Iran Attacking Israel

[FrankenCub]

Iran has the capability to launch an unconventional EMP attack.

They very likely are an unofficial nuclear power. They have ballistic missiles.

They might not have intercontinental ICBMs but they might not need to. They can use medium range ballistic missiles in a "club K " type of launcher as a delivery method launched from a commercial vessel.

https://roe.ru/esp/catalog/marina-de-guerra/armas-de-la-nave/klab-k/

Think outside the box. It's the same failure that led assholes with box cutters to change the world.

Think of if you were Iran what would you do to level the playing field.


Launch a few coordinated offshore medium range ballistic missile EMPS from off the Atlantic, Gulf, Caribbean, Pacific from commerical ships and then scuttle them. It would be the black swan lightning bolt out of the blue

Well, we took out 3 of their ballistic missiles last night. Makes an amazing looking explosion above the atmosphere...

 

[holdover]

why not? What could go wrong?

Because he might say we are now going to attack China and Russia.

 

[FrankenCub]

 

[Saltwater60]

Do you really think that the events in the middle east won't affect us here ?

Do you think the events in Ukraine haven't either ?


Florida may be a long ways away for a garden hose.

But everywhere in earth is an hour away by ICBM.

Maybe you think California is a long ways from NY too. Until Newsome comes up with some new gun control that Hochul just won't be out done by.

Correct. The Middle East hates us and the more power they gain the more they will send their scum here to attack us or send the real forces here.
It’s a hard call and I don’t want to be the world police as we’ve made mistakes but I’m with you and ignoring this is t the way to go. Allowing this to happen isn’t good for anyone and honestly if ideal falls the entire Middle East could fall and then Asia. Then it will essentially be a few EU countries and Canada with us against nearly all other countries in the world. Africa is becoming a Muslim terrorist hotbed as well.

 

[FrankenCub]

Lmao....

 

[holdover]

So was Israels attack against an Iranian embassy .

 

[stokes]

So was Israels attack against an Iranian embassy

It wasnt the actual embassy, it was a building in the compound that was being used for military purposes

 

[holdover]

It wasnt the actual embassy, it was a building in the compound that was being used for military purposes

It was their sleeping quarters on the embassy compound. Iranian soil. If Iran or some else was stupid enough to bomb oour embassy compound the US would have something to say about it. Honestly, I dont know why everyone wants to give them a pass when its clearly a breech of international law . Israel is going to play the victim card when it illegally bombed an embassy in a foreign country. In any case Iran responded to the attack. We would have done the same only worse.

 

[kev74]

 

[spat]

Wait... didn't we create the problem of making ourselves oil dependent on our own?

We'll fit it.

Not sold.

Yes, it would be nice if we were completely independent from all other nations

But, we aren't.

And globalization means that problem is getting worse.

So, until we *aren't* dependent on chucklefucks in the middle east for oil, only a fool would say none of that stuff affects us.

And, before oil was the lifeblood of the global economy, nobody *did* care what they did over there.

Once we have a good alternative to it, nobody will again.

But, we live today, when major problems in the mideast east *do* cause major problems over here.

If you're saying we should kick out oil addiction for security reasons, I wholeheartedly agree.

If you're denying that we *have* an oil addiction today, you're part of the problem.

 

[spat]

Was reading an article a few years back talking about the possibility of a ship based missal off the coast being able to deliver an emp from them since they don’t have the ability to do it from within their own borders. A simple cargo ship with a basic launcher hidden among the containers.

There is nothing simple about that.

If it were that simple, the Soviets wouldn't have spent all that time building missile silos in Cuba.

They would have just rotated some "cargo ships" through the port in Havana.

 

[tirwin1]

It was their sleeping quarters on the embassy compound. Iranian soil. If Iran or some else was stupid enough to bomb oour embassy compound the US would have something to say about it. Honestly, I dont know why everyone wants to give them a pass when its clearly a breech of international law . Israel is going to play the victim card when it illegally bombed an embassy in a foreign country. In any case Iran responded to the attack. We would have done the same only worse.

So it's payback for when the Iranians attacked an Israeli embassy years ago.

Israel didn't "widen" this war. The Iranians have essentially been at war with Israel for decades using proxies and asymmetric strategies. To claim the Israelis crossed some sort of sacred line is laughable.

How should the Israelis respond? Not sure. I view the missile attack as a rather impotent gesture by a regime trying to save face. I don't think it impressed many people especially after shooting their wad and then saying "we're done". But now the Israeli government might have to save face. They should probably focus on eliminating the vermin in Gaza before doing anything to Iran.

 

[tirwin1]

Yes, it would be nice if we were completely independent from all other nations

But, we aren't.

And globalization means that problem is getting worse.

So, until we *aren't* dependent on chucklefucks in the middle east for oil, only a fool would say none of that stuff affects us.

And, before oil was the lifeblood of the global economy, nobody *did* care what they did over there.

Once we have a good alternative to it, nobody will again.

But, we live today, when major problems in the mideast east *do* cause major problems over here.

If you're saying we should kick out oil addiction for security reasons, I wholeheartedly agree.

If you're denying that we *have* an oil addiction today, you're part of the problem.

The US, due to fracking, has the ability to be essentially energy independent. Due to some technical details regarding the nature of the oil obtained domestically and what our refineries are built to process we still need to import some oil. We don't really need middle east oil and can tell that region adios if we want to get serious about true independence.

 

[spat]

Iran has the capability to launch an unconventional EMP attack.

They very likely are an unofficial nuclear power. They have ballistic missiles.

They might not have intercontinental ICBMs but they might not need to. They can use medium range ballistic missiles in a "club K " type of launcher as a delivery method launched from a commercial vessel.

https://roe.ru/esp/catalog/marina-de-guerra/armas-de-la-nave/klab-k/

Think outside the box. It's the same failure that led assholes with box cutters to change the world.

Think of if you were Iran what would you do to level the playing field.


Launch a few coordinated offshore medium range ballistic missile EMPS from off the Atlantic, Gulf, Caribbean, Pacific from commerical ships and then scuttle them. It would be the black swan lightning bolt out of the blue

Every nuclear power in the world would know *exactly* who launched before the Vapor trail from the launch had dissipated. Nuclear weapons have a distinctive signature when detonated.

Iran would be a glass parking lot before they got news of their success.

And that's *if* they were able to launch to the correct location and altitude to create an EMP.


I am *far* more concerned about nukes getting smuggled across our southern border and delivered by Uhaul than I am an EMP.

Half a dozen in major cities would devastate us just as bad in the short term.

 

[spat]

So was Israels attack against an Iranian embassy .

So was the Oct 7th attack by the Iranian Hamas brigade.

Hamas and Hezbollah are defacto irregular arms of the Iranian military.

 

[spat]

Because he might say we are now going to attack China and Russia.

It's Biden, he'll probably declare war on the Ottoman Empire over it.

 

[spat]

Well, we took out 3 of their ballistic missiles last night. Makes an amazing looking explosion above the atmosphere...

So, we get to test our stuff in a real world environment, that's good.

But, *they* got valuable data about how we shoot down their missiles, that's not so good.

Overall, I think they probably learned more than we did from the encounter.

 

[SomeSoldier]

So, we get to test our stuff in a real world environment, that's good.

But, *they* got valuable data about how we shoot down their missiles, that's not so good.

Overall, I think they probably learned more than we did from the encounter.

I have a suspicion this was a probe attack.

 

[spat]

The US, due to fracking, has the ability to be essentially energy independent. Due to some technical details regarding the nature of the oil obtained domestically and what our refineries are built to process we still need to import some oil. We don't really need middle east oil and can tell that region adios if we want to get serious about true independence.

We could supply all our own oil (and we did under Trump) But that is not enough to be independent from the global oil market.

Because we require goods produced by many countries that have no prayer of being independent from middle eastern oil, and we don't have the capacity to supply them all.

We *should* be striving for that, and the efforts of the "the planet is dying" green weenies are actually helpful in that regard, but we are a long way from there.

So, if we become energy independent, that's very helpful.

But until we can supply Europe and Asia too, or we stop buying their stuff, it's not enough.

 

[holdover]

So was the Oct 7th attack by the Iranian Hamas brigade.

Hamas and Hezbollah are defacto irregular arms of the Iranian military.

Then Israel is a proxy of the US.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I'm surprised congress hasn't started demanding funding for humanitarian aid to Tehran yet. They are probably very thirsty from firing all those weapons.

 

[stokes]

We would have done the same only worse.

Bullshit. How many times have Iranian backed thugs bombed the US Embassy in Iraq? As recently as Jan this year, Dec of 2023,March of 2022, just to name a couple and there were more throughout the years. We did nothing.They have never been repaid. Israel used precision bombing to take out what was being used as a military facility between the Iranian Embassy and an unused Canadian Embassy building, Why arent the Canadians bombing Israel? Iranian backed Hamas sent 5000+ missiles into Israeli civilian areas and you dont think they should wipe out Gaza? Iran just sent hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel and Israel shouldnt retaliate because you fuckin snowflakes say "they" will start WWIII? No, Iran just pulled the last straw and should be eliminated by all of us. Its not over as Iran says, Israel is just waiting til they dont have be so concerned with fending off Irans attack and the repercussions will be huge.

 

[stokes]

Then Israel is a proxy of the US.

No, Israel is an ally of the US, not some terrorist organization used by us to raise hell against our enemies. Hamas and Hezbolah have no function or purpose other than to attack Israel and have been doing it for decades.

 

[FrankenCub]

 

[stokes]

The US, due to fracking, has the ability to be essentially energy independent. Due to some technical details regarding the nature of the oil obtained domestically and what our refineries are built to process we still need to import some oil. We don't really need middle east oil and can tell that region adios if we want to get serious about true independence.

Fracking is only a small part our capability to become energy independent. Trump had us as close as we have ever been to being energy independent and it had nothing to do with fracking. Brandon killed all that on day one after he was installed into the White House.

 

[Phazer]

Do we want Iran's nuclear research facilities offline for a long time? If so, give Israel the bunker buster munitions they've requested. Israel now has the predicate to attack Iran's military installations subsequent to Iran's overt attack on the Israeli homeland.

Israel does not need to attack the Iranian people. Israel could now do the world a favor by crippling Iran's nuclear program.

 

[spat]

Then Israel is a proxy of the US.

Not remotely to the same extent.

Hamas literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from Teheran.

The leaders of Isreal are in Isreal. They are strongly influenced by the US, but they are independent.

The leaders of Hamas are *not* in Gaza. There is a direct chain of command leading to Iran.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

We don’t have to be dependent on any other countries. During WW2 and for a decade after, we supplied the world with everything.

 

[FrankenCub]

 

[Far king]

So what does the so called leader of the free world do? He capitulates to the bad guy again and turns his back on an ally.

FJB