Iran Attacking Israel

[tirwin1]

Fracking is only a small part our capability to become energy independent. Trump had us as close as we have ever been to being energy independent and it had nothing to do with fracking. Brandon killed all that on day one after he was installed into the White House.

Fracking accounts for roughly half our oil.

Hydraulic fracturing accounts for about half of current U.S. crude oil production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[FrankenCub]

So what does the so called leader of the free world do? He capitulates to the bad guy again and turns his back on an ally.

FJB

Did anyone expect any different? It's probably best that Israel can handle their selves. I'm sure they'll have no problem flattening specific targets on their own.

 

[holdover]

Not remotely to the same extent.

Hamas literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from Teheran.

The leaders of Isreal are in Isreal. They are strongly influenced by the US, but they are independent.

The leaders of Hamas are *not* in Gaza. There is a direct chain of command leading to Iran.

Because the money and military advisors and aid we give Israel are different than the money and and military aid and visors they give to Hamas, Hezbollah. You know the old saying, ""those with the gold make the rules"" the direct chain of command are called advisors.

Ill re write this :

Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US


Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US

The leaders of Iran are in Iran. They are they are independent. but have strong influence.


By your own standards , You described Isreal as a proxy state of the US.


I dont like Arabs anymore than anyone else, What supersedes my emotions, is the truth. I dont care if I like them or not , has nothing to do with it . I look at things from the other side of the chessboard as my enemy's see them .

If Isreal sees it that way why didnt they launch a full scale attack against Iran instead of attacking gaza? WTF were they thinking? six months later they attack an embassy that requires a military response to provoke the US into attacking Iran for them , Nice allies.

 

[holdover]

So it's payback for when the Iranians attacked an Israeli embassy years ago.

40 years ago? Not buying what your sellin.

 

[96coal449]

Israel is not an ally of the US. Their ally is fiat.

USS Liberty..... who remembers?

 

[holdover]

Israel is not an ally of the US. Their ally is fiat.

USS Liberty..... who remembers?

That was when they to tried to drag us into a war with Egypt.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Every nuclear power in the world would know *exactly* who launched before the Vapor trail from the launch had dissipated. Nuclear weapons have a distinctive signature when detonated.

Iran would be a glass parking lot before they got news of their success.

And that's *if* they were able to launch to the correct location and altitude to create an EMP.


I am *far* more concerned about nukes getting smuggled across our southern border and delivered by Uhaul than I am an EMP.

Half a dozen in major cities would devastate us just as bad in the short term.

Yes, if they can be examined. How would an airburst be examined after an EMP is generated and fries all electronics?

A good scene is in sum of all fears when the nuke goes off in Baltimore and they realize it was originated from the US.
I don't think that would work in my scenario I outlined

 

[stokes]

Fracking accounts for roughly half our oil.

Hydraulic fracturing accounts for about half of current U.S. crude oil production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

It accounts for half now. Because Biden shut down most of our production and future production by cancelling all the leases that Trump ok'ed

 

[spat]

Because the money and military advisors and aid we give Israel are different than the money and and military aid and visors they give to Hamas, Hezbollah. You know the old saying, ""those with the gold make the rules"" the direct chain of command are called advisors.

Ill re write this :

Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US


Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US

The leaders of Iran are in Iran. They are they are independent. but have strong influence.


By your own standards , You described Isreal as a proxy state of the US.


I dont like Arabs anymore than anyone else, What supersedes my emotions, is the truth. I dont care if I like them or not , has nothing to do with it . I look at things from the other side of the chessboard as my enemy's see them .

If Isreal sees it that way why didnt they launch a full scale attack against Iran instead of attacking gaza? WTF were they thinking? six months later they attack an embassy that requires a military response to provoke the US into attacking Iran for them , Nice allies.

There is a direct chain of command in Hamas to Teheran.

It's not "influence". It's "my commanding officer is in Teheran".

Netanyahu doesn't take orders from Biden. He may have to pay attention to what Biden says because the US us very influential, but ultimately Netanyahu doesn't have to follow Biden's orders.

Teheran's influence on Hamas is more like Biden's control of the USMC.

Those are not the same.

 

[spat]

Yes, if they can be examined. How would an airburst be examined after an EMP is generated and fries all electronics?

A good scene is in sum of all fears when the nuke goes off in Baltimore and they realize it was originated from the US.
I don't think that would work in my scenario I outlined

The military equipment that would do that is not susceptible to an EMP.

There are literally planes and satellites that are specifically designed to do that.

EMP doesn't work the way Hollywood portrays it. You'd be surprised what sorts of stuff would survive one.

 

[FrankenCub]

Because the money and military advisors and aid we give Israel are different than the money and and military aid and visors they give to Hamas, Hezbollah. You know the old saying, ""those with the gold make the rules"" the direct chain of command are called advisors.

Ill re write this :

Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US


Israel literally takes orders and gets their funding directly from the US

The leaders of Iran are in Iran. They are they are independent. but have strong influence.


By your own standards , You described Isreal as a proxy state of the US.


I dont like Arabs anymore than anyone else, What supersedes my emotions, is the truth. I dont care if I like them or not , has nothing to do with it . I look at things from the other side of the chessboard as my enemy's see them .

If Isreal sees it that way why didnt they launch a full scale attack against Iran instead of attacking gaza? WTF were they thinking? six months later they attack an embassy that requires a military response to provoke the US into attacking Iran for them , Nice allies.

Serious question, you don't think for a minute that without us standing behind Israel, Islam won't finish what Hitler started? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Islam wants.
They are seeing a Doberman with a little Pug standing in front of it.

 

[holdover]

Serious question, you don't think for a minute that without us standing behind Israel, Islam won't finish what Hitler started? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Islam wants.
They are seeing a Doberman with a little Pug standing in front of it.

Your probably right, but it aint our fight. and I dont want to spend Our blood and treasure fighting someone elses war. I dont have anything against the Jewish people.but the cards are stacked against them .

 

[Far king]

Did anyone expect any different? It's probably best that Israel can handle their selves. I'm sure they'll have no problem flattening specific targets on their own.

Israel can most certainly handle this mission by herself but that’s beside the point. Biden doesn’t even have the balls to say the U.S. supports them in their effort.

 

[holdover]

There is a direct chain of command in Hamas to Teheran.

It's not "influence". It's "my commanding officer is in Teheran".

Netanyahu doesn't take orders from Biden. He may have to pay attention to what Biden says because the US us very influential, but ultimately Netanyahu doesn't have to follow Biden's orders.

Teheran's influence on Hamas is more like Biden's control of the USMC.

Those are not the same.

A rose called by any other name is still a rose.

 

[Darth]

Yes, it would be nice if we were completely independent from all other nations

But, we aren't.

And globalization means that problem is getting worse.

So, until we *aren't* dependent on chucklefucks in the middle east for oil, only a fool would say none of that stuff affects us.

And, before oil was the lifeblood of the global economy, nobody *did* care what they did over there.

Once we have a good alternative to it, nobody will again.

But, we live today, when major problems in the mideast east *do* cause major problems over here.

If you're saying we should kick out oil addiction for security reasons, I wholeheartedly agree.

If you're denying that we *have* an oil addiction today, you're part of the problem.

We went from "there will be another Hitler!" to "It might be inconvenient" fairly quickly.

I'm willing to keep on that path.

 

[holdover]

Israel can most certainly handle this mission by herself but that’s beside the point. Biden doesn’t even have the balls to say the U.S. supports them in their effort.

Nah, he doesnt want to get embroiled with a full scale war at the moment, And who knows if they have plans to enter Ukraine this summer. Theres a lot on the plate there.

 

[tirwin1]

40 years ago? Not buying what your sellin.

You don't have to. The Israelis certainly remember. And they have every right to.

 

[tirwin1]

It accounts for half now. Because Biden shut down most of our production and future production by cancelling all the leases that Trump ok'ed

Move the goalposts much lol.

 

[Far king]

Nah, he doesnt want to get embroiled with a full scale war at the moment, And who knows if they have plans to enter Ukraine this summer. Theres a lot on the plate there.

All Biden would have to say is that he ( U. S.) condones Israel’s right to retaliate. That sends the message to Iran and the proxies that we are in support of Israel as opposed to condemning a counter strike thus hanging out an ally to dry and showing weakness on our side .

 

[FrankenCub]

Your probably right, but it aint our fight. and I dont want to spend Our blood and treasure fighting someone elses war. I dont have anything against the Jewish people.but the cards are stacked against them .

I get, I don't want to fight their war either. But I don't have a problem selling or giving them arms and training. Limited naval and air force engagement I'm also ok with.
I believe if Israel was left alone to exist, there would be zero issues over there.

Israel can most certainly handle this mission by herself but that’s beside the point. Biden doesn’t even have the balls to say the U.S. supports them in their effort.

Long term without the Doberman behind her Israel would be a bloodstain in the sand. Every Arab country will decend. Sunni, Shia, doesn't matter, just a different timeline to the same end.

 

[holdover]

All Biden would have to say is that he ( U. S.) condones Israel’s right to retaliate. That sends the message to Iran and the proxies that we are in support of Israel as opposed to condemning a counter strike thus hanging out an ally to dry and showing weakness on our side .

And if things go south? Iran has a military alliance with Russia , Who needs the headache? We got our hands full trying to arm Ukraine Israel, and Europe, We have the threat of China in the east. Im not defending traitor joe . theres a lot going on.I dont think he condemed it , just didnt support it.

 

[FrankenCub]

 

[RedBreast21]

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I think is was pretty clear the attack was coming after the embassy bombing and killing in Syria. Right? Or we ignoring that? lol

 

[Far king]

And if things go south? Iran has a military alliance with Russia , Who needs the headache? We got our hands full trying to arm Ukraine Israel, and Europe, We have the threat of China in the east. Im not defending traitor joe . theres a lot going on.I dont think he condemed it , just didnt support it.

Biden’s vocal support for Israel ended with the pro Hamas demonstrations flaring up all over the country and their threats to not vote for him in November.
With record low approval rating I’m sure the democrats are in damage control mode.

Russia is weakening and has its hands full in Ukraine, unless they deploy nukes but then of course they would be done as well.

 

[Jmac00]

Iran Officials Threaten US Not to Retaliate to Its Attack on Israel

The officials warned the United States not to intervene in the escalating conflict after Tehran launched hundreds of drones and missiles.

www.theepochtimes.com

so "lets be clear"

Iran can attack whomever it wants, but NO ONE should attack them back? Iran can slap you in the face, but you're not allowed to slap back, is that what they are saying?????

Oh it's on like Donkey Kong, Now, I'm all for a a dozen B52's make a run over Tehran, and drop a half million pounds of C-4 right on Iranian HQ.

Its time to take out Command and control, and level a few nuke plants while they're at it

 

[holdover]

Russia is weakening and has its hands full in Ukraine, unless they deploy nukes but then of course they would be done as well.

Ukraine is in a lot of trouble , The 25th airborne brigade just surrendered the other day for lack of food and ammo .But You know, its war, both sides lie.But I always say to watch the maps , The Russians have the upper hand now They are taking town after town and Ukis are falling back across the entire front.

 

[pjzwtl]

There is nothing simple about that.

If it were that simple, the Soviets wouldn't have spent all that time building missile silos in Cuba.

They would have just rotated some "cargo ships" through the port in Havana.

IDK technology has gone a long way since the Soviets. Simple maybe isn’t the best word but a launch platform on a cargo ship isn’t beyond the capability of even Iran. The only question is would they be insane enough to do it.

 

[spat]

And if things go south? Iran has a military alliance with Russia , Who needs the headache? We got our hands full trying to arm Ukraine Israel, and Europe, We have the threat of China in the east. Im not defending traitor joe . theres a lot going on.I dont think he condemed it , just didnt support it.

Ooh, an alliance with *Russia*. Throw North Korea in there too and they're not even a serious threat to France.

Russia is not the big bad that they used to be, their showing in Ukraine has proven that.

China is the only real long term threat we face.

We need to stop acting like we're scared of these pissant countries and make them act like they're scared of us.

It's Vietnam all over again.

"You can't shoot those SAM sites that are firing missiles at our planes, there might be Russian advisors there and we don't want to risk pissing them off".

--- "Why aren't the Russian advisors worried about shooting the F111 that certainly has Americans in it ? We absolutely *should* be pissed off about that.".


We should have treated it like Conoco Fields, instead we treated it like the three stooges.

 

[spat]

We went from "there will be another Hitler!" to "It might be inconvenient" fairly quickly.

I'm willing to keep on that path.

I never brought up Hitler. He was irrelevant to the situation. Just like in WWI, Europe was primed to explode.

If it hadn't been Arch Duke Ferdinand, or Hitler, it would have been some other event and some other cult leader.

Honestly we're *lucky* Hitler was the one who came to power, imagine how bad WWII would have been if they had a competent leader.

 

[spat]

IDK technology has gone a long way since the Soviets. Simple maybe isn’t the best word but a launch platform on a cargo ship isn’t beyond the capability of even Iran. The only question is would they be insane enough to do it.

They can certainly launch from a cargo ship, but concealing it is a different matter.

If they sail a cargo ship into the gulf of Mexico with ballistic missiles on the deck, you can bet we'd have something to say about it.

They would not only have to build a ship that could fire the missiles, they would have to disguise that ability, and keep the fact they built it secret.

That's a lot of heavy lifting.