Dark Storm Industries

[gun_slinger_boy]

The hardest part of building a lower is not launching a pin or detente somewhere that you can't find it. There are tools made for some of these (for example, the front pivot pin spring/detente) and you can take steps to minimize the chances of losing it, like installing it inside of a plastic bag. Most of the tools needed (other than an armorer's wrench) are in most home workshops. With uppers, the tools that you really need to do a barrel install correctly (1/2" drive torque wrench, 1/2" breaker bar, (re)action rod/block, go/no-go gauges, etc) are less common. Worth investing in if you think that you will (it's addicting, so you probably will) build a few uppers down the road. However, a prebuilt upper on a home-built lower is a good start to the hobby.

I know this will make some cringe but you can actually assemble an AR with ALL common tools. For instance you can use a strap wrench to tighten the castle nut and then a hammer and punch to finish it. Depends how pretty you want your AR to be inthe end.

 

[Jem45472]

I know this will make some cringe but you can actually assemble an AR with ALL common tools. For instance you can use a strap wrench to tighten the castle nut and then a hammer and punch to finish it. Depends how pretty you want your AR to be inthe end.

Exactly. I've built several with nothing but hammers, pliers, and a punch or two I have laying around. Sure the right tools make it easier, but not totally necessary.

 

[Mosinitis]

Besides being a "tourist trap", DSI was trying to capitalize on our misfortune after passage of the SAFE act. What's even worse, they were doing it in a dishonest way and attempted to use state police to limit our options. I wouldn't buy a cleaning patch from them.

 

[thegatman]

Buy a mini-14.

 

[hoodfu]

This is bordering on the off topic when considering a budget build, but this looks pretty slick as well.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

This is the way to go.

F/S - Enhanced Trigger Guards

 

[DroBrens]

This is bordering on the off topic when considering a budget build, but this looks pretty slick as well.

I went to Blueline yesterday and they had something similar. If I remember right it was about $1200.

 

[DoD1776]

seems to be... featureless...

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Dark Stain Industries?

 

[Bananabandit]

Shots fired.

 

[kev74]

Shots fired.

Sharts fired?

 

[Bananabandit]

Sharts fired?

Sharts farted?

 

[E the massive]

Sharts fired?

Across the bowel.

 

[dwa12479]

If DSI was the last store on earth with AR parts, I guess I'd never have another one again.

Build your own from the ground up. It's the only way to go. You get what you want the way you want it the first time. There's nothing worse than buying an off the shelf rifle and then spending a small fortune customizing it.

 

[redtail]

I wouldnt buy a roll pin from those assholes.

 

[WileyX585]

It's funny to see the "they're still in business?" comments here. They recently opened a new location with their own range. Their store is the nicest and most modern gun store on Long Island at this point. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.

That doesn't meant shit. New range doesn't make them better people. Maybe you're different, but a shady company is just that, and always will be. Sorry, not getting my hard earned money.

Vulcan still makes 50BMGs... At least I assume that's what name they are going under now. Does that mean it's a good rifle becuase it's still on the market? Nope.

On a better note, go to @Bullet Guy and get one from him. You won't be sorry, matter of fact for what you would waste (yes waste, not spend) on a hackjob DSI bullshit buy two from BG and support a company I'd give my money to happily. That is all

 

[hoodfu]

That doesn't meant shit. New range doesn't make them better people. Maybe you're different, but a shady company is just that, and always will be. Sorry, not getting my hard earned money.

So remind me what they did to you? I've spoken to the guys a few times and when they started out, they were the ones pushing the boundaries of ARs in NY right after the SAFE was trying to remove all ARs from being able to be purchased in this state. They were aggressive with taking the state police to task by trying to force them to say specifically what was legal and what wasn't. The police did something they shouldn't have and showed up at the shop and those individuals gave their opinions on things that they had no right doing. DSI posted what happened, which was later reversed when they realized that what the police were doing wasn't proper. For this they've been demonized on here never endingly, for being aggresively pro 2nd-amendment, and trying to get guns into our hands. Please tell me how any of that is shady. Did they make some mistakes, sure, but I'm just not seeing the evil that so many of those on here are painting them with.

 

[Bananabandit]

Brb, going to microwave my head.

 

[kev74]

So remind me what they did to you? I've spoken to the guys a few times and when they started out, they were the ones pushing the boundaries of ARs in NY right after the SAFE was trying to remove all ARs from being able to be purchased in this state. They were aggressive with taking the state police to task by trying to force them to say specifically what was legal and what wasn't. The police did something they shouldn't have and showed up at the shop and those individuals gave their opinions on things that they had no right doing. DSI posted what happened, which was later reversed when they realized that what the police were doing wasn't proper. For this they've been demonized on here never endingly, for being aggresively pro 2nd-amendment, and trying to get guns into our hands. Please tell me how any of that is shady. Did they make some mistakes, sure, but I'm just not seeing the evil that so many of those on here are painting them with.

The mistakes they made coincidentally happened to say that thier safe act workaround was kosher, but the workarounds that they don't sell weren't. That gives the appearance that they were trying to profit off of this misinformation that was only being pushed by Dark Stain.

Because they seemingly tried to profit from spreading false information, a lot of us feel we might have been taken advantage of, and therefore hold a grudge.

 

[pjzwtl]

TT @Bullet Guy two recent builds with hardware from his shop they run well and I still have my shirt. Which reminds me I need to get up there and grab another upper

 

[Robin]

Maybe this will help:
DSI NYSP Letter 3-18-2016

Robin

 

[pjzwtl]

The mistakes they made coincidentally happened to say that thier safe act workaround was kosher, but the workarounds that they don't sell weren't. That gives the appearance that they were trying to profit off of this misinformation that was only being pushed by Dark Stain.

Because they seemingly tried to profit from spreading false information, a lot of us feel we might have been taken advantage of, and therefore hold a grudge.

Hey wait I thought they were getting (actually going to produce) a letter for that ...Dark Stain

 

[hoodfu]

To be clear, Dark Storm is a for profit business. There's no reason why they can't be both fighting for our rights and making a living at the same time. If anyone is to blame concerning the "our stuff is kosher but other people's inventions aren't", it's the police, not DSI. Don't shoot the messenger. The police also never produced that letter, which just showed that the ones who showed up at DSI weren't acting appropriately or with any authority. We really are our own worst enemy. I don't see this type of thing when I look at boards in states where the states aren't trying to turn their populace into criminals.

 

[Marine Cpl]

To be clear, Dark Storm is a for profit business. There's no reason why they can't be both fighting for our rights and making a living at the same time. If anyone is to blame concerning the "our stuff is kosher but other people's inventions aren't", it's the police, not DSI. Don't shoot the messenger. The police also never produced that letter, which just showed that the ones who showed up at DSI weren't acting appropriately or with any authority. We really are our own worst enemy. I don't see this type of thing when I look at boards in states where the states aren't trying to turn their populace into criminals.

No. They went around telling everyone that their product was the only legal one. It took the NYSRPA to clear up the BS.

Then today this was released by NYSRPA:

Gun owners of New York State,

On March 11, 2016 Dark Storm Industries LLC post a letter that was supposed be an update from the New York State Police, Troop L, Gun Investigation Unit regarding changes to the list of compliant rifles and accessories. There was wide spread panic and fury among the many gun owners of NYS much of which was fanned by individuals and associations to cast blame, incite the gun owners and frankly to use as a money making tool. The NYSRPA refrained from commenting other than to say this was an unconfirmed rumor. Today I can say without reservation after having checked with the NYSP and the Attorney General's Office that there is no SAFE Act update of compliant firearms, accessories or receivers. Why this information was circulated without vetting is beyond comprehension but maybe you should ask Dark Storm and the other organizations that foisted this on us all.
Tom King

 

[hoodfu]

"Why this information was circulated without vetting is beyond comprehension" so DSI made a mistake. Still not seeing the evil here. They thought they were doing the right thing and it went bad. Have you actually gone down to their shop and talked to the owner and their engineer who works on milling new parts etc? The enthusiasm for new ideas and guns is inspiring. But hey, we only care about rabble rabble on a gun forum. As far as the NYSPRA, they're a pretty slimey organization as well if you want to talk about people taking our money with little to nothing to show for it. You could easily fill a school bus of members here who won't pay them another dime.

 

[Marine Cpl]

How

"Why this information was circulated without vetting is beyond comprehension" so DSI made a mistake. Still not seeing the evil here. They thought they were doing the right thing and it went bad. Have you actually gone down to their shop and talked to the owner and their engineer who works on milling new parts etc? The enthusiasm for new ideas and guns is inspiring. But hey, we only care about rabble rabble on a gun forum. As far as the NYSPRA, they're a pretty slimey organization as well if you want to talk about people taking our money with little to nothing to show for it. You could easily fill a school bus of members here who won't pay them another dime.

How long have you worked for Dark Storm?

 

[dsdmmat]

How

How long have you worked for Dark Storm?

Exactly what I was thinking with his first post in this thread.

 

[GUNSICK]

You know they charge too much when they have an engineer on staff.

 

[Robin]

I, I feel a shill in the air.
Robin

 

[Exonautic]

Meh. Their prices arent the best but i have no issues with them. Any parts i've gotten from them have all seemed pretty well made. Granted, i wasnt as into guns when all of this went down with the nysp shit so maybe yall just really can hold onto a grudge. To each their own.
Ill still go to them because theyre one of the only places i can get to in 10 minutes if i need any parts for my ar.