I actually don't think so.
When the Shah was in charge, there was no KILL AMERICA, KILL THE JEWS rhetoric.
"They" in Iran are the Ayatollahs. Netanyahu believes they must die, and so do I.
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I actually don't think so.
When the Shah was in charge, there was no KILL AMERICA, KILL THE JEWS rhetoric.
"They" in Iran are the Ayatollahs. Netanyahu believes they must die, and so do I.
"Intelligence Experts" are like "Climate Change Experts".
They have agendas.
Iran's nuclear program 'suffered enormous damage,' IAEA chief says
Centrifuges at Fordo site 'no longer operational,' Rafael Grossi says - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
As this article points out, a uranium centrifuge does not even have to take a direct hit for a shock to destroy it.
And they are dangerous, mechanically, by nature. Rotors can become unbalanced and erupt in a failure explosion.
Of course Iran can rebuild, in time. Which is why there must be regime change. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.
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Please realize the effects of the MOP have been extensively tested. On actual bunker mock ups.
And this:
"I actually have a little bit of a rosier view on things," Andrea Stricker, Deputy Director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies' Nonproliferation and Biodefense Program, told Fox News Digital. "I think that because of the massive damage and the shock wave that would have been sent by 12 Massive Ordnance Penetrators at the Fordow site, that it likely would render its centrifuges damaged or inoperable."
President Trump speaks in terms that have both PR value, and are dumbed down for the audience. And that's ok.
And this:
"I actually have a little bit of a rosier view on things," Andrea Stricker, Deputy Director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies' Nonproliferation and Biodefense Program, told Fox News Digital. "I think that because of the massive damage and the shock wave that would have been sent by 12 Massive Ordnance Penetrators at the Fordow site, that it likely would render its centrifuges damaged or inoperable."
President Trump speaks in terms that have both PR value, and are dumbed down for the audience. And that's ok.
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www.firstpost.com
US to make new 'bunker buster' bombs 4 times more powerful than the ones dropped on Iran
The United States is developing ‘bunker buster’ bombs that could be four times more powerful than the ones dropped on Iranian nuclear sites last week.
www.firstpost.com
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MOP X4
US to make new 'bunker buster' bombs 4 times more powerful than the ones dropped on Iran
The United States is developing ‘bunker buster’ bombs that could be four times more powerful than the ones dropped on Iranian nuclear sites last week.
Good news. And they also need to refresh inventory. The 14 GBU-57s dropped were out of 30 believed to exist in US arsenal. Although the US also has nuclear bunker busters for a real war.
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LIVE: SECDEF Hegseth, CJCS Gen. Caine Brief the Media
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Dan Caine hold a press briefing at the Pentagon, to cover the NATO meeting and the strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. WATCH (prompted):
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Everyone has an agenda or a bias. I’m simply saying intelligence experts would know more than Trump and would advise him on if it was successful or not. It wasn’t one person reviewing the data either. Could they be pushing their agenda? Of course but could Trump be wrong? Of course. We will never know."Intelligence Experts" are like "Climate Change Experts".
They have agendas.
Iran's nuclear program 'suffered enormous damage,' IAEA chief says
Centrifuges at Fordo site 'no longer operational,' Rafael Grossi says - Anadolu Ajansı
As this article points out, a uranium centrifuge does not even have to take a direct hit for a shock to destroy it.
And they are dangerous, mechanically, by nature. Rotors can become unbalanced and erupt in a failure explosion.
Of course Iran can rebuild, in time. Which is why there must be regime change. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.
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They told Trump the vaccines were perfectly safe. They lied. The CIA lied to Kennedy too. Point being, they lie to the president
This was the latest version of MOP, that was used on June 22
Penetration is only 200ft and even that is debatable. There is also a big assumption that we know accurate information of underground labyrinths.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Penetration is only 200ft and even that is debatable. There is also a big assumption that we know accurate information of underground labyrinths.
GBU-57A/B MOP - Wikipedia
- Penetration: (debated) There is debate regarding the penetration capabilities of the bomb. The US Air Force has said that the GBU-57 can penetrate up to 200 ft (60 m) of unspecified material before exploding.[44] The BBC reports that analysts at Janes say the weapon can penetrate about 200 ft (60 m) of earth or 60 ft (18 m) of concrete.[32] This is consistent with a separate source which suggests penetration of up to 60 ft (18 m) into reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa) and 8 ft (2.4 m) into 10,000 psi (69 MPa) reinforced concrete.[12]
Lies? Say it isnt so..So the question remains then. Does Iran have weapons of mass destruction? Or is that a question for 30 years ago?
Is the USA's attack on Iran the ultimate betrayal of the MAGA base OR is it merely a necessary evil to make America "great" again? Is Israel in charge of our government or is President Trump and the Republicans who were given a mandate by the American people to END these horrible wars? Scott Kesterson from BARDS FM returns to SGT Report to dissect the latest shocking developments.
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I think in this case we *will* know in the coming months.
Iran is, for sure, going to dig those out and see for themselves what the damage is first hand.
And they will not be able to keep those secrets.
It will be obvious to the world how effective this was before the end of the year.
If they abandon Fordow, I'd say things were very effective.
If they spend the next 6 months moving heavy excavating equipment in, effective.
If they have scientists and supplies going in by the end of the year, limited effectiveness.
This is a serious problem along with Duel citizenship in the halls of Congress. Huge red flag!!
This is most of the problem.
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Problem is, the place could have been empty to start. Iranians are ""claiming"" they have multiple sites that were not hit. no way to confirm that at the moment but given the situation for the last 2 decades its very likely. You dont keep all of your eggs in one basket.
Another problem is that Pakistan and N korea offered to sell them nuclear weapons
Iran is known to have quantity's of 60% enriched Uranium, How much is stock piled and where its at is another unknown. It doesn't take long to enrich to 90% needed from there.
The way it looks to me, good diplomacy or an all out invasion are the only 2 viable options to stop Iran from have nukes in 1 year or less.
As soon as Israel gets wind of other nuclear targets, its going to let loose again, so this aint over yet.
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Think ICE is arresting some Iranians here to get the rest of them riled up? Maybe a fresh round of mostly peaceful protests under a different flag?
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Where did you hear that N Korea or Pakiatan was willing to sell nukes ?
No country in the history of ever has sold a nuke.
Closest is we lease Tridents to the UK. But they are still our missiles, and we can cancel the lease and take them back.
If anyone starts selling nukes they will instantly be on the "can't be trusted with them" list, and you see what happens to your nuke program when that happens.
Why on earth would North Korea or Pakistan *want* to sell nukes to Iran ? How much would you have to charge ? Then why happens when one of your nukes gets *used* by someone ?
Imagine what happens to Pakistan if they sell a nuke to Iran and it ends up getting smuggled into Tel Aviv by Hamas, or the Houthis blow up some port with it ?
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Russia's former president said that multiple countries are poised to provide Iran with nuclear warheads after the U.S. launched strikes against three Iranian nuclear facilities.
"The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue," Dmitry Medvedev, now the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said in a Sunday X post.
"A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads," Medvedev said.
www.foxnews.com
Pakistan offered to sell nukes to Iran in the first attacks around October I believe. Cant find anything on it now , But I did read it.
Hatetred Toward the US and Isreal. stopping the encroahment of NATO globaly, Pakistan has a deep hatred toward Isreal and doesnt want to see its neighbors destroyed by them
Right. and Imagine If iran decares it now has nuclear weapons and will use them if attacked
Ukraine turned its nukes back over to Russia and look what happened, N Korea obtained Nukes and nobody fucks with them anymore. Nobody trusts the US Isreal and the UN to do the right thing anymore. the credibility is gone, ergo so is the treaty's, not worth the paper they are printed on. The US is losing its global dominance , and it did it to itself .
"The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue," Dmitry Medvedev, now the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said in a Sunday X post.
"A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads," Medvedev said.
Russian leader claims multiple countries prepped to provide Iran nuclear weapons following US strikes
Former Russian president asserts Iran's nuclear program will continue despite U.S. strikes on key facilities.
www.foxnews.com
Pakistan offered to sell nukes to Iran in the first attacks around October I believe. Cant find anything on it now , But I did read it.
Thats right but the game has changed. Due to loss of credibility of the US and the UN , All those nuclear non proliferation treatys are going to go right out the fucking window At least Russia is done with it for now. Probably N Korea and Pakistan also.
To late, We are now on the dont trust them list.
Hatetred Toward the US and Isreal. stopping the encroahment of NATO globaly, Pakistan has a deep hatred toward Isreal and doesnt want to see its neighbors destroyed by them
Right. and Imagine If iran decares it now has nuclear weapons and will use them if attacked
Ukraine turned its nukes back over to Russia and look what happened, N Korea obtained Nukes and nobody fucks with them anymore. Nobody trusts the US Isreal and the UN to do the right thing anymore. the credibility is gone, ergo so is the treaty's, not worth the paper they are printed on. The US is losing its global dominance , and it did it to itself .
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Trump Says Democrats Leaked Iran Intelligence Report to CNN - News Addicts
President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that Democrat lawmakers are responsible for leaking top secret intelligence about last week’s strikes on Iranian nuclear sites. “The Democrats are the ones who leaked the information on the PERFECT FLIGHT to the nuclear sites in Iran,” the president...
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Hang the treasonous bastardsTrump Says Democrats Leaked Iran Intelligence Report to CNN - News Addicts
President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that Democrat lawmakers are responsible for leaking top secret intelligence about last week’s strikes on Iranian nuclear sites. “The Democrats are the ones who leaked the information on the PERFECT FLIGHT to the nuclear sites in Iran,” the president...
Interesting note in this story...
There's a clue that either F22s or f35s likely escorted the b2s much farther into Iranian airspace than has been talked about previously.
abcnews.go.com
There's a clue that either F22s or f35s likely escorted the b2s much farther into Iranian airspace than has been talked about previously.
Secrets on Iran nuclear strike spill into open as Pentagon defends bombing
The Pentagon unveiled details about a 15-year top-secret program.
abcnews.go.com
It's absolutely way past time people harming our countrys security for politics get introduced to a stake in the ground in front of a wall.
This was the latest version of MOP, that was used on June 22
Penetration is only 200ft and even that is debatable. There is also a big assumption that we know accurate information of underground labyrinths.
GBU-57A/B MOP - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
- Penetration: (debated) There is debate regarding the penetration capabilities of the bomb. The US Air Force has said that the GBU-57 can penetrate up to 200 ft (60 m) of unspecified material before exploding.[44] The BBC reports that analysts at Janes say the weapon can penetrate about 200 ft (60 m) of earth or 60 ft (18 m) of concrete.[32] This is consistent with a separate source which suggests penetration of up to 60 ft (18 m) into reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa) and 8 ft (2.4 m) into 10,000 psi (69 MPa) reinforced concrete.[12]
U.N. Nuclear Watchdog Agency Confirms U.S. Airstrike Disabled Iran’s Centrifuges: 'Enormous Damage'
IAEA director Rafael Grossi says Iran’s uranium enrichment plant at Fordow is “no longer operational” after a massive U.S. airstrike.
www.breitbart.com
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director-General Rafael Grossi
Grossi said his inspectors have not yet gained access to the damaged Iranian sites, but “we know these facilities inside out,” so “we can draw fairly accurate conclusions by looking at satellite images and so on about the type of damage and the consequences of what happened.”
Just so you know, it is this man and his inspectors who blew the lid on Iran's enrichment program.
Iran Threatens U.N. Nuclear Chief Grossi Over Reports on Enrichment Program – [your]NEWS
Tehran advisor vows to "settle accounts" with IAEA head following U.S.-Israel strikes on nuclear sites, amid rising diplomatic tensions.
yournews.com
Iran wants him dead.
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Members of Congress are Forced to Proclaim their Loyalty to Israel — What about America?
Members of Congress are Forced to Proclaim their Loyalty to Israel — What about America?
I'm not concerned.
But if it's true, can they do something about The Squad ?
When they're gone, maybe I'll take a second look at this nonsense.
And please, don't even try to explain why the all-powerful Zionists allowed this:
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