New House Bill Allows Everyone To Carry In New York Except People From New York

[livingston]

New House Bill Allows Everyone To Carry In New York Except People From New York​

 

[Celt]

Unless you pay hundreds of dollars and take 2 days off of work to attend MANDATORY training.

 

[Grimscale]

I've been saying that all along.
The CCRA requires that you have to follow State Law.
Well, our State says you can't even touch a pistol without a State permit. So how does this bill get around that requirement?

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I've been saying that all along.
The CCRA requires that you have to follow State Law.
Well, our State says you can't even touch a pistol without a State permit. So how does this bill get around that requirement?

It doesn’t. Get “around” it. What I understand, He is saying all current carry permit holder’s in NY would legally carry in the other 49 States. It’s not written to give non carry permitted people the right to carry. Now, I assume, People in other States that don’t need to go through all the hoops to get a permit, would need some documentation or possibly their State driver’s license, would be adequate. NY would gum up the works even if passed.

 

[Cooolone]

Ho hum... Yawn!

Nothin ado about nothin...

Never happens in NY!

Should Congress pass a national Reciprocity, NY will find ways to obfuscate, block, bury the ability to exercise your 2A Rights! Bank on it!

The training component of being able to carry, should be challenged! Bruen made clear, that two tiered encumbrances put in place to Defacto restrict 2A Rights is unconstitutional! If you don't need training in order to Vote, then requiring it in order to exercise 2A is not valid! Unconstitutional... Not sure why this wasn't immediately challenged post Bruen!

But is NY... NY NY...

 

[spat]

Unless you pay hundreds of dollars and take 2 days off of work to attend MANDATORY training.

Or, just get a non-resident permit from any other state....

It says "if you can carry in any state, you can carry in every state" It doesn't require that permit to be from your home state.

The only "home state" provision is that if your home state doesn't require a permit at all (constitutional carry), then you can carry in all states too.


This would completely gut the entire NY permit scheme, since nobody is going to jump through any more hoops than the easiest state requires.

 

[Celt]

Or, just get a non-resident permit from any other state....

It says "if you can carry in any state, you can carry in every state" It doesn't require that permit to be from your home state.

The only "home state" provision is that if your home state doesn't require a permit at all (constitutional carry), then you can carry in all states too.


This would completely gut the entire NY permit scheme, since nobody is going to jump through any more hoops than the easiest state requires.

Hmm, buy a piece of property in a CC state. Sounds like a good idea.

 

[spat]

Hmm, buy a piece of property in a CC state. Sounds like a good idea.

Don't even need to do that.

Just get a non-resident permit. There are tons of easy ones out there.

PA takes like an hour last I knew.

Some you can do mail order.

 

[Koz]

Or, just get a non-resident permit from any other state....

It says "if you can carry in any state, you can carry in every state" It doesn't require that permit to be from your home state.

The only "home state" provision is that if your home state doesn't require a permit at all (constitutional carry), then you can carry in all states too.


This would completely gut the entire NY permit scheme, since nobody is going to jump through any more hoops than the easiest state requires.

Brilliant! Right up until the gestapo in Albany figures out how to once again skru with their subjects.

 

[Robin]

New York has been ignoring, violating a whole Amendment for decades and decades, what's a little law to the tyranny that rules this shithole of totalitarianism.
Robin ,

 

[ManualF150]

New York has been ignoring, violating a whole Amendment for decades and decades, what's a little law to the tyranny that rules this shithole of totalitarianism.
Robin ,

Totally agree.

 

[Parzival]

Don't even need to do that.

Just get a non-resident permit. There are tons of easy ones out there.

PA takes like an hour last I knew.

Some you can do mail order.

In PA you need to have a permit from your home state. Not sure about other states that do non-resident permits, I only have PA and NY.

 

[Celt]

Lets hope this bill even passes.

 

[fresch]

Lets pass a bill to follow the constitution!

 

[Jsmegs77]

In PA you need to have a permit from your home state. Not sure about other states that do non-resident permits, I only have PA and NY.

NH does, or did, mail order non resident permits for $100.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I'm kinda shocked NY hasn't tried to impose restrictions on anyone carrying in any state.

 

[Jsmegs77]

I'm kinda shocked NY hasn't tried to impose restrictions on anyone carrying in any state.

Sshh!!! Letty is listening! Some of us are still within spitting distance…

 

[jimc]

If this passes, I predict the CCIA Part 2 will include that you can carry anyplace you can now, but your firearm needs to be a bolt action handgun with a 3 round mag- because if magazine capacity can be restricted to 10, why not 3?

 

[FP1201]

ALL New Yorker's are criminals and thugs by the Legislatures thinking, perhaps it's time to justify those thoughts with gangster behavior?

 

[Pale Rider]

Florida permits are easy to get by mail if you have any kind of firearm training. They will send you an application to fill out, and a fingerprint card to take to your local PD to get processed. Have a passport photo taken at your local Walgreens or other place where they do them. Mail it back to them with a check, and in a few weeks, you will have your Florida permit.

 

[spat]

In PA you need to have a permit from your home state. Not sure about other states that do non-resident permits, I only have PA and NY.

Ahh, PA is out then.

There are several that don't have that requirement.

AZ requires a class, but has no requirement for you to have a home state permit.

Not sure if there is an online version of the class or not, it is all safety and legal theory, no actual gun handling required.

 

[pshift]

This is my surprised face...

 

[JRtraderny]

If this passes, I predict the CCIA Part 2 will include that you can carry anyplace you can now, but your firearm needs to be a bolt action handgun with a 3 round mag- because if magazine capacity can be restricted to 10, why not 3?

Actually I have a Savage Striker that fits that description so I'm all set !!

 

[Criticalt]

If this passes, I predict the CCIA Part 2 will include that you can carry anyplace you can now, but your firearm needs to be a bolt action handgun with a 3 round mag- because if magazine capacity can be restricted to 10, why not 3?

Well I WOULD 3D print one, but NY is one step ahead.

 

[Cooolone]

NY does not have a 2nd Amendment as part of its State Constitution... Just sayin...

Again, this bill will never succeed in this retched State! Some RINO's will pretend to support it only to disappear later down the line when they'd need to stand up and be counted!

NY is a lost cause! None of their (State) arguments hold validity! And it's malfeasance towards residents exercising their 2A Rights is well established and exhibited!

Nothing changing in our lifetime, or a dozen before us... Forget the future!

 

[byron]

NY does not have a 2nd Amendment as part of its State Constitution... Just sayin...

Again, this bill will never succeed in this retched State! Some RINO's will pretend to support it only to disappear later down the line when they'd need to stand up and be counted!

NY is a lost cause! None of their (State) arguments hold validity! And it's malfeasance towards residents exercising their 2A Rights is well established and exhibited!

Nothing changing in our lifetime, or a dozen before us... Forget the future!

• Article 2, Section 4 of the New York Civil Rights Law states that the right to bear arms cannot be infringed.

 

[OwnTheRide]

Ahh, PA is out then.

There are several that don't have that requirement.

AZ requires a class, but has no requirement for you to have a home state permit.

Not sure if there is an online version of the class or not, it is all safety and legal theory, no actual gun handling required.

I highly recommend the AZ permit. It's inexpensive, easy to obtain and renew, and has great coverage. AZ training requirements are very easy to meet and not state-specific:

N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:


1. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety or that uses instructors who are certified by the national rifle association.


2. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.


3. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.


4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.


5. Evidence of current military service or proof of honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.


6. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.


7. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.


8. Completion of any other firearms safety or training course or class that is conducted by a department of public safety approved or national rifle association certified firearms instructor.

Florida training requirements are similar - basically any NRA course, hunter safety course, or military training. The permit is more expensive than AZ, but it has a seven year expiration instead of five. It also has pretty decent coverage. The application is somewhat lengthy, and IIRC it required fingerprints while AZ did not.

 

[JRtraderny]

• Article 2, Section 4 of the New York Civil Rights Law states that the right to bear arms cannot be infringed.

 

[Acer-m14]

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been saying it for years ..

 

[subsonic]

In PA you need to have a permit from your home state. Not sure about other states that do non-resident permits, I only have PA and NY.

Correct. Utah, on the other hand, only requires a home-state permit for states that have reciprocity with Utah. Since New York doesn’t have reciprocity with anyone, you can get an Utah permit without a New York permit. I believe there’s places in PA that have Utah-compliant classes.