Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[FP1201]

off on a slight tangent; I'm very interested in what will happen at the Syracuse Gun Show Sept. 16 & 17
I wonder what will happen to those who always require "further review" by a Supervisor. (I have a UPIN, FFL, FCC, FAA, class A CDL, and other licenses, CCW from NY, FL, PA, and "trusted person" retirement ID from the DoD and yet every 4473 I submit to requires "further review") WTF!

 

[Saltwater60]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I just found this on the NY site

• As of 2022, the definitions of both "rifles" and "shotguns" have been amended to include muzzle loading, flintlock, and black powder rifles and shotguns. Therefore, NYS law now requires a background check be performed prior to the transfer of the above-mentioned guns.
• Muzzle loading ammunition components are not considered ammunition.

I knew this was part of the CCIA. It sucks for sure.

 

[Acer-m14]

I knew this was part of the CCIA. It sucks for sure.

did they leave out BP pistols ??

 

[Saltwater60]

did they leave out BP pistols ??

I thought no.

 

[Acer-m14]

See post #388 ^^^^^^

 

[PA Guns & Ammo]

We are fucked, plain and simple. This is going to be dragged on for years. Who is going to stop them, the justice department? The state attorney general? Even if a republican wins the governor's seat in 2026, you still have to deal with the legislature. In order to get ANYTHING done, the republican governor will have to be a RINO. The senate is majority democrat 42-21 and the assembly is also majority democrat 101-48. So you can vote republican all you want, nothing will change. Sucks but that is reality.

 

[thughes]

off on a slight tangent; I'm very interested in what will happen at the Syracuse Gun Show Sept. 16 & 17

Hmmm...you mean the vendors that aren't FFL's but show up with tables full of ammo for sale?

Maybe it'll work like the current pp purchase process: the SP will have a booth set up to run BG checks for people that want to buy ammo: You pay the vendor for the ammo and take your receipt to the SP and pay the nice officer to run the check. If you get a proceed, you then receive a coupon from the SP that allows you to go back to the ammo vendor's table to pick up your purchase.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

More than ever, you just need to GTFO! Just do it and flip the fuckers the bird as you cross into free America. New Yorkistan is too far gone, and just a lost cause.

 

[FP1201]

Hmmm...you mean the vendors that aren't FFL's but show up with tables full of ammo for sale?

Maybe it'll work like the current pp purchase process: the SP will have a booth set up to run BG checks for people that want to buy ammo: You pay the vendor for the ammo and take your receipt to the SP and pay the nice officer to run the check. If you get a proceed, you then receive a coupon from the SP that allows you to go back to the ammo vendor's table to pick up your purchase.

I get your point, however they can register as "a seller of ammunition" so long as they have a Sales Tax ID (imagine that) "Keeper(s) of ammunition" has a different form that asks for the organizations ID number... The big ammo vendors likely will have this already, or maybe they just said "fuck that! we're not going." either way, I predict an epic cluster fuck with a whole bunch of pissed off people that'll do nothing but whine "where's the NRA? why aren't they doing something about this" (like that $25 a year in dues is going to secure their 2A Rights.)

 

[FP1201]

More than ever, you just need to GTFO! Just do it and flip the fuckers the bird as you cross into free America. New Yorkistan is too far gone, and just a lost cause.

If we all could do it, do you really think we'd even be discussing it? Sorry, life isn't always that simple.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

If we all could do it, do you really think we'd even be discussing it? Sorry, life isn't always that simple.

Of those of us who have done it, pretty sure most of us would not say it was simple or easy.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Madness. All of it.

 

[FP1201]

Of those of us who have done it, pretty sure most of us would not say it was simple or easy.

It's not, and I HAVE moved back and forth several time for us and our Parents...

 

[thughes]

I get your point, however they can register as "a seller of ammunition" so long as they have a Sales Tax ID

Serious question, because I'm curious: Does registering as "seller of ammo" give you POC access to the SP bg check system?

 

[S&W Fan]

I agree. The Syracuse gun show that is scheduled After the ammo debacle takes affect is going to be a Cluster Fuck of epic proportions.

 

[Saltwater60]

There is a gun show at the hanburg fairgrounds on the weekend before this crap takes effect. I may go to buy a pistol.

 

[FrankenCub]

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! no background checks

I can't afford the amount of powder to charge them

 

[CaliberPlus]

I knew this was part of the CCIA. It sucks for sure.

I knew it was there, too. Up until NY becoming the POC the background check is not necessary as it is not allowed under federal law. It was mentioned on the NYS website.

I know a couple of people with cannons. It sounds like fun. Sad to think we may NEED one at some point in the near future. I wonder if the cannons at the historic site at Sackets Harbor still work or could be revamped to work.......

I might add this is not a backdoor registry. This is a full on assault of gun owners in this state. Thru ammo checks and the fact all FFL's are supposed to send in all records twice a year to the state. This goes so far beyond what the feds require.

 

[Defilade]

Government is and has been at war with it's people. Pick any topic!

 

[Acer-m14]

I can't afford the amount of powder to charge them

 

[CaliberPlus]

Somewhere I have an even more rudimentary recipe for BP. It should be another thread. I may have to go dig that out now......

 

[Vinson57]

I knew it was there, too. Up until NY becoming the POC the background check is not necessary as it is not allowed under federal law. It was mentioned on the NYS website.

I know a couple of people with cannons. It sounds like fun. Sad to think we may NEED one at some point in the near future. I wonder if the cannons at the historic site at Sackets Harbor still work or could be revamped to work.......

I might add this is not a backdoor registry. This is a full on assault of gun owners in this state. Thru ammo checks and the fact all FFL's are supposed to send in all records twice a year to the state. This goes so far beyond what the feds require.

It's part of an illegal conspiracy to deprive constitutional rights as data produced by the system will be shared with the feds, other states and disarmament organizations. The data collected is to produce people who need to be arrested and guns confiscated.

Sales of pistol ammo to address where there is no permit holder will be a red flag. 2nd red flag for that location will be that a felon is addressed there and will prompt search warrants. All the inter city rat houses full of baby mommas and no job criminals will be in the spotlight.

 

[FP1201]

Serious question, because I'm curious: Does registering as "seller of ammo" give you POC access to the SP bg check system?

I would think not: In order to conduct a NICS Check, the FFL Number must be entered as well as registered. The SP are calling it in for you, and only checking gun transfers against the FBI's system; ammunition and ostensibly Black Powder arms will have to use whatever State database they're drawing from to make a determination.
Federal Law, the one that created the NICS System ("Brady Bill", named for James Brady, Reagan's Press Secretary that caught a bullet to the head during the assignation attempt of President Reagan) specifically prohibited "non-guns" (black powder, air, etc.) ammunition, and any other function besides Long guns, Handguns, and Others (Frames, Receivers, etc.)

 

[Bustedknees]

Hope you're all ready for the next ammo shortage. Runnings had a big crowd this morning. The sales rep said it was going to be a mad house until the deadline.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Hope you're all ready for the next ammo shortage. Runnings had a big crowd this morning. The sales rep said it was going to be a mad house until the deadline.

Why do I picture Mr. Burns on the Simpsons tapping his finger tips together " E X C E L L E N T, It's all going to plan. "

 

[Deplorable Me]

A bit of a run on ammo lately in NY.

 

[Vapor]

Oh no, so terrible I left NY.

 

[Saltwater60]

Hope you're all ready for the next ammo shortage. Runnings had a big crowd this morning. The sales rep said it was going to be a mad house until the deadline.

I’m going to buy a gun but I’m set on ammo.

 

[Willyone]

Hope you're all ready for the next ammo shortage. Runnings had a big crowd this morning. The sales rep said it was going to be a mad house until the deadline.

I went to Runnings (Clay, NY) early last week to pick up some .380. It was just me and two others in the gun dept. I was surprised at the lack of activity, considering 9/13 is creeping up on us. Girl employee walked me up to the checkout, we chatted a bit on the way and she said the peeps in the gun dept were not at all looking forward to 9/13.

Shooters, like most on this site prolly won't bitch much while at the store if/when they go to buy ammo because they know what's coming. But I expect the hunters, many/most who won't be aware of 9/13, some will bitch up a storm.

NYS is an ugly place in too many ways.

 

[ManualF150]

I went to Runnings (Clay, NY) early last week to pick up some .380. It was just me and two others in the gun dept. I was surprised at the lack of activity, considering 9/13 is creeping up on us. Girl employee walked me up to the checkout, we chatted a bit on the way and she said the peeps in the gun dept were not at all looking forward to 9/13.

Shooters, like most on this site prolly won't bitch much while at the store if/when they go to buy ammo because they know what's coming. But I expect the hunters, many/most who won't be aware of 9/13, some will bitch up a storm.

NYS is an ugly place in too many ways.

Give it a year, and it will become "normal".

Just like the semi-auto purchase requirement of having a permit.

When the semi-auto purchase requirement went into place, a few people were in an uproar. Now it's forgotten for the most part.

Then the current ammo registration information. People didn't like that.

But now it's "normal".

Don't worry, this is the new "normal" coming up in a few days....