locally funded??
I don't care if you take a gun on a plane; does not make it special to me.
3,000,000 of which are locally maintained rural roads.
You kind of made my point for me.
Remind me again how many workers the federal DOT employs for road maintainence ?
Or is *all* their construction and maintainence outsourced to local contractors and departments ?
All the actual federal DOT workers are bureaucrats or road pirates harassing truckers over petty bullshit.
None of them have ever laid actual pavement in modern memory.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
last i knew all road repairs were contracted out to the lowest bidder including kickbacks
snowplowing is in a different category
snowplowing is in a different category
FHWA releases FY 2023 apportionments for federal-aid highway programs, Bridge Formula Program
On October 11, the U.S. Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration apportioned $53.54 billion in FY 2023 for nine federal-aid highway programs.
Wrong again...find me even one allocation in local budgets to build highway WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL FED AND STATE FINANCIAL COST SHARINGs......even snow plowing is paid for by the state and Feds. Repaving streets in cities and the counties comes from Fed-state to local trickle down payments.
Municipalities simply have no funds or staff to build roads and bridges...FEDS AND STATE AND THEIR HIRED CONTRACTORS DO.
All bridges on country roads have state design and financial backing to the counties/towns. It used to be one million a mile to build single lane roads but that figure is sadly out of date.
Road Assessments - Michelin Mobility Intelligence
Visualize and analyze your roads with ratings generated by artificial intelligence.
www.roadbotics.com
Lowest bidder on all highway contracts, have to meet Fed standards for wages, design standards, environmental safeguards, payment for State, or contract construction inspectors, inspecting every scoop of gravel and hours spent on each task, mason carpenters, specialized other labor, utility relocations or upgrades,,,,,,, and survey teams,..it ogoe son and on you simply have no clue as tothe scope of planning even repaving a 2 lane county highway and striping....another cost. Ditching alone is expensive.
Over 75% of highway contracts end up in court due to cost over runs and the State's unwillingnesss to pay.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
Except no. Every township in my area does their own ditch maintenance and road paving with the 6-10 guys they have on staff. There is very little oversight at that level. There are no surveys, no prevailing wage, no design standards. My local municipality recently installed a 80' concrete bridge on their own, no outside labor, no on site scrutiny. They had an engineer design the bridge and rolled with that.
County level and higher are usually paved by contractors, but the county and state do their own ditch maintenance as well as line painting.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Today I learned that States and Localities get all their money from the Federal Government,
and the Federal Government doesn't get its money from local people who would be taxed by those localities to maintain those roads.
Who knew!
and the Federal Government doesn't get its money from local people who would be taxed by those localities to maintain those roads.
Who knew!
repete
.338 Win Mag
Our very own NYS Thruway, as well as the Ohio Turnpike and I believe the PA Turnpike. That's just off the top of my head.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
when we the people try to fix the roads because the state and towns do not ..
you get arrested
www.huffpost.com
you get arrested
Man Faces Fine For Filling Potholes City Hasn't Fixed
Man Faces Fine For Filling Potholes City Hasn't Fixed
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Exactly. Locals and contractors do all the work, feds just siphon off some funds and add no value for taxpayers whatsoever.FHWA releases FY 2023 apportionments for federal-aid highway programs, Bridge Formula Program
On October 11, the U.S. Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration apportioned $53.54 billion in FY 2023 for nine federal-aid highway programs.www.naco.org
Wrong again...find me even one allocation in local budgets to build highway WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL FED AND STATE FINANCIAL COST SHARINGs......even snow plowing is paid for by the state and Feds. Repaving streets in cities and the counties comes from Fed-state to local trickle down payments.
Municipalities simply have no funds or staff to build roads and bridges...FEDS AND STATE AND THEIR HIRED CONTRACTORS DO.
All bridges on country roads have state design and financial backing to the counties/towns. It used to be one million a mile to build single lane roads but that figure is sadly out of date.
Road Assessments - Michelin Mobility Intelligence
Visualize and analyze your roads with ratings generated by artificial intelligence.
Lowest bidder on all highway contracts, have to meet Fed standards for wages, design standards, environmental safeguards, payment for State, or contract construction inspectors, inspecting every scoop of gravel and hours spent on each task, mason carpenters, specialized other labor, utility relocations or upgrades,,,,,,, and survey teams,..it ogoe son and on you simply have no clue as tothe scope of planning even repaving a 2 lane county highway and striping....another cost. Ditching alone is expensive.
Over 75% of highway contracts end up in court due to cost over runs and the State's unwillingnesss to pay.
Your whole argument that "you need federal money" ignores the fact that there *is* no federal money, it's all tax payer money.
What do taxpayers need the feds involved for ? So they can drive costs up, productivity down, and enrich their cronies ?
No thanks.
The second half of your diatribe just explains the mechanism for the waste. You list all the ways the feds force money to be wasted on a simple 2 lane repaving job, that locals left to their own devices could to for a fraction of the cost.
Local highway maintenance crews, be them State, County, Town, or City, who patch potholes with cold patch, or ditch roads and plow snow, from local City DPW's, Town Highway Depts, or State Highway Residency shops, do so with budgeted limited funds....and some Fed and State assistance financially to pay them.........read below.
This is who you see at the local tavern, and sitting in trucks.
From Dinapoli NYS Comptroller;
Local governments receive transportation aid from the state and federal government for roads and certain other transportation infrastructure, and both can fluctuate. State aid is provided through several programs, most notably the Consolidated Local Street and Highway Improvement Program (CHIPS). In State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2021-22, CHIPS funding for local governments, including New York City, was increased from the annual amount of $438 million, a level previously unchanged since 2013, to $538 million.
www.osc.state.ny.us
They do not not build, repair, or redesign superhighways or bridges.
They are............................."unqualified" ...................to do so, by their lack of education training and experience.
They are not Civil Engineers, Design engineers, Structural Engineers-- Bridge Designers, Architects, Surveyors, or Bonded Construction Companies, with subcontracted Specialists like the Mason carpenters, Operating Engineers, Engineers in Charge, Scheduling specialists, and finally, Accountant trained cost estimators, who work with the State Cost estimates, so as to bid correctly.
Get the drift?
This is who you see at the local tavern, and sitting in trucks.
From Dinapoli NYS Comptroller;
Local governments receive transportation aid from the state and federal government for roads and certain other transportation infrastructure, and both can fluctuate. State aid is provided through several programs, most notably the Consolidated Local Street and Highway Improvement Program (CHIPS). In State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2021-22, CHIPS funding for local governments, including New York City, was increased from the annual amount of $438 million, a level previously unchanged since 2013, to $538 million.
DiNapoli Releases Report on Local Roads
Local governments across New York State spent $2 billion on road maintenance, repairs and upgrades in local fiscal year (FY) 2020, a decline of 7% since 2010 when adjusted for inflation, according to a report by New York State Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli.
They do not not build, repair, or redesign superhighways or bridges.
They are............................."unqualified" ...................to do so, by their lack of education training and experience.
They are not Civil Engineers, Design engineers, Structural Engineers-- Bridge Designers, Architects, Surveyors, or Bonded Construction Companies, with subcontracted Specialists like the Mason carpenters, Operating Engineers, Engineers in Charge, Scheduling specialists, and finally, Accountant trained cost estimators, who work with the State Cost estimates, so as to bid correctly.
Get the drift?
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OwnTheRide
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Personally, I'd say "if it is a religion, then it is fake." Which I suspect may be the point you are getting at.
But in the context I used it, it would be "what religious people call anything that attempts to expose their bullshit through mimicry."
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Neither do federal employees.Local highway maintenance crews, be them State, County, Town, or City, who patch potholes with cold patch, or ditch roads and plow snow, from local City DPW's, Town Highway Depts, or State Highway Residency shops, do so with budgeted limited funds....and some Fed and State assistance financially to pay them.........read below.
This is who you see at the local tavern, and sitting in trucks.
From Dinapoli NYS Comptroller;
Local governments receive transportation aid from the state and federal government for roads and certain other transportation infrastructure, and both can fluctuate. State aid is provided through several programs, most notably the Consolidated Local Street and Highway Improvement Program (CHIPS). In State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2021-22, CHIPS funding for local governments, including New York City, was increased from the annual amount of $438 million, a level previously unchanged since 2013, to $538 million.
DiNapoli Releases Report on Local Roads
Local governments across New York State spent $2 billion on road maintenance, repairs and upgrades in local fiscal year (FY) 2020, a decline of 7% since 2010 when adjusted for inflation, according to a report by New York State Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli.
They do not not build, repair, or redesign superhighways or bridges.
They are............................."unqualified" ...................to do so, by their lack of education training and experience.
They are not Civil Engineers, Design engineers, Structural Engineers-- Bridge Designers, Architects, Surveyors, or Bonded Construction Companies, with subcontracted Specialists like the Mason carpenters, Operating Engineers, Engineers in Charge, Scheduling specialists, and finally, Accountant trained cost estimators, who work with the State Cost estimates, so as to bid correctly.
Get the drift?
The bridges and highways are designed, constructed, and rebuilt when necessary by private engineering and construction firms.
When you drive through a construction zone where they are rebuilding an overpass, the trucks and equipment say things like "CP Ward", not "Federal DOT".
The right answer is to get the feds almost completely out of the process, and to move it as close to the actual construction firms as possible.
A good approach would be to push the risk on them as well. Force them to offer maintainence guarantees. We don't just buy a bridge that we had to inspect. We buy a bridge and all maintenance for 20 years in one contract.
If they want to skimp and have to rebuild it every 2-3 years, that's out of their pocket. If they want to do a good job up front, so it doesn't need much more than mowing and a little cold patch to meet standards for a couple decades that's on them too.
Require a bond so they can't bankruptcy their way out of the obligation.
But, there is *no* state in the union that can't do it all themselves. The feds are not needed for anything.
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The OP was about wearing a spaghetti collander for an id photo on religious grounds..that has been ruled illegal by the courts.
As far a the Road Construction business process goes, you powers of observation are keen.
However having worked for the system for 40 years, I can tell you this..... never in the history of man has a road contractor decided to rebuild a road...... and bill whomever.
The PLANNING stage for rebuilding State and Federal highways, that we mostly use, and even some city and and towns roads & bridges............ are reviewed for condition constantly by inspection teams--you may have heard of bridge inspections....???
Local politicians are always involved in the planning phase........like in Syracuse in planning the rebuilding the RACIST RT 81
Survey crews are sent out to survey the roadway, using levels and transits and geospatial devices now................. to gather data on the physical situation and location, for the highway Design team and Bridge Design teams...
Sometimes this design of highways and bridges is farmed out to Design Companies like C&S and many others. In Syracuse the SOB houses the Region 3 Design and Construction teams, with State Highway maintenance garages located around the Region.
The various designs are reviewed by a consultant design team for errors and corrected; and a cost is determined for the job, the public approves sometimes, and the final version is let out for bid by ........ bonded and Fed certified contractors.......
Low bid is usually taken, unless the low bid is obviously fraudulent.
The Contractor and State, mutually accept the contract for a Bridge or reconstruction of a highway, with time limits set, and cost over rides considered, due to design errors or unforseen issues.
City highways and bridges are mostly part of the State or Interstate system county bridges qualify for Fed/State funds too......
Ever notice Traffic Signals and paint striping changes?
All are done/paid for designed, on major roads and intersections after a Highway Safety and Traffic division sets the standards and let it out for contract.
Counties may have their own road striping teams/trucks or let that out for contract bid..
DOT maintenance garage personnel, do ditching and minor culvert jobs and snowplowing.
When a highway or Bridge, Fed or State, is under construction is it is overseen by the State Highway Construction Division.........a State EIC..Engineer in Charge, and his team of inspectors............ who can stop the job for observed mistakes.
Final acceptance of the job has to be done, and approved by the State, before final payments or corrections are made. Lawyers now get into the mix big time, when the road or bridge does not ride smooth.
So you entire concept/understanding of how a highway is rebuilt, or a bridge is replaced-------------------------is located in a total misunderstanding of what you may see when encountering a construction site.
Billions and billions of dollars..........
www.asphaltinstitute.org
www.artba.org
Do not cross the Asphalt, or Concrete, or Road Builders associations............they are like a huge mafia, with agents everywhere........... and NO, all road jobs are done not by locals but by huge interlocking conglomerates...who hide in plan sight.......... to deceive you.
As far a the Road Construction business process goes, you powers of observation are keen.
However having worked for the system for 40 years, I can tell you this..... never in the history of man has a road contractor decided to rebuild a road...... and bill whomever.
The PLANNING stage for rebuilding State and Federal highways, that we mostly use, and even some city and and towns roads & bridges............ are reviewed for condition constantly by inspection teams--you may have heard of bridge inspections....???
Local politicians are always involved in the planning phase........like in Syracuse in planning the rebuilding the RACIST RT 81
Survey crews are sent out to survey the roadway, using levels and transits and geospatial devices now................. to gather data on the physical situation and location, for the highway Design team and Bridge Design teams...
Sometimes this design of highways and bridges is farmed out to Design Companies like C&S and many others. In Syracuse the SOB houses the Region 3 Design and Construction teams, with State Highway maintenance garages located around the Region.
The various designs are reviewed by a consultant design team for errors and corrected; and a cost is determined for the job, the public approves sometimes, and the final version is let out for bid by ........ bonded and Fed certified contractors.......
Low bid is usually taken, unless the low bid is obviously fraudulent.
The Contractor and State, mutually accept the contract for a Bridge or reconstruction of a highway, with time limits set, and cost over rides considered, due to design errors or unforseen issues.
City highways and bridges are mostly part of the State or Interstate system county bridges qualify for Fed/State funds too......
Ever notice Traffic Signals and paint striping changes?
All are done/paid for designed, on major roads and intersections after a Highway Safety and Traffic division sets the standards and let it out for contract.
Counties may have their own road striping teams/trucks or let that out for contract bid..
DOT maintenance garage personnel, do ditching and minor culvert jobs and snowplowing.
When a highway or Bridge, Fed or State, is under construction is it is overseen by the State Highway Construction Division.........a State EIC..Engineer in Charge, and his team of inspectors............ who can stop the job for observed mistakes.
Final acceptance of the job has to be done, and approved by the State, before final payments or corrections are made. Lawyers now get into the mix big time, when the road or bridge does not ride smooth.
So you entire concept/understanding of how a highway is rebuilt, or a bridge is replaced-------------------------is located in a total misunderstanding of what you may see when encountering a construction site.
Billions and billions of dollars..........
- Asphalt Institute
The Asphalt Institute is the international trade association of petroleum asphalt producers, manufacturers and affiliated businesses. About Us Through education, engineering, technical development, environmental stewardship and marketing leadership, the Asphalt Institute promotes the safe use...
www.asphaltinstitute.org
American Concrete Institute
The American Concrete Institute (ACI) is a leading authority and resource worldwide for the development and distribution of consensus-based standards, technical resources, educational programs, certification programs, and proven expertise for individuals and organizations involved in concrete...
www.concrete.org
American Road and Transportation Builders Association
We build the transportation construction market. Our members build America's transportation network.
www.artba.org
Do not cross the Asphalt, or Concrete, or Road Builders associations............they are like a huge mafia, with agents everywhere........... and NO, all road jobs are done not by locals but by huge interlocking conglomerates...who hide in plan sight.......... to deceive you.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Yes, planning and inspection are legitimate government jobs. 99% state and local jobs.The OP was about wearing a spaghetti collander for an id photo on religios grounds..that has been ruled illegal by the courts.
As far a the Road Constuction business process goes, you powers of observation are keen.
However having worked for the system for 40 years, I can tell you this..... never in the history of man has a road contractor decided to rebuild a road...... and bill whomever.
The PLANNING stage for rebuilding State and Federal highwys, that we mostly use, and even some city and and towns roads & bridges............ are reviewed for condition constantly by inspection teams--you may have heard of bridge inspections....???
Local politicians are always involved in the planning phase........like in Syracuse in planning the rebuilding the RACIST RT 81
Survey crews are sent out to survey the roadway, using levels and transits and geospatial devices now................. to gather data on the physical situation and location, for the highway Design team and Bridge Design teams...sometimes this design of highways and bidges is farmed out to Design Companies like C&S and many others. In Syracuse the SOB houses the Region 3 Design and Construction teams, wiht State Highway maintenance garages located around the Region.
The various designs are reviewed by a consultant design team for errors and corrected; and a cost is determined for the job, the public approves sometimes, and ithe final version is let out for bid by ........ bonded and Fed certified contractors.......
Low bid is usually taken, unless the low bid is obviously fraudulent.
The Contractor and State, mutually accept the contract for a Bridge or reconstruction of a highway with time limits set, and cost over rides considered due to design errors or unforseen issues.
City highways and bridges are mostly part of the State or Interstate system county bridges qualify for Fed/State funds too......
Ever notice Traffic Signals and paint striping changes?
All are done on major roads and intersections after a Highway Safety and Traffic division sets the standards and let it out for contract.
Counties may have their own road striping teams/trucks or let that out for contrct bid..
DOT maintenance garage personnel, do ditching and minor culvert jobs and snowplowing.
When a highway or Bridge, Fed or State, is under construction is it is overseen by the State Highway Construction Division.........a State EIC..Engineer in Charge, and his team of inspectors............ who can stop the job for observed mistakes.
Final accepetance of the job has to be done and approved by the State, before final payments or corrections are made. Lawyers now get into the mix big time, when the road or bridge does not ride smooth.
So you entire concept/understanding of how a highway is rebuilt, or a bridge is replaced-------------------------is located in a total misunderstanding of what you may see when encountering a construction site.
Billions and billions of dollars..........
- Asphalt Institute
The Asphalt Institute is the international trade association of petroleum asphalt producers, manufacturers and affiliated businesses. About Us Through education, engineering, technical development, environmental stewardship and marketing leadership, the Asphalt Institute promotes the safe use...American Concrete Institute
The American Concrete Institute (ACI) is a leading authority and resource worldwide for the development and distribution of consensus-based standards, technical resources, educational programs, certification programs, and proven expertise for individuals and organizations involved in concrete...www.concrete.orgAmerican Road and Transportation Builders Association
We build the transportation construction market. Our members build America's transportation network.
Do not cross the Asphalt, or Concrete, or Road Builders associations............they are like a huge mafia, with agents everywhere........... and NO, all road jobs are done not by locals but by huge interlocking conglomerates...who hide in plan sight.......... to deceive you.
At this point the requirements for a federal DOT are miniscule. A couple thousand people tops, and a budget sufficient to cover their salaries.
Then they determine what work needs to happen, bids go out for work (engineering and construction). Then *congress authorizes money for them separately from the DOT budget* and the DOT guys check in to see if the work is getting done right.
Because the money to get work done should depend on how much work needs to get done, not "we've got x dollars every year, and we'd better use it or we'll lose it".
Backwards and upside down again.
There is no god-like Fed Highwqay Dept, just a Department--the FHWA full of employees/accountant types who approve funding to the States, and review of some projects......but they build no roads.
All Fed Highway work is funded by the FWHA thru their long term budget process, as State DOT requests by all states, for infrastructure projects..Fed and state Infrastructure............ are always in the system and all flows to the State..fed let no contracts at all..................it is not like shopping at Walmart--"oh I need this today"..
Joe Bidens 1-2 trillion infrastructure bill was mentioned above but forgotten;
www.cnbc.com
This funding is addition to the $700 billion the FHWA already give to the States , EVERY YEAR ,to maintain/rebuilt Fed/State Highways, and some local projects thru the Stte.
Give it up..like pissing up a rope and it spills back on you.
There is no god-like Fed Highwqay Dept, just a Department--the FHWA full of employees/accountant types who approve funding to the States, and review of some projects......but they build no roads.
All Fed Highway work is funded by the FWHA thru their long term budget process, as State DOT requests by all states, for infrastructure projects..Fed and state Infrastructure............ are always in the system and all flows to the State..fed let no contracts at all..................it is not like shopping at Walmart--"oh I need this today"..
Joe Bidens 1-2 trillion infrastructure bill was mentioned above but forgotten;
Biden signs $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill into law, unlocking funds for transportation, broadband, utilities
Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which will put $550 billion in new funds into transportation, broadband and utilities.
www.cnbc.com
This funding is addition to the $700 billion the FHWA already give to the States , EVERY YEAR ,to maintain/rebuilt Fed/State Highways, and some local projects thru the Stte.
Give it up..like pissing up a rope and it spills back on you.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
back on topic ..
NYSRPA vs Bruen ..
1791 .. NO PERMITS NEEDED .. OR A PHOTO EITHER
Case Closed
NYSRPA vs Bruen ..
1791 .. NO PERMITS NEEDED .. OR A PHOTO EITHER
Case Closed
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
since you brought up DOT .. Fed Dot inspection on Semi Trucks is below NYS inspection standards for a Same Semi Truck
and if you have one registered in NYS .. you get to have both done .. LOL ..
spat
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So, why again are the citizens *of the states* giving a trillion tax dollars to the feds, just so they can siphon half of it back off and return it to the states with a bunch of strings attached ?Backwards and upside down again.
There is no god-like Fed Highwqay Dept, just a Department--the FHWA full of employees/accountant types who approve funding to the States, and review of some projects......but they build no roads.
All Fed Highway work is funded by the FWHA thru their long term budget process, as State DOT requests by all states, for infrastructure projects..Fed and state Infrastructure............ are always in the system and all flows to the State..fed let no contracts at all..................it is not like shopping at Walmart--"oh I need this today"..
Joe Bidens 1-2 trillion infrastructure bill was mentioned above but forgotten;
Biden signs $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill into law, unlocking funds for transportation, broadband, utilities
Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which will put $550 billion in new funds into transportation, broadband and utilities.
This funding is addition to the $700 billion the FHWA already give to the States , EVERY YEAR ,to maintain/rebuilt Fed/State Highways, and some local projects thru the Stte.
Give it up..like pissing up a rope and it spills back on you.
Which one of the *states* doesn't have the ability to do that job themselves ?
Sure, podunkville Nebraska probably can't manage a major redesign of an intersection on an interstate. But *Nebraska* certainly has the resources to do it without the feds controlling the purse strings.
This thread certainly went far afield from my original post.
In those immortal words (slightly paraphrased) from Dragnet…, “yesterday a hearing was held in the matter…, and in a moment, the results of that hearing…”
An informative post will be forthcoming as soon as documents can be sufficiently redacted.
In those immortal words (slightly paraphrased) from Dragnet…, “yesterday a hearing was held in the matter…, and in a moment, the results of that hearing…”
An informative post will be forthcoming as soon as documents can be sufficiently redacted.