Glock ban law passes in nys with the budget, convertible style handguns now banned

[Saltwater60]

And probably damn few of them, also.
They're already trying to ban the dreaded .50 cal. When was the last time ANY crime was performed with a .50 Barrett? They know there are people out there who can use it the way it is supposed to be used and they are scared to death of that. So, instead of changing their anti-American behavior, they try to double down and ban the tools we have a right to.

Let them keep going. History has already shown what eventually happens to tyrants.

We're living through tomorrow's history book right now.

I have no problem with people owning any guns as long as they aren’t mentally ill to the point where they will harm themselves or others or are a true violent felon/wife beater.

If you aren’t those things you should be able to own about any weapons you please, even switches and full auto Glocks. Print gun? Yep.

 

[Cavalry]

Everyone here seems to be focused on the glock ban. What about the ban on digital artwork that depicts a firearm, to include transmission or possession? What about the magical decree that all new CNC machines somehow have "blocking technology" that somehow makes the machine know what its making and not just moving coordinates (with state supplied magical software I am sure) or that now manufacturing otherwise unregulated components like barrels or slides puts one on the naughty list.

 

[Brawny71]

Has anyone actually found the actual approved bill? I cannot

 

[spat]

That’s my fear, especially with who they are and their history.

Queue up the next thread where people discuss how to modify a gun to be harder to convert to be "complaint".

And someone is going to argue that if you can convert it in a machine shop with an engineering degree it's too easily converted and we're all going to prison.

 

[Bustedknees]

So is Glock going to put up money and rightfully go after NYS ? Or will they let someone else carry the load?? Its happening in other states too, their wallet takes a hit either way.

 

[ManrisFrack]

Evidently, in addition to the Glock ban, they also put a requirement in the budget for monitoring software on all additive AND subtractive manufacturing machines sold in the state.

Every 3D printer, every CNC lathe, every CNC mill, even every friggin Cricut scrapbooking machine sold has to check every job against a state database before allowing that job to run. Fucking batshit crazy!

I have no idea how that's gonna work. Recreating a 3d model from g-code is going to be next to impossible and it certainly won't be economical from a time or computing power standpoint. Give a solid model to 10 different programmers, you'll get 10 different programs posted for half a dozen different controllers. Not to mention that the vast majority of subtractive manufacturing requires multiple operations. So next, they'll insist that they have to monitor the CAD/CAM software suites because that's where the actual geometry lives.

These fucking idiots haven't the faintest idea how to make a god damn thing. They sure are good at fucking things up for those of us that do. If I made machine tools, I'd just write off NY and sell to states that actually embrace American manufacturing.

 

[Grimscale]

If I made machine tools, I'd just write off NY and sell to states that actually embrace American manufacturing.

If I made machine tools I'd gladly sell to New Yorkers. Just anyone "official" would be S.O.L. That would be in writing in the contract when they buy the devices and any found to have acquired it via fraudulent means (lying) would be on the hook for millions of dollars.

Same as if I owned a gun factory.
Civvys? Sure.
Cops? National Guard? political bodyguards? Fuck no!

 

[thughes]

I've been bootlegging ammo to NY for awhile now, happy to bootleg 3D printers if need be.

 

[Nebowictz]

Has anyone actually found the actual approved bill? I cannot

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/A10005/amendment/A

I believe this is it

 

[Cavalry]

Evidently, in addition to the Glock ban, they also put a requirement in the budget for monitoring software on all additive AND subtractive manufacturing machines sold in the state.

Every 3D printer, every CNC lathe, every CNC mill, even every friggin Cricut scrapbooking machine sold has to check every job against a state database before allowing that job to run. Fucking batshit crazy!

I have no idea how that's gonna work. Recreating a 3d model from g-code is going to be next to impossible and it certainly won't be economical from a time or computing power standpoint. Give a solid model to 10 different programmers, you'll get 10 different programs posted for half a dozen different controllers. Not to mention that the vast majority of subtractive manufacturing requires multiple operations. So next, they'll insist that they have to monitor the CAD/CAM software suites because that's where the actual geometry lives.

These fucking idiots haven't the faintest idea how to make a god damn thing. They sure are good at fucking things up for those of us that do. If I made machine tools, I'd just write off NY and sell to states that actually embrace American manufacturing.

It will never actually go anywhere, Just another law on the books that is not feasible. I believe they have a certain amount of time to create a commission to make recommendations on feasibility and revisit in the future. Obviously, its near impossible, so this will never be spoken of again. All it matters is Kunty "did something" during an election year for the gun hating city dwellers.

 

[Phazer]

A Look at the States Declaring Jihad on Glocks

Explore the controversy as several states move to ban Glock pistols amid legal and political battles.

bearingarms.com

 

[Phazer]

Is New York Banning Glocks? (S399A Explained Simply)

A new NY bill targets “convertible pistols”—but what does that actually mean? Here’s a plain-English breakdown of S399A and who it affects.

nysafeinc.com

New York Senate Bill S399A, paired with Assembly Bill A199A, targets what the bill calls a "convertible pistol" — defined as a semi-automatic pistol with a cruciform trigger bar that can allegedly be converted into a machine gun using "common household tools." The bill walls off future commercial sales and transfers of such pistols, carving out exceptions for police, military, defense contractors, gunsmiths, and dealers.

Read that carefully. New York is not merely targeting an illegal conversion part. It is targeting a lawful semi-automatic handgun platform because of an alleged design susceptibility.

 

[livingston]

You’ll Never Believe How They Banned The Glock​

 

[livingston]

New York Budget Bill Effectively Bans Glocks and P320s

New York's budget bill reclassifies many common handguns as machine guns, including Glocks and Sig P320 pistols.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

The technical detail is what makes this provision so far-reaching. The “cruciform trigger bar” is a standard internal component found in many of the most popular handguns sold in America today, including:

• Glock pistols (essentially the entire Glock lineup), which are the best-selling handguns in the American civilian market
• Sig Sauer P320 pistols, including the M17 and M18 variants currently in use as the U.S. military’s standard sidearm
• Various Smith & Wesson M&P and other striker-fired models with similar trigger geometry

The cruciform trigger bar is a design feature of these pistols, not an aftermarket modification. It has existed in the Glock platform since the pistol’s introduction in 1982 and has been incorporated into countless handgun designs since then.

Under New York’s new law, possessing one of these handguns — even one purchased legally, even one that has never been modified, even one whose owner has never possessed an actual conversion device — is now classified as machine gun possession under state law. The legal status of the host pistol depends not on what has been done to it, but on whether it could theoretically be modified using “common household tools.”

FOLKS​

Thoughts on this interpretation.

 

[Saltwater60]

Everyone here seems to be focused on the glock ban. What about the ban on digital artwork that depicts a firearm, to include transmission or possession? What about the magical decree that all new CNC machines somehow have "blocking technology" that somehow makes the machine know what its making and not just moving coordinates (with state supplied magical software I am sure) or that now manufacturing otherwise unregulated components like barrels or slides puts one on the naughty list.

Yes, that matters, however millions of NYers own Glocks so the Glock ban is more impactful. Also, what handgun brand is next and how long before all handguns outside of revolvers and smart guns are banned?

 

[Saltwater60]

It will never actually go anywhere, Just another law on the books that is not feasible. I believe they have a certain amount of time to create a commission to make recommendations on feasibility and revisit in the future. Obviously, its near impossible, so this will never be spoken of again. All it matters is Kunty "did something" during an election year for the gun hating city dwellers.

Yep, feel good look what I did.

 

[Cavalry]

Yes, that matters, however millions of NYers own Glocks so the Glock ban is more impactful. Also, what handgun brand is next and how long before all handguns outside of revolvers and smart guns are banned?

Obviously that is the end goal, a bite at a time complete ban of absolutely everything.

 

[Saltwater60]

New York Budget Bill Effectively Bans Glocks and P320s

New York's budget bill reclassifies many common handguns as machine guns, including Glocks and Sig P320 pistols.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

The technical detail is what makes this provision so far-reaching. The “cruciform trigger bar” is a standard internal component found in many of the most popular handguns sold in America today, including:

• Glock pistols (essentially the entire Glock lineup), which are the best-selling handguns in the American civilian market
• Sig Sauer P320 pistols, including the M17 and M18 variants currently in use as the U.S. military’s standard sidearm
• Various Smith & Wesson M&P and other striker-fired models with similar trigger geometry

The cruciform trigger bar is a design feature of these pistols, not an aftermarket modification. It has existed in the Glock platform since the pistol’s introduction in 1982 and has been incorporated into countless handgun designs since then.

Under New York’s new law, possessing one of these handguns — even one purchased legally, even one that has never been modified, even one whose owner has never possessed an actual conversion device — is now classified as machine gun possession under state law. The legal status of the host pistol depends not on what has been done to it, but on whether it could theoretically be modified using “common household tools.”

FOLKS​

Thoughts on this interpretation.

Here is the bill that was passed. I don’t have time to read it now, but it has to be in there somewhere.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S9005/amendment/C

Many have the same analysis.

New State Firearm Bans! Maryland and Connecticut Laws Target "Machine Gun Convertible Pistols

Maryland SB 334 and Connecticut HB 5043 ban "machine gun convertible pistols." Effective dates, exemptions, penalties, and FFL compliance explained.

orchidadvisors.com

My understanding is that these are automatic by default so to speak, the cross section on the trigger bar catches the firing pin preventing it from being auto. The Glock switch puts a barrier on the rigger bar preventing it from catching the firing pin so it’s auto then. Really simple to do.
After making this comment I’m glad I don’t own any of the models listed.

 

[Cavalry]

New York Budget Bill Effectively Bans Glocks and P320s

New York's budget bill reclassifies many common handguns as machine guns, including Glocks and Sig P320 pistols.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

The technical detail is what makes this provision so far-reaching. The “cruciform trigger bar” is a standard internal component found in many of the most popular handguns sold in America today, including:

• Glock pistols (essentially the entire Glock lineup), which are the best-selling handguns in the American civilian market
• Sig Sauer P320 pistols, including the M17 and M18 variants currently in use as the U.S. military’s standard sidearm
• Various Smith & Wesson M&P and other striker-fired models with similar trigger geometry

The cruciform trigger bar is a design feature of these pistols, not an aftermarket modification. It has existed in the Glock platform since the pistol’s introduction in 1982 and has been incorporated into countless handgun designs since then.

Under New York’s new law, possessing one of these handguns — even one purchased legally, even one that has never been modified, even one whose owner has never possessed an actual conversion device — is now classified as machine gun possession under state law. The legal status of the host pistol depends not on what has been done to it, but on whether it could theoretically be modified using “common household tools.”

FOLKS​

Thoughts on this interpretation.

Cruciform trigger is specifically called out. Glock (and clones) yes, but I believe that the 320 and M&P do not have cruciform trigger bar. Everything is ambiguously written on purpose so I am sure a flintlock could be defined as a convertible pistol.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Does this also mean any AR15 type rifle is now illegal even if "safe compliant, or registered" because they have the ability to become a machine gun with a modified automatic sear?

Is this possible or am I overthinking

 

[Saltwater60]

Does this also mean any AR15 type rifle is now illegal even if "safe compliant, or registered" because they have the ability to become a machine gun with a modified automatic sear?

Is this possible or am I overthinking

You’re not. I have the same question. Depends on what they consider easily convertible. Is milling a frame that?

 

[Saltwater60]

So is Glock going to put up money and rightfully go after NYS ? Or will they let someone else carry the load?? Its happening in other states too, their wallet takes a hit either way.

I suspect they will use it as an opportunity to make money. I bet they make a drop in replacement trigger.

 

[Cavalry]

So here is the solution from Glock. Engineer a drop in trigger pack that does not have a cruciform trigger, price point of $100 the same as the pro trigger pack.
If they were a company that gave a fuck about fighting these bullshit states offer it at a significant discount (cost) upon return of the OE trigger after being installed by a certified armorer.

 

[Cavalry]

You’re not. I have the same question. Depends on what they consider easily convertible. Is milling a frame that?

"Common household tools" to include a dremel. I cannot think of any semi auto that cannot be converted

The key here is cruciform trigger. Its not a convertible pistol without one. Specifically stated in the law unless its a "tab notch or other piece of material can be readily removed"

 

[Brawny71]

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/A10005/amendment/A

I believe this is it

Page 6. Interesting info on immigration enforcement as well. No wonder the “Budget” is three months late.

 

[Brawny71]

So here is the solution from Glock. Engineer a drop in trigger pack that does not have a cruciform trigger, price point of $100 the same as the pro trigger pack.
If they were a company that gave a fuck about fighting these bullshit states offer it at a significant discount (cost) upon return of the OE trigger after being installed by a certified armorer.

They already have a line of them; “NYS Compliant “

 

[GOPerfect]

This is my point. It’s glocks today, Ar’s tomorrow, sig’s and all other striker fired pistols comes soon after.

I hope so. Maybe then the gun owners of this fucking state will get off their asses and vote.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I hope so. Maybe then the gun owners of this fucking state will get off their asses and vote.

Not likely.

Too many fudds. They just need their 30-06 and pappys 12g and they got theirs no one else needs more than that.l

My neighbor told me a story once, he was at his hunting camp with his hunting buddies, my neighbor had pistols and was carrying, they were going to start drinking beer and playing cards after a day out unsuccessful in the woods and he pulled his shirt up, unclipped his holster and brought his holstered gun out and set it on a shelf.... At a hunting camp around all gun owning adults when there are already shotguns all over the place. Half of them went silent and kept staring nervously. He very clearly and obviously made a demonstration of clearing it and unloading it but it didn't change their weirdness and unease of having it around.

He said it was beyond bizarre the way they reacted to him carrying a pistol and then just casually setting it aside like it was any other shotgun laying around, they looked at it like it was radioactive.

Not all gun owners are the same.

 

[Cavalry]

They already have a line of them; “NYS Compliant “

I am not familiar with any glock product specifically tailored to NY other than the NYPD trigger. Can you expand on that?

 

[Saltwater60]

Not likely.

Too many fudds. They just need their 30-06 and pappys 12g and they got theirs no one else needs more than that.l

My neighbor told me a story once, he was at his hunting camp with his hunting buddies, my neighbor had pistols and was carrying, they were going to start drinking beer and playing cards after a day out unsuccessful in the woods and he pulled his shirt up, unclipped his holster and brought his holstered gun out and set it on a shelf.... At a hunting camp around all gun owning adults when there are already shotguns all over the place. Half of them went silent and kept staring nervously. He very clearly and obviously made a demonstration of clearing it and unloading it but it didn't change their weirdness and unease of having it around.

He said it was beyond bizarre the way they reacted to him carrying a pistol and then just casually setting it aside like it was any other shotgun laying around, they looked at it like it was radioactive.

Not all gun owners are the same.

Yes, it’s bad. There are many that feel they only need a shot gun and a few boxes of slugs for deer camp.
I’ve been given crap for hunting with a rifle in few seasons back.