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[GOPerfect]

The problem is that you staying in your place doesn't mean they will stay in theirs.

We are the most prosperous and powerful nation. Lots of people will hate us for that alone.

It's the global version of the "eat the rich" slogan. It's also basic human nature. Envy is a powerful amd seductive emotion, and many people let it drive their lives.

The 9/11 attackers wouldn't have done any less if we were hard core isolationists.

Most of the left wing crybabies who have been conducting terror attacks here aren't suffering from American intervention, they just hate us for being successful.

Look at Musk. They hate him with a passion now, they are certain he must have gotten rich by oppressing someone, the idea that someone could get rich without doing that is blasphemy to them.

His net worth spiked up recently because of the announcement of the SpaceX IPO. He's 150 billion dollars richer than he was a couple weeks ago. To many on the left, he must have murdered a small country to do that, not just announced that some stock was going to be sold.

That is why I said all. That was the key word. All...

 

[spat]

The problem with stuff like this is that no one saying these things seems to bother learning anything about the Palestinian culture and people or who 'they' do or don't want to kill. It's just primarily based on assumptions and, quite frankly, the arrogance of Americans to go by headlines and think we're right about everything we assume.
You saying, "What did the Palestinians think was going to happen"..man, this isn't personal, but that's such a shitty take and so incredibly insulting to an entire people. We could go on and on about this, but as I stated earlier in this thread, according to US and Israeli intelligence reports, there were as many as 25k active Hamas fighters, reserve forces, and support elements." That's ONE percent of the Palestinian population. Should you and yours be subject to the horrors of blatant and celebrated war crimes for something that was done by 1% of the population ? We can't know exactly what percentage of 2.2 million people would support something like what Hamas did, but we do have data (Source: Arab Barometer survey, considered a central resource for quantitative research on the Middle East, just for one) that suggests only 25% of Palestinians even supported "ANY form of armed resistance“ as a preferred solution to the conflict prior to October 7th. Now, I'd sure be willing to bet that "any form of armed resistance" does not generally include something like the Hamas attack, wouldn't you ? 80% of deaths are civilians, and huge percent of that civilian women and children. Do you think that even a statistically relevant portion of those just "wanted to kill Jews" ? If so, do you really consider yourself to be knowledgeable about Palestinian culture and thought to make that claim ? C'mon now. I sure don't.
No one is saying to discount the suffering caused by Hamas on Oct. 7th, but I'd say that to anyone, with any morality and care for humans in general, that doesn't in any way, by just throwing it out there, justify the deaths of ~65000 (civilians only) and well over a million (who knows how many) people suffering terribly, starving, being put in camps, with no medical facilities to go to, who we CAN say that ~75% of didn't even support armed resistance at all, let alone attacks.
When you generalize and dismiss an entire people so disrespectfully, that you (and I) know so little about, with statements like that.. fellas, that's just so shitty and heartless to so much suffering.

72% of Palestinians supported the Oct 7th attack. It's not a small minority.

If it *was* a small minority oppressing the majority, they should welcome the IDF deposing their oppressors.


Poll shows Palestinians back Oct. 7 attack on Israel, support for Hamas rises | Reuters https://share.google/plILkxVL7bI8yLYLF


Hamas has higher support among the Palestinians than the Nazi's did in Germany.

This conflict is fueled directly by the western dupes who blame Isreal for bombing a missile launcher on a hospital roof, and not Hamas for putting it there and forcing women and children into the building to be Martyrs.

It's a direct relationship. Every headline or comment that bemoans the suffering after such an attack is a directly responsible for Hamas setting up the next one.


Isreal can't just let Hamas lob rockets into their cities forever without responding just because Hamas straps some innocents to the launchers, that's insane.

Isreal *does* announce the strikes and warn the innocents to get away, but Hamas won't let them. Isreal cares more about the innocent Palestinians than Hamas does.

 

[spat]

That is why I said all. That was the key word. All...

If you could get *all* people to act like decent human beings, a lot of problems would go away, and we would have the greatest golden age in history.

But, human nature gets in the way, and even if you *could* fix that, I seriously doubt any of us would like the fix.

 

[Defilade]

Guess again.

Child soldier recruits double in one year in Middle East and North Africa | Child soldiers | The Guardian Child soldier recruits double in one year in Middle East and North Africa

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Show me a whole town that has been flatten as I have shown you then we will talk. Women and children in the thousands murdered. I have many other videos showing such.

 

[tirwin1]

Show me a whole town that has been flatten as I have shown you then we will talk. Women and children in the thousands murdered. I have many other videos showing such.

Neither the japanese nor the germans hit any of our major cities in world war II. But we flattened most of theirs. Hundreds of thousands of women and children were killed. Once again FAFO.

 

[Defilade]

Most antisemitism is rooted in ignorance. Not sure why those spoiled brats should get a pass for theirs.

Ignorance would be your sleeve. Better bone up on the influence and power of AIPAC within our own Government. Dual Citizenship also. How about The "Noahide Laws" of Talmudic Judaism: Implemented to Execute all Christians?

 

[spat]

Show me a whole town that has been flatten as I have shown you then we will talk. Women and children in the thousands murdered. I have many other videos showing such.

Oh, wait, that was a residential district in Tokyo in 1945.

And all over a couple boats, what an over reaction.


No, that was the FO phase of suckerpunching a much stronger opponent.

Gaza has gotten off *way* easy on their FO compared to their FA.

They could have avoided most of it by just turning over the women and children they took as hostages instead of raping them to death. Nope, no sympathy for that. They brought it all on themselves, and a lot more.

 

[Defilade]

There is no anti-Goyim hatred among Jews as a group and it's very rare even on individual level. There is anti-Goyim bias, mistrust and for good reasons. On the other side of the coin, there is a tendency from gentiles to judge all Jews by the lowest common denominator. Jews are not the only minority that was persecuted. Most minorities were persecuted throughout history, Jews were more spread around the world and lived in many countries.

I am not a religious scholar, but there are laws in Jewish religion to treat Jews and gentiles equally in a number of areas, employment for example.

Israel is not the Jewish nation, Bibi and his henchmen are fake actors, mongrel Goya who deceive us by wearing a kippah and changing their names to something that sounds Yiddish, which isn't even the language of the Jews.

The fake Prime Minister, of fake Israel real name isn't even Benjamin Netanyahu, his real name is Benzion Mileikowsky (Bibi), he is a Polish Goya, a gentile acting as a Jew, leading a Satanic cult who are not the chosen people by any stretch of your imagination and are at aww no the land of Palestine by genocide of the inhabitants. Real Jews are actually protesting against this Israel cult.

 

[spat]

Ignorance would be your sleeve. Better bone up on the influence and power of AIPAC within our own Government. Dual Citizenship also. How about The "Noahide Laws" of Talmudic Judaism: Implemented to Execute all Christians?

I've gone down the rabbit hole on your other favorite conspiracy theory, I have no desire to add another.

I am sure there are Jews working against our interests in government. Schumer is practically a walking stereotype himself. But I don't think it's any more prevalent among them than it is any other Democrats.

I *don't* think there is some secret cabal behind it all. The globalists are quite open about their aims and memberships, and the only religion they really subscribe to is leftism.

 

[spat]

Israel is not the Jewish nation, Bibi and his henchmen are fake actors, mongrel Goya who deceive us by wearing a kippah and changing their names to something that sounds Yiddish, which isn't even the language of the Jews.

The fake Prime Minister, of fake Israel real name isn't even Benjamin Netanyahu, his real name is Benzion Mileikowsky (Bibi), he is a Polish Goya, a gentile acting as a Jew, leading a Satanic cult who are not the chosen people by any stretch of your imagination and are at aww no the land of Palestine by genocide of the inhabitants. Real Jews are actually protesting against this Israel cult.

What makes a nation "fake" ?

All nations are political boundaries invented by people. Is the US "fake" too ? What countries aren't "fake" ?

 

[Defilade]

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Oh, wait, that was a residential district in Tokyo in 1945.

And all over a couple boats, what an over reaction.


No, that was the FO phase of suckerpunching a much stronger opponent.

Gaza has gotten off *way* easy on their FO compared to their FA.

They could have avoided most of it by just turning over the women and children they took as hostages instead of raping them to death. Nope, no sympathy for that. They brought it all on themselves, and a lot more.

With that mindset we should just nuke Mexico as they don't police their border and allow all these illegals in. The compounded financial burden with all the rapes and murderers make the boats childs play.

 

[spat]

With that mindset we should just nuke Mexico as they don't police their border and allow all these illegals in. The compounded financial burden with all the rapes and murderers make the boats childs play.

What do you think we would do if Mexico pulled an Oct 7th, then continued to lob missiles into the US ?

B52s would be involved.

Every generation or two you need to remind people not to fuck with you.

 

[tirwin1]

Israel is not the Jewish nation, Bibi and his henchmen are fake actors, mongrel Goya who deceive us by wearing a kippah and changing their names to something that sounds Yiddish, which isn't even the language of the Jews.

The fake Prime Minister, of fake Israel real name isn't even Benjamin Netanyahu, his real name is Benzion Mileikowsky (Bibi), he is a Polish Goya, a gentile acting as a Jew, leading a Satanic cult who are not the chosen people by any stretch of your imagination and are at aww no the land of Palestine by genocide of the inhabitants. Real Jews are actually protesting against this Israel cult.

But is Bibi (or whatever his name is) a lizard? Isn't that the real question?

 

[Robin]

So, we had a homo, atheist, muslim, non-citizen president, Bibi pales in comparison.
Robin

 

[Defilade]

But is Bibi (or whatever his name is) a lizard? Isn't that the real question?

Wouldn't surprise me any. Lizards everywhere.

 

[Defilade]

What do you think we would do if Mexico pulled an Oct 7th, then continued to lob missiles into the US ?

B52s would be involved.

Every generation or two you need to remind people not to fuck with you.

Like I said. You don't have to do that. They do more damage within our culture by stealing our money via social services. Rape, murder, theft. Then they grab positions of power. Next ya know we have sharia law or No hide laws.

 

[spat]

Like I said. You don't have to do that. They do more damage within our culture by stealing our money via social services. Rape, murder, theft. Then they grab positions of power. Next ya know we have sharia law or No hide laws.

We can have 2 things we need to do to defend ourselves at the same time.

 

[OwnTheRide]

The 9/11 attackers wouldn't have done any less if we were hard core isolationists.

I dunno about that. Bin Laden's primary (and explicitly stated) goal was to get the US out of Saudi Arabia specifically, and the Middle East in general.

In other words, he was motivated almost entirely by our lack of isolationism.

When we put soldiers in other countries, we're often not very good guests. And even if we were... how do you think most Americans would feel about foreign countries building military bases in our country, regardless of how nice they were? And remember, we're not a nice presence.

 

[Saltwater60]

The problem is that you staying in your place doesn't mean they will stay in theirs.

We are the most prosperous and powerful nation. Lots of people will hate us for that alone.

It's the global version of the "eat the rich" slogan. It's also basic human nature. Envy is a powerful amd seductive emotion, and many people let it drive their lives.

The 9/11 attackers wouldn't have done any less if we were hard core isolationists.

Most of the left wing crybabies who have been conducting terror attacks here aren't suffering from American intervention, they just hate us for being successful.

Look at Musk. They hate him with a passion now, they are certain he must have gotten rich by oppressing someone, the idea that someone could get rich without doing that is blasphemy to them.

His net worth spiked up recently because of the announcement of the SpaceX IPO. He's 150 billion dollars richer than he was a couple weeks ago. To many on the left, he must have murdered a small country to do that, not just announced that some stock was going to be sold.

The problem is the Muslims want to force their religion on us one way or another. It’s not just a religion it’s a way of life.
Some in other religions do this as well and I disagree with it when they do it as well. However these other religions don’t generally bring violence at this point as Muslims do.

 

[Saltwater60]

I dunno about that. Bin Laden's primary (and explicitly stated) goal was to get the US out of Saudi Arabia specifically, and the Middle East in general.

In other words, he was motivated almost entirely by our lack of isolationism.

When we put soldiers in other countries, we're often not very good guests. And even if we were... how do you think most Americans would feel about foreign countries building military bases in our country, regardless of how nice they were? And remember, we're not a nice presence.

Correct. We have created a lot of this because of what you said.

 

[spat]

I dunno about that. Bin Laden's primary (and explicitly stated) goal was to get the US out of Saudi Arabia specifically, and the Middle East in general.

In other words, he was motivated almost entirely by our lack of isolationism.

When we put soldiers in other countries, we're often not very good guests. And even if we were... how do you think most Americans would feel about foreign countries building military bases in our country, regardless of how nice they were? And remember, we're not a nice presence.

There are a lot of people who complain about a US base nearby, but there are a lot more who would complain about us leaving. The economic activity a US base generates is all that's supporting some nearby towns.

"Americans are rude" is not enough to offset "if they leave, they'll take all the jobs with them".

With very few exceptions, we only build bases where we are invited. The fact that a loud minority wants us gone doesn't cancel out the fact that we were invited in, and we would leave if asked by the actual government.

 

[spat]

The problem is the Muslims want to force their religion on us one way or another. It’s not just a religion it’s a way of life.
Some in other religions do this as well and I disagree with it when they do it as well. However these other religions don’t generally bring violence at this point as Muslims do.

It almost seems like a phase an adolescent religion goes through. Christianity out grew that centuries ago, but Islam is relatively young by comparison.

 

[OwnTheRide]

There are a lot of people who complain about a US base nearby, but there are a lot more who would complain about us leaving. The economic activity a US base generates is all that's supporting some nearby towns.

"Americans are rude" is not enough to offset "if they leave, they'll take all the jobs with them".

With very few exceptions, we only build bases where we are invited. The fact that a loud minority wants us gone doesn't cancel out the fact that we were invited in, and we would leave if asked by the actual government.

You greatly misunderstand what I meant by "we are not a nice presence." I wasn't talking about our manners. I was talking about the rapes, robberies, beatings, murders, and all sorts of other shit that occurs and are rarely held to account, or in some cases are even sanctioned. Particularly and especially in hostile or semi-hostile territory, such as anywhere in the Middle East.

Stories of this type of behavior are all over the place... in Germany, in Korea, etc. And those are friendly first-world nations. Just imagine how bad it is in hostile nations where the media is easily suppressed by the government and/or occupying force.

Now before anyone flies off the handle, I'm not saying our military is a big group of murdering rapists. I'm saying some small percentage of it is, and when that percentage finds themselves in places with reduced or even no accountability, shit gets real ugly real quick.

That said, I'm not completely refuting your points quoted above. In a lot of cases, what you say is true. Cases like Germany, Korea, Poland, etc. It's a lot less true in the Middle East, and you pointed out why in your phrasing... "by the actual government." Governments in third world countries do not represent the people. They represent the government. The Saudi royal family wants us in their country because our presence ensures they stay in power. Don't for a second believe that means the people want us there.

 

[spat]

You greatly misunderstand what I meant by "we are not a nice presence." I wasn't talking about our manners. I was talking about the rapes, robberies, beatings, murders, and all sorts of other shit that occurs and are rarely held to account, or in some cases are even sanctioned. Particularly and especially in hostile or semi-hostile territory, such as anywhere in the Middle East.

Stories of this type of behavior are all over the place... in Germany, in Korea, etc. And those are friendly first-world nations. Just imagine how bad it is in hostile nations where the media is easily suppressed by the government and/or occupying force.

Now before anyone flies off the handle, I'm not saying our military is a big group of murdering rapists. I'm saying some small percentage of it is, and when that percentage finds themselves in places with reduced or even no accountability, shit gets real ugly real quick.

That said, I'm not completely refuting your points quoted above. In a lot of cases, what you say is true. Cases like Germany, Korea, Poland, etc. It's a lot less true in the Middle East, and you pointed out why in your phrasing... "by the actual government." Governments in third world countries do not represent the people. They represent the government. The Saudi royal family wants us in their country because our presence ensures they stay in power. Don't for a second believe that means the people want us there.

You have some good points, but I think they apply more to *any* military base, than American one in particular. Some of that is inevitable when you get a large population of young men in one location.

I don't believe American soldiers are generally any less well behaved than other nations troops.

I think that probably applies even *more* strongly in the middle east. If the locals resent an American base due to some crime, imagine replacing those soldiers with Saudis.

 

[FP1201]

The problem is the Muslims want to force their religion on us one way or another. It’s not just a religion it’s a way of life.
Some in other religions do this as well and I disagree with it when they do it as well. However these other religions don’t generally bring violence at this point as Muslims do.

The part of that that I feel people don't understand is simply that under the Religion they fervently practice, anything they do to a non-Muslim is wholly acceptable, be it murder, rape, theft, and easiest of all Deception. (Gaslighting "we're a religion of peace" while hacking someone's head off) Sorry, they can claim all the nobility they want, but I believe it's Satanic and will require life ending action to quell it's extremism against everyone that does not embrace Islam.

 

[Defilade]

Well said!

 

[holdover]

Most antisemitism is rooted in ignorance. Not sure why those spoiled brats should get a pass for theirs.

I didnt know that. You think the Palestinians are just ignorant?

Its called free speech, like it or hate it. The KKK and the Aryan nations, Black panthers, have free speech too. Nobody really listens to that shit anyway

 

[spat]

I didnt know that. You think the Palestinians are just ignorant?

Its called free speech, like it or hate it. The KKK and the Aryan nations, Black panthers, have free speech too. Nobody really listens to that shit anyway

I think the Palestinians are a very small subset of all antisemitism.

I am sure ignorance factors highly in theirs as well though. How many lies are Palestinian children taught about a jews while they are growing up ? Probably more than even the Nazi's propagated.

Bottom line, nearly everyone with any serious level of antisemitism almost certainly believes a lot of outright fabrications. That pretty much applies to most forms of bigotry TBH.

Unless you think ignorance isn't really the right term to describe believing outright lies. If you think ignorance is just a lack of knowledge, then I could understand that. I include incorrect knowledge as well as a lack in the definition of ignorance.

 

[holdover]

We are the most prosperous and powerful nation. Lots of people will hate us for that alone.

absolute nonsense. Thats a cover story for the public . The north Koreans or the Japanese or even the Vietnamese didn't hate us for our freedom, the Mexicans didn't hate us for our freedoms The american Indians didnt hate us for our freedoms the South didnt hate us for our freedoms the muslims didnt hate us for our freedoms

 

[tirwin1]

Bottom line, nearly everyone with any serious level of antisemitism almost certainly believes a lot of outright fabrications. That pretty much applies to most forms of bigotry TBH.

You mean like.....just throwing out an example.....flat earth theory?