Of course they both did pass a Senate and Assembly vote. You just don't remember because it happens fast here in NY.
It only takes a few hours. Here is the CCIA.
Antonyuk v James is dead, denied Cert by libtard Robert's SCOTUS court.
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It only takes a few hours. Here is the CCIA.
Old Jalopy
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The SAFE Act was written and pushed through in the middle of the night. There was no opposition to oppose it. None! We all went to bed one night and when we woke up the next morning, there it was.
Follow the money.
Old Jalopy
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See above on the SAFE Act. CCIA was the same but in broad daylight. But, neither were done using proper channels. They were done so there could not be opposition, and both of these backdoor laws had Republican backers to assist in the shady shenanigans.Of course they both did pass a Senate and Assembly vote. You just don't remember because it happens fast here in NY.
It only takes a few hours. Here is the CCIA. View attachment 262958
So, I stand by my statement, essentially both were executive orders.
But they were voted on.
Just not out in the open like the national votes. There was even time for citizen comments before both.
My asking that they vote NO obviously went unheard.
Old Jalopy
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But they were voted on.
Just not out in the open like the national votes. There was even time for citizen comments before both.
My asking that they vote NO obviously went unheard.
Vicarious
.40 S&W
And the State GOP voted for it! They offered zero resistance. ZERO resistance. They cowered in fear before Cuomo and kissed his ring(ass)
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
You are correct. I remember they used the message of necessity in a nefarious way (there was no emergency and no need for an immediate vote) and then they voted on the NY UNSAFE Act in the middle off the night. Those bastards.
Manner of passing bills; message of necessity for immediate vote.
New York Constitution :: Article III - Legislature :: Section 14 - Manner of passing bills; message of necessity for immediate vote
New York Constitution
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JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
An interesting article out today about the DOJ establishing a task force to push Trumps gun agenda . https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5240581-doj-second-amendment-task-force/
Yep, heard about this in Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, March....and now April.
So far, Mel Gibson gets his guns back?
Unless something meaningful happens in NYS, I'm pretty much done with caring.
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
Well this is a new task force established yesterday 4/8/25 so we'll see where it goes.
Yawn.
Another new taskforce.
There hasn't been any significant movement toward pro-2A actions yet. Nothing but lip service and a few extremely minor changes.
Wake me when they actually decide to do something real.
And back in 2017 Trump put Don Jr in charge of a 2a task force. Literally more anti gun laws were created.
If needed I can put together a montage of all the times Trump said he was making a task force and protecting the 2a.
Sinse then.....expanded Red Flag laws, bump stock ban, CCIA, multiple circuit Court losses, no national reciprocity....
These are all things he could have championed for 4.5 years he has been president. This new task force will not affect states. He says he will "fix" and enforce current national gun laws using the ATF, FBI and the DOJ. Ive not heard a single word about holding state officials accountable for rights violations. Helping felons get their rights back is great, but doesn't affect the vast majority of law abiding citizens. In just the past couple months Trump has pretty much forced the SCOTUS to rule on his immigration laws.
I'm as much a fan of Trump as anyone. I voted for him 3 times and I'll vote again if he is the next chosen VP.
But, you have to admit he has talked a lot about rabid 2a protection, but so far......Mel gets his guns.
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Yes, clearly it was a retaliation against current and prospective Gun Owners, however that really shouldn't be held against the Association.
GOA has done and continues to do some great work, and it should be understood that this isn't the end of the fight.
jimc
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You are correct. I remember they used the message of necessity in a nefarious way (there was no emergency and no need for an immediate vote) and then they voted on the NY UNSAFE Act in the middle off the night. Those bastards.
Manner of passing bills; message of necessity for immediate vote.
I just thought I'd mention it.New York Constitution :: Article III - Legislature :: Section 14 - Manner of passing bills; message of necessity for immediate vote
New York Constitution
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I'm still trying to figure out how they could justify (other than hiding their actions) a message of necessity when the laws didn't go into effect until 90 days after it passed, and 1 year after it passed. If I remember correctly, NOTHING went into effect right away. That's clearly an abuse of the 'message of necessity'.
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Bigfoot
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Good point, the message of necessity is an option that can be used during an emergency.
There was obviously no emergency.
In the case of Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act. I think the message of necessity was used in part to avoid public input/scrutiny.
They rammed the bill through as fast as possible in the middle of the night. IIRC the legislators only had something like 20 minutes to read the bill before the vote took place.
Don't quote me on that, but I think I am remembering that part correctly.
Talk about a corrupt state government.
Cuomo bought off Assemblyman Mark Grisanti (a worthless and dishonest RINO) who changed his vote so the Safe Act passed, - after MG assured numerous constituents (myself included) that he would vote against it. Many of us got together and voted his ass out after that. And what did Cuomo do after that? Why he appointed Mark Grisanti a NY Supreme Court judge, of course! IIRC, his annual salary was $150K / year with a 10 year term.Good point, the message of necessity is an option that can be used during an emergency.
There was obviously no emergency.
In the case of Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act. I think the message of necessity was used in part to avoid public input/scrutiny.
They rammed the bill through as fast as possible in the middle of the night. IIRC the legislators only had something like 20 minutes to read the bill before the vote took place.
Don't quote me on that, but I think I am remembering that part correctly.
Talk about a corrupt state government.
Democrat Party corruption right out in the open. And no one ever did a fucking thing about it.
Vicarious
.40 S&W
Cost his job as well. As it should have.
I am happy that the voters in his district (myself included) voted his dishonest, sellout ass out of office.
What absolutely pisses me off is the blatant corruption that then played out by party tits Cuomo giving him a $1,500,000.00 BRIBE! And NO ONE did ANYTHING about that.
Vinson57
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New head of the civil rights division in DC and in this interview she does talk about the 2A and has an eye on the states along with she owns a gun.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
36 minutes well spent IMHO.
I also liked the part about the covid restrictions/mandates, including vaccines.
I also liked the part about the covid restrictions/mandates, including vaccines.
Resurrecting this thread with a question:
What is the actual status of the issues in Antonyuk? Is the vampire rule still in effect in NY?
I ask because of a video posted by GOA claimed that the 2nd Circus threw out the vampire rule and the 11th Circus out of Hawaii upheld it.
Last I knew Antonyuk was still in the 2nd Circus awaiting final judgement, and NY'ers were not allowed to carry on private property open to the public unless they got the property owner's permission.
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What is the actual status of the issues in Antonyuk? Is the vampire rule still in effect in NY?
I ask because of a video posted by GOA claimed that the 2nd Circus threw out the vampire rule and the 11th Circus out of Hawaii upheld it.
Last I knew Antonyuk was still in the 2nd Circus awaiting final judgement, and NY'ers were not allowed to carry on private property open to the public unless they got the property owner's permission.
Edited to add link to GOA vid:
Last I knew, NYS SUPREME COURT threw out the vampire rule in the CCIA but left many of the sensitive places rule in place. I believe much of the CCIA is waiting in front of the 2nd circuit.