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It's 22 degrees here today, but I'm up north by the border.
.357 Revolvers
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It's 22 degrees here today, but I'm up north by the border.
Thermometer say "2" right now, and I'm not planning to go anywhere, but We have a Baby due tomorrow and I am her Sisters keeper, so she's going to spend a couple days with Pop.
I had a couple Bullet Traps and they were fun to use in the dead of Winter, but I gave them to a HS Rifle Team.
I had a couple Bullet Traps and they were fun to use in the dead of Winter, but I gave them to a HS Rifle Team.
Funny mention this.
The absolute most unreliable firearm I ever witnessed was my friends Colt 1911 Gold Cup Trophy, the one with the blue G10 grips.
Not only did it jam constantly, but it spit brass directly into your eyes. My friend had several burns from the brass.
He didn't want the hassle of sending his $1700 gun back to Colt, do he brought it to a local gunsmith. The smithy told him Colt 1911s are very ammunition sensitive, and told him to only use high quality JHP only.
My guy was more of a Winchester white box range ammo kinda dude.
He sold the gun to a local shop. The guy offered him $500 because my friend was honest about the guns issues. In the end he got $600 for a brand new gun he paid $1700 for a year prior. But, that's his thing.
Oddly enough, when he did use Underwood, Buffalo Bore, or Hornady FMJ, the Colt preformed near perfectly.....except for the brass in the eye thing. I told him how to fix that issue, but he was over the Colt obsession.
As far as the SB engine, I'm pretty sure it was a combination of out of spec parts. There was a reason it only had 54,000 miles on it I'd imagine. My buddy was the 4th known owner, with only 54,000 miles.....something was up.
Sometimes when engines are run real hot for far too long, weird warping can happen.
I still have the engine. I will eventually rebuild it, possibly for my 1971 K15 with a tired 208,000 mile 454 motor.
I'm way down south but also about 1,800ft ASL. Where I start my shift is 2,000ft ASL. It gets cold up here too. And windy. And foggy, very, very foggy.
Years ago I made a swap for an as new in the Box Colt Gold Cup and for this being Colt's top of the line pistol it was a shit show...Given enough 1911's through ones hands you learn a thing or two, so I was able to "correct" it's issues, but for fucks sake if this was the best they were turning out, it's no wonder why they went tits-up. Tangent: The Shop told me about a special ordered a SAA in .45 for a customer; came in with a .357 Barrel and when they called Colt, "It's a collectable and not supposed to be fired." was their excuse...."yea, send it back and we'll correct it."
I bought an Anaconda in '93 when they came out and while "slick" and sexy, the S&W M29 I had was a better revolver. I picked up a "new" King Cobra used as the previous owner didn't like it enough to cut the paid price by damn near half. Had to open it up and polish things as the trigger occasionally wouldn't reset without encouragement...accuracy, fit, finish, carry is good. smaller than the original, smaller stature shooters like it.
I have an affinity for Colts and own several, but many are not the quality and reliability their name was built on, perhaps CZ will straighten their shit out.
Having proper 1911 Tools makes precision work easy enough, learning craftsmanship takes years of practice and a fair number of mistakes, but the end is worth celebrating.
I bought an Anaconda in '93 when they came out and while "slick" and sexy, the S&W M29 I had was a better revolver. I picked up a "new" King Cobra used as the previous owner didn't like it enough to cut the paid price by damn near half. Had to open it up and polish things as the trigger occasionally wouldn't reset without encouragement...accuracy, fit, finish, carry is good. smaller than the original, smaller stature shooters like it.
I have an affinity for Colts and own several, but many are not the quality and reliability their name was built on, perhaps CZ will straighten their shit out.
Having proper 1911 Tools makes precision work easy enough, learning craftsmanship takes years of practice and a fair number of mistakes, but the end is worth celebrating.
@Vapor since you are familiar with the G19X here are some size comparison photos between a standard Glock 19 and a 3" S&W L Frame:
As you can see the two a quite comparable in size. The revolver style of grip makes the L Frame a little longer and a little taller but the shape of it means it prints far less. In fact the overall shape of revolvers are more organic and besides being a little more comfortable aginst tge body I find the 586 here conceals better than the G19 with its blocky and sharp outline. There is a significant weight penalty against the revolver however, nearly twice the weight.
However that is no little pocket revolver, that is a proper fighting sized gun there, that it conceals so well is really nice.
And while I in general would prefer the 15 rounds of 9mm, 7 rounds of .357 is certainly nothing to sneeze at and to ve honest against a single attacker I think the .357 is the more decisive piece. I find the revolver to be exceptionally accurate as well which on the other hand tempered by having to learn the long and heavy double action trigger pull bur this can be done with just a little practice.
In addition while I am not sure what provisions Ruger makes but on the Smith & Wesson the rear sight can be removed which exposes three threaded holes for the mounting of pretty much whatever sighting arrangement you might wish to include mounting options for red dots.
For instance there is a company that offers a full rear sight assembly replacement that has an RMR footprint milled into it and I think it even co-witnesses.
Taurus also has modles with provisions for mounting a red dot. The only fly in the ointment being holster compatibility.
As you can see the two a quite comparable in size. The revolver style of grip makes the L Frame a little longer and a little taller but the shape of it means it prints far less. In fact the overall shape of revolvers are more organic and besides being a little more comfortable aginst tge body I find the 586 here conceals better than the G19 with its blocky and sharp outline. There is a significant weight penalty against the revolver however, nearly twice the weight.
However that is no little pocket revolver, that is a proper fighting sized gun there, that it conceals so well is really nice.
And while I in general would prefer the 15 rounds of 9mm, 7 rounds of .357 is certainly nothing to sneeze at and to ve honest against a single attacker I think the .357 is the more decisive piece. I find the revolver to be exceptionally accurate as well which on the other hand tempered by having to learn the long and heavy double action trigger pull bur this can be done with just a little practice.
In addition while I am not sure what provisions Ruger makes but on the Smith & Wesson the rear sight can be removed which exposes three threaded holes for the mounting of pretty much whatever sighting arrangement you might wish to include mounting options for red dots.
For instance there is a company that offers a full rear sight assembly replacement that has an RMR footprint milled into it and I think it even co-witnesses.
Taurus also has modles with provisions for mounting a red dot. The only fly in the ointment being holster compatibility.
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
I never understood buying a revolver without a hammer. Looks like shit and totally kills using them for accurate plinking fun.
It's to prevent snagging on the draw, particularly for pocket carry. It's also an acknowledgement that in a defensive situation you are not going to be shooting single action anyways so a hammer spur is an extraneous feature. For deliberate, accurate fire the double action pull can be staged.
A "hammerless" revolver is a practical revolver.
Vapor
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I'm going to look at a Taurus and Rossi .357 tomorrow. They are under $200. I want one to just start getting some experience and for snake shot
I love all your suggestions but I'm still leaning sp101 or gp100 for my bigger purchase.
I love all your suggestions but I'm still leaning sp101 or gp100 for my bigger purchase.
You are a grown man and you do as you please, no one has any right to tell you what you should do with your money.
That said I will give you my very humble opinion:
Go have a look at those Tauruses, I don't poo-ppo that brand like some. If you like them then buy em. However I have always believed in Buy Once Cry Once.
If the Ruger is what you desire then I would save the Taurus money and put it towards the Ruger, the "getting used to xxx" is something we tell ourselves to talk ourselves into a deal. I say get what you really want right off the bat.
In regards to the two Rugers-
The SP101 is a fine, good looking gun but it never made any sense to me. It's signiificantly bigger and heavier than a J Frame but still only offers a 5 shot cylinder. The 6 shot Colt Cobra, or any of the Kimber revolvers make more sense to me for a smaller yet controllable 357 carry gun.
For your stated purposes I think the GP100 makes more sense, particularly a 3" model.
Just my opinion.
Vapor
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I understand where you're coming from, and that's a very well written response that's very respectful. I guess I should have explained myself better.
Right now the funds aren't there for the gp100. I've pretty muched settled on a 4" model gp100. Anyway, the money will be there easily in next springs budget. I can be a patient man. The gp100 is something I hope to leave for my son someday.
The cheaper revolvers I'm going to look at today fit into my life in a different way. They are only 2" barreled guns. I main plan there is to basically treat them as a pocket .38 that can chamber something larger. My intent here is to start being able to shoot and get used to a revolver with low overhead getting in. It also means I'm not putting miles on the Ruger. Eventually if they prove reliable this will go into my top drawer in my tool chest in the garage. My workshop/garage has only one entrance and I don't want to be cornered in there with nothing. (I hate carrying if I'm working on a car/doing something gross) Living in the garage is something a gp100 would never do for me.
This spring/summer I'll probably just carry my 19x clone when hiking/outside until fall/next spring when I can get a gp100.
Right now the funds aren't there for the gp100. I've pretty muched settled on a 4" model gp100. Anyway, the money will be there easily in next springs budget. I can be a patient man. The gp100 is something I hope to leave for my son someday.
The cheaper revolvers I'm going to look at today fit into my life in a different way. They are only 2" barreled guns. I main plan there is to basically treat them as a pocket .38 that can chamber something larger. My intent here is to start being able to shoot and get used to a revolver with low overhead getting in. It also means I'm not putting miles on the Ruger. Eventually if they prove reliable this will go into my top drawer in my tool chest in the garage. My workshop/garage has only one entrance and I don't want to be cornered in there with nothing. (I hate carrying if I'm working on a car/doing something gross) Living in the garage is something a gp100 would never do for me.
This spring/summer I'll probably just carry my 19x clone when hiking/outside until fall/next spring when I can get a gp100.
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I own 2 of them. I have the GP100 that I bought years ago. It was used when I bought it. The date code is 1986, after I bought it, I took the entire thing apart to do a deep clean. As I put it back together, the timing was off. I contacted Ruger and was able to send it to them. The fixed the issue, polished it and replaced a few worn out parts; even a new and upgraded trigger. I love this gun. It has the 4" barrel. Great gun. New prices are high, a gently used one is a great way to go.
I also picked up a used S&W model 60, little J frame that I love to carry and shoot.
This is the extent of my knowledge
I also picked up a used S&W model 60, little J frame that I love to carry and shoot.
This is the extent of my knowledge
For those interested, see the video in the linked NY Post article. A 78 year old man in Buenos Aries pulled his .357 as he was being suddenly carjacked. Took his teenage attacker out! Check out the muzzle flash on his last shot fired!
A definite FAFO moment caught on camera.
nypost.com
A definite FAFO moment caught on camera.
Shocking video shows 78-year-old fatally shoot teenager who tried to rob him in Argentina
A 78-year-old retiree shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who tried to rob him outside of his home, shocking video shows.
nypost.com
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Vapor
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How many speed loaders should one have....are HKS good?
As many as you can afford. I think I have 10 for my 657 and Dan Wesson, I have 50 moon clips for each of my 627, 610, 625, and 929.
and yes.
HKS are fine, the old stand-by. I think the Safariland Comp Loaders are better but they don't offer a 7 shot loader should you get a 7 shot revolver.
"it was just a toy that looked like a Bersa Mini...he was a good kid..."For those interested, see the video in the linked NY Post article. A 78 year old man in Buenos Aries pulled his .357 as he was being suddenly carjacked. Took his teenage attacker out! Check out the muzzle flash on his last shot fired!
A definite FAFO moment caught on camera.
Shocking video shows 78-year-old fatally shoot teenager who tried to rob him in Argentina
A 78-year-old retiree shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who tried to rob him outside of his home, shocking video shows.
Fuck Around, Find Out.
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Here's the model I've taken a liking to
grabagun.com
Ruger GP100 Stainless .357 Mag 4.2" Barrel 7-Rounds
The Ruger GP100 Standard provides a durable and reliable revolver design with great performance and accuracy. It comes chambered in .357 Magnum with a 4.2-inch barrel. Features of the GP100 include a fiber optic front sight, an adjustable rear sight, a rubber and hardwood grip, and a 7-round...
grabagun.com
Get the 3" modelHere's the model I've taken a liking to
Ruger GP100 Stainless .357 Mag 4.2" Barrel 7-Rounds
The Ruger GP100 Standard provides a durable and reliable revolver design with great performance and accuracy. It comes chambered in .357 Magnum with a 4.2-inch barrel. Features of the GP100 include a fiber optic front sight, an adjustable rear sight, a rubber and hardwood grip, and a 7-round...