Liberty Safe providing combinations to the Feds!

[S&W Fan]

I agree that buying Crap from china as little as possible is Always a good thing but , just because products are made here in the US it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are any better quality, especially by today’s throw away standards. Fuck Liberty safes, They’ve committed political suicide and will hopefully suffer for it.

 

[subsonic]

And for the matter, I'm curious and will have to look into this, can the tumblers (combo) be changed after purchase by you or even a locksmith?

Yes of course, and people have done that.

Only Safe Co. I ever even thought about using:

American Gun Safes & Vault Doors! Affordably Higher Security

Sturdy Gun Safe manufactures gun safes, pistol safes and vault doors sold direct at discounted pricing. Thicker steel, real fireproofing and custom options, for less!

www.sturdysafe.com

All the Twitter outrage at Liberty for following industry practice of storing codes, yet it is very interesting, that Sturdy Safe added this to their FAQ:

Frequently Asked Questions About Gun Safes

Frequently asked questions about gun safes regarding moving, shipping, installing, etc.

www.sturdysafe.com

Do you store the combination?
Yes, we store a coded version of your combination number. You are welcome to request we don't or change the combo yourselves with the change keys given with every safe and vault. We DON'T GIVE THE CODE TO ANYONE BUT THE ORIGINAL OWNER. Even by warrant. There is no guarantee the combination on file is accurate or that we will have it. Older Sturdy Safes will not have stored codes. It is the buyers responsibility to remember the code.

Which was not in their FAQ or on their website anywhere days ago before this happened to Liberty Safe: https://archive.ph/M4KyM
So they also weren't advertising that they had the codes, and they had no claim about not giving the code to law enforcement before this. So no claim about what they would have done or have done in the past, and they also don't say anything about what they'd do if they got a subpoena; I don't think they've had time to think this through. In all likelihood it's just Liberty's bigger marketshare that this hit them instead of another company, including Sturdy Safe.

Charlie Kirk shared this on Twitter:
Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like:
Raphael Warnock in GA
John Fetterman in PA
Mandela Barnes in WI
Mark Kelly in AZ
Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, was a founding partner of Monomoy and donated $4,600 to Obama for America.
And we’re supposed to be surprised they betrayed their customers to the FBI as quickly as humanly possible?

Yikes. I wouldn't ignore that but obviously political leanings of corporate people can't dictate all our purchases or there would be little left to buy. The fact is that most rich finance people are woke lefties and they are all elites.

I agree that buying Crap from china as little as possible is Always a good thing but , just because products a red made here in the US it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are any better quality, especially by today’s throw away standards.

Never said otherwise but I will buy American-made crap over Chinese crap as much as I can afford.

 

[Cavalry]

Put your dildos in your safe and your guns in that other location that looks like normal things in your house. Fake walls, double purpose desk, etc..

I was thinking of this yesterday. If one was in the position to be raided and had fuck you money, walk in vault with a safe inside, with a safe inside with dildos inside.
As far as covert storage there are a couple trains of thought. One its to have a safe with some junkers in it to satisfy them. If they find nothing they will look harder. Dogs, thermal imaging, ground penetrating radar and whatever other cool shit they have.

 

[subsonic]

I was thinking of this yesterday. If one was in the position to be raided and had fuck you money, walk in vault with a safe inside, with a safe inside with dildos inside.
As far as covert storage there are a couple trains of thought. One its to have a safe with some junkers in it to satisfy them. If they find nothing they will look harder. Dogs, thermal imaging, ground penetrating radar and whatever other cool shit they have.

Do you see why the FBI is so happy now? The entire conversation is a misdirection. Rage at a safe company giving codes to a safe the FBI could already get in. As far as I know he hasn't been charged with any gun crimes. I'm sure they'll use his gun ownership to try to make him look scary, but what is hiding the guns even supposed to accomplish? Bail conditions would probably require him to surrender weapons, but otherwise, what is the point about the safe here? He should not even have been searched or arrested in the first place! The safe is irrelevant and doesn't help here.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Can't Liberty Safes just tell the FBI that they lost their access codes in a boating accident? It's a great excuse for most everything.

 

[Steal2B]

This is an unpleasant surprise and newsworthy for anyone that owns a Liberty safe.

Important Info - If You Own a Liberty Safe, Get Rid of It - Company Provides Govt Access Codes to All Their Products - The Last Refuge

This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes. As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[Steal2B]

To me, what is even more concerning is the cops disabling security cameras on the homeowners property, preventing anyone from witnessing their actions, and even going so far as to cutting off the internet service during the raid.

Much more concerning, in fact.

 

[Vinson57]

A liberty safe is best used now as a bud light refrigerator with no need to lock it and no need to drink it.

 

[livingston]

7-8 cars to look at one safe

 

[Dr. Evil]

Liberty Unsafe.

 

[Acer-m14]

here ya go ..

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Cavalry]

Dont get me wrong, I just scoured marketplace for panic buyers as I have the means of moving a safe easily.

Liberty buys locks from S&G, nothing special. S&G makes drop-in mechanical locks for a couple hundred that are as analog as fuck. Its a low to mid level safe based on security standards. No one should be surprised they were shit.

 

[Cooolone]

Yes, well, REAL Safe's aren't cheap... And I'm not talking about these dates for toys! Lol

Definitely interesting that they would disable any internal cameras at the home... How? And more so, why? When searches are you not allowed to be present and observe? If they aren't doing anything wrong then what are they afraid of in being surveiled? What law prevents it as long as it doesn't interfere with the search!?!? If I was home I would most certainly be recording everything with my phone!

Interesting...

 

[livingston]

Report: Liberty Safe Parent Company Donated Nearly Half a Million Dollars to Gun-Control Democrats​

Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk used a post on X to report that FEC filings show Liberty Safe’s parent company donated over $400,000 to gun-control Democrats.

Report: Liberty Safe Parent Company Gave $400K+ to Gun-Control Dems

Charlie Kirk used a post on X to report that FEC filings show Liberty Safe's parent company donated over $400,000 to gun control Democrats.

www.breitbart.com

 

[spat]

Screw getting rid of it. That's money already spent, you're not hurting the company. Just change out the electronic lock for a dial combination lock.

I see a business opportunity for aftermarket electronic locks that do not have a backdoor.

 

[Celt]

Report: Liberty Safe Parent Company Gave $400K+ to Gun-Control Dems

Charlie Kirk used a post on X to report that FEC filings show Liberty Safe's parent company donated over $400,000 to gun control Democrats.

www.breitbart.com

 

[S&W Fan]

It’s made the national news

Gun safe company hit with backlash for providing FBI with code to customer's safe

Popular gun safe company Liberty Safe is facing backlash after the company admitted to sharing a customer's safe password with law enforcement; it has since changed its policies.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Vinson57]

What is missing from the whole story was its probable the FBI told liberty it was the safe belonging to a J6 suspect and that made liberty move at lightspeed.

All corporations when they recruit and hire for high level positions requiring a college degree end up with demonrat leftists useful idiots of the commies type people.

Just walk around in the parking lot for EVs, german cars etc... and what bumper stickers are on the cars and also notice a complete lack of anyone with an American Flag.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

What is missing from the whole story was its probable the FBI told liberty it was the safe belonging to a J6 suspect and that made liberty move at lightspeed.

All corporations when they recruit and hire for high level positions requiring a college degree end up with demonrat leftists useful idiots of the commies type people.

Just walk around in the parking lot for EVs, german cars etc... and what bumper stickers are on the cars and also notice a complete lack of anyone with an American Flag.

That's an angle I thought about and haven't heard any of the "influencers" talk about. Liberty may very well have wanted to quickly aid the FBI in fear that they would be associated with the J6 suspect owning their product. Similar to how when a mass shooting happens they demonize the maker of the gun. So in other words, optics. Being that the overwhelming majority of Liberty's customers are most likely gun owners, the should have known better though. The gun grabbers aren't buying their safes!

As far as who to be angry with. We can be angry at both Liberty AND the Feds. Big difference being that we can actually affect one. Good luck with the other.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Interesting second video. Whoever's property that was also needed another camera in a different location to pick up their rear tags as none of those vehicles had a front plate!

 

[Saltwater60]

So what I'm hearing is file down your serial numbers....

I guess but they will get into it one way or another if they want to or need to. They will beat it or call a locksmith.
The serial number is there for you if you forget it as many probably do.

 

[S&W Fan]

I guess but they will get into it one way or another if they want to or need to. They will beat it or call a locksmith.
The serial number is there for you if you forget it as many probably do.

Of course they’re going to get into Any safe if they really want to. That’s Not the point at all. There is no sense making it easy for them and the company that sells you said safe has absolutely no right in aiding and abetting the invasion of someone’s privacy.

 

[Bustedknees]

Screw getting rid of it. That's money already spent, you're not hurting the company. Just change out the electronic lock for a dial combination lock.

They have that info when they build them.

 

[dwa12479]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

Its the principle behind it thats upsetting. Liberty sells products that are supposed to keep your items safe and secure, folding like a cheap suit to the FBI doesn't exactly go along with that.

 

[dwa12479]

No warrant, straight up handed FBI the requested info. That's the fail that bothers me. I cant stand Apple but at least Apple fought their requests.

The situation with Apple was a little different though. They couldn't access the single device without building a backdoor into their software which would affect EVERY device of theirs in circulation.

 

[SonOfSun]

Its the principle behind it thats upsetting. Liberty sells products that are supposed to keep your items safe and secure, folding like a cheap suit to the FBI doesn't exactly go along with that.

You mean people want safes that do safe things? Never would have guessed lol!

 

[FP1201]

I find it ironic but not surprising that a company that caters to Gun Owners would be owned by those supporting/restricting guns and their ownership.... "Contribute" to the Election of a bunch of Democrats in/running for Congress, tell them that "everyone needs to lock up their guns in Safes." and it just so happens WE sell Safes.

 

[kev74]

Probably a good time to buy a used safe.

 

[Bustedknees]

Not sure what you meant.

Back doors and company policies aside, I don't have a lot of faith in any electronic lock not to fail when I need it most - especially if it's the only means of entry.

No back door to an aftermarket S&G analog dial lock that you can set yourself. No batteries to worry about. No EMP worries. No snitches to worry about.

Mine came with a combination lock, Liberty supplied me with the numbers to open it. I doubt they burned their records and info.
I'm not sure how one would go about changing the combo. If I hire the job out, then a third party has my combination.
At this point I hope they take a hit like Budweiser has, then they can send me an apology and a new lock with numbers I create.