Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip

[holdover]

You can't say that you believe Hamas uses civilians as human shields while at the same time say there is no proof that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

Thats not what Im saying. What Im saying is Isreal can target any point on the map and say tunnel or leader and justify it. Theres no way to verify .
All We have is the word of an enraged pissed off nation thats looking for some payback . The Mossad wrote the book on dirty tricks Of course I would have doubts .

 

[Dr. Evil]

no. Im saying Hillery clinton would justify just about anything , Not comparing her Israel. at least thats what i meant anyway.

I dont totally condemn Israel for killing civilians. Hamas did this to themselves . They set the presedent, they knew the repercussions but at what point does it end? or doesn't it?

You didn't answer post 1709. There is your answer.

 

[holdover]

You didn't answer post 1709. There is your answer.

????

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thats not what Im saying.

Yes, you're saying exactly that, you just don't realize. Go enlist in the IDF if you want verification that barbaric scumbags that have a history of doing just that are doing just that. I'm good based on their history that they are.

 

[Dr. Evil]

????

 

[holdover]

Yes, you're saying exactly that, you just don't realize. Go enlist in the IDF if you want verification that barbaric scumbags that have a history of doing just that are doing just that. I'm good based on their history that they are.

no Im not. the problem is that can be used to hit anything anytime they want . without verification sky is the limit . What targets cant they hit? tell me?

 

[holdover]

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Oh Ok , I didnt know what you were referring to .

I would continue until the threat was eliminated

 

[Dr. Evil]

no Im not. the problem is that can be used to hit anything anytime they want . without verification sky is the limit . What targets cant they hit? tell me?

It's an imperfect world. BTW, you never answered my question. What would the Israeli military be hitting right now if Hamas didn't do what they did October 7th?

 

[spat]

Well if you trust any side in a war , your a moron. Its a war. both sides have reasons to lie. and Im justified to ask

You think our own goverment hadnt lied to us about our wars? Fucking really?

Oh, I'm sure all sides lie about things.

But let's compare shall we.

Hamas claims Isreal bombed a hospital when it turns out it was one of their own missiles.

Isreal claims all the babies were beheaded when it turns out only some of them were, and others burned alive.

So, yea, I'll take Isreal over Hamas when it comes down to a "he said/she said".

 

[Phazer]

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Before the founding of the modern state of Israel, "palestine" was the Middle Eastern region to where the Jews from Europe went to settle.

Palestine was a geographic region, not a country.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Oh Ok , I didnt know what you were referring to .

I would continue until the threat was eliminated

Bingo. So why did you ask at what point do you call it even when you already knew the answer? This is why it is hard having a discussion with you sometimes.

 

[spat]

no. Im saying there is no way to know if a leader was present in the camp ,

It doesn't actually matter if one was actually present or not.

What matters is if Isreal had reason to believe one would be.

Or, not even a leader. I would expect Hamas is probably using at least some of those camps as living quarters for their fighters.

Maybe Isreal has drone surveillance of people from the camps coming and going to the Hamas tunnels.

That's probably enough justification to bomb it right there.

 

[Dr. Evil]

OK, let's try this. Let's say you are a parent of a teenage girl. Let's also say the teenage girl has been molested by a neighbor. Not once, but multiple times over multiple years but has never been punished for doing such. Now, let's say your teenage girl says it happened again. Do you tell her, "Sorry honey, you could just be saying that. I wasn't there so I don't know for sure it really happened." I hope to G-d you wouldn't.

 

[spat]

no. Im saying Hillery clinton would justify just about anything , Not comparing her Israel. at least thats what i meant anyway.

I dont totally condemn Israel for killing civilians. Hamas did this to themselves . They set the presedent, they knew the repercussions but at what point does it end? or doesn't it?

There are only a couple ways for it to ever end.

Either:


1. The entire Iranian senior government and cultural leaders are removed and *a lot* of Hamas is killed.

2. Every single Hamas operative anywhere is killed.

3. Isreal ceases to exist.


I find 1 & 2 acceptable outcomes. I think it would be a disaster *for the US* to allow #3 to happen.

The only other option is for this murder stalemate to continue forever and civilians on both sides to keep dying in bulk.

 

[Acer-m14]

wooops ..

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

were just military places back then i guess ..

yeah right ..

in WARs people die .. good people and bad people ..

its a FACT of WAR ..

don't like it .. then do not start one ..

 

[spat]

Before the founding of the modern state of Israel, "palestine" was the Middle Eastern region to where the Jews from Europe went to settle.

Palestine was a geographic region, not a country.

Calling yourself a Palestinian is like calling yourself a Mediterranean.

The people who call themselves Palestinians today are the people who have been kicked out of every Arab country because nobody wants them.

It might have something to do with all the assassinations, coups, and revolutions they attempt.

 

[spat]

Oh Ok , I didnt know what you were referring to .

I would continue until the threat was eliminated

And if that threat was 250,000 fighters hiding among 1.75 million hostages ?

 

[spat]

no. Im saying there is no way to know if a leader was present in the camp ,

No way for *you* to know.

To claim it as a war crime, you have to claim that *Isreal* had *no reason to believe* one was there.

Which is also not something you would be able to do.

Once the dust settles, and there is a victor to the conflict, they can then go over what intelligence was available to the decision makers who ordered the strike.

*that's* how war works.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[holdover]

It's an imperfect world. BTW, you never answered my question. What would the Israeli military be hitting right now if Hamas didn't do what they did October 7th?

I guess nothing.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I guess nothing.

Again, bingo.

 

[holdover]

Oh, I'm sure all sides lie about things.

But let's compare shall we.

Hamas claims Isreal bombed a hospital when it turns out it was one of their own missiles.

Isreal claims all the babies were beheaded when it turns out only some of them were, and others burned alive.

So, yea, I'll take Isreal over Hamas when it comes down to a "he said/she said".

Israel has never lied , nor have they committed any war crimes, Genocide is justifiable. How old are you? They attacked one of our own ships to bring the US into the war back in the 60's.

I dont believe either side unless I have some evidence . Call me insane.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Israel has never lied , nor have they committed any war crimes, Genocide is justifiable. How old are you? They attacked one of our own ships to bring the US into the war back in the 60's.

I dont believe either side unless I have some evidence . Call me insane.

1. How did you get he said Israel has never lied?
2. You are insane. Hey, you gave me permission.

BTW, I'll see my niece who lives in Israel on Sunday. She and her husband are here for a few weeks. I'll make sure to tell her when she gets back to have the IDF pm you with what they've got.

 

[holdover]

Again, bingo.

They have every right to defend themselves, even a little payback too. I dont condemn them for that at all .

 

[Dr. Evil]

They have every right to defend themselves, even a little payback too. I dont condemn them for that at all .

I wouldn't even look at it as payback. It is the law of survival.

 

[holdover]

1. How did you get he said Israel has never lied?
2. You are insane. Hey, you gave me permission.

That seems to be his position.

maybe a little. but I need a little more evidence than their word, I would ask nothing less from Hamas either.

 

[holdover]

I wouldn't even look at it as payback. It is the law of survival.

you think Hamas can destroy Israel? Can ya clarify a bit?

 

[Dr. Evil]

That seems to be his position.

maybe a little. but I need a little more evidence than their word

These were his words. "Oh, I'm sure all sides lie about things." Not sure how you extrapolated from that that Israel has never lied.

 

[Dr. Evil]

you think Hamas can destroy Israel? Can ya clarify a bit?

I'm just saying that Israel isn't doing what are doing as payback. They are doing it to survive. Can Hamas destroy Israel? How long did it take them to kill thousands of people on October 7th? If Israel is passive, yes, over time I believe they can and will. They basically preach that very thing.

 

[Dr. Evil]