You didn't build that... AR

[Frankly]

Stole that from Obama haha.

You ~ assembled ~ your AR. Unless you started with parts rawer than the various retail versions, there was nothing made, cut, or fitted. Some people can even mess this up but with care, the vast majority can complete a successful working rifle in 30 to 90 minutes.

Dropping a spring or detent might stall the process but still it's not like cutting dovetails or freehand engraving.

It doesn't make you a gunsmith or a craftsperson. So maybe be honest and don't claim stolen valor from the legit gunsmiths?

 

[Podmonkey]

Um...... okay?

 

[spat]

Stole that from Obama haha.

You ~ assembled ~ your AR. Unless you started with parts rawer than the various retail versions, there was nothing made, cut, or fitted. Some people can even mess this up but with care, the vast majority can complete a successful working rifle in 30 to 90 minutes.

Dropping a spring or detent might stall the process but still it's not like cutting dovetails or freehand engraving.

It doesn't make you a gunsmith or a craftsperson. So maybe be honest and don't claim stolen valor from the legit gunsmiths?

How about the guys who start with an 80% ?

 

[Podmonkey]

How about the guys who start with an 80% ?

Even CETME L parts kit guys that fold and weld their own receiver flats aren't manufacturers.

 

[spat]

Even CETME L parts kit guys that fold and weld their own receiver flats aren't manufacturers.

So I need to do what, refine my own bauxite ?

 

[Jem45472]

How about the guys who start with an 80% ?

My 80% here

 

[Darth]

Stole that from Obama haha.

You ~ assembled ~ your AR. Unless you started with parts rawer than the various retail versions, there was nothing made, cut, or fitted. Some people can even mess this up but with care, the vast majority can complete a successful working rifle in 30 to 90 minutes.

Dropping a spring or detent might stall the process but still it's not like cutting dovetails or freehand engraving.

It doesn't make you a gunsmith or a craftsperson. So maybe be honest and don't claim stolen valor from the legit gunsmiths?

I built my gaming PC (allegedly) with just a bunch of parts.

When Dell peddles crap PCs at higher prices, does this make me Intel?

Do carpenters not build homes because they bought 2x4s?

I'm confused.

 

[Podmonkey]

So I need to do what, refine my own bauxite ?

Well that's just silly. If you are machining/forging/tooling your own recievers and/or parts you are a manufacturer.

 

[Darth]

Well that's just silly. If you are machining/forging/tooling your own recievers and/or parts you are a manufacturer.

According to the ATF, I think cosmetic engraving means you are a manufacturer...

 

[Podmonkey]

According to the ATF, I think cosmetic engraving means you are a manufacturer...

So if I take an 80% or even finished AR receiver and engrave my name on it the ATF says I "manufactured it? What constitutes "engraving"? Acid etch? Electro pencil? Roll stamp?

 

[Darth]

So if I take an 80% or even finished AR receiver and engrave my name on it the ATF says I "manufactured it? What constitutes "engraving"? Acid etch? Electro pencil? Roll stamp?

Possession?

Ask the ATF?

 

[GOYABEAN]

Some assembly required

 

[Marine Cpl]

Do carpenters not build homes because they bought 2x4s?

I'm confused.

If the 2x4's have predrilled holes and are cut like IKEA pieces, then no. If they have to do their own measuring, sawing, drilling, and sanding, then yes.

Same for the AR.

 

[Darth]

If the 2x4's have predrilled holes and are cut like Ikea pieces, then no. If they have to do their own measuring, sawing, drilling, and sanding, then yes.

Same for the AR.

You just triggered @Dayten AF!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Does that mean that when I took apart my completely bought 9mm AR from Lone Wolf to paint it, I built it after it dried and I reassembled it?

 

[spat]

Well that's just silly. If you are machining/forging/tooling your own recievers and/or parts you are a manufacturer.

I would think that covers the 80% guys, who have to mill their own FCG pockets, and drill their own holes for pins.....

 

[spat]

Does that mean that when I took apart my completely bought 9mm AR from Lone Wolf to paint it, I built it after it dried and I reassembled it?

You rebuilt it.....

If I take a car engine and disassemble it, inspect it, and replace the parts (if any) that are out of spec, or disposable, I am widely considered to have "rebuilt" the engine, even if I never create one chip of metal....

 

[Figment]

I guess I don't get the point of the question. Are you asking if you could be charged with a crime for manufacturing a rifle from parts? If so, then heck no. No different than building something with lego's. You didn't manufacture anything if you assembled a rifle from a stripped lower. I certainly know of no precedent where someone was charged because they put in their own LPK and attached an upper. Weird question in my mind. The lower is the "rifle" and the rest is just assembly of already manufactured parts.

The talk about disassembling a rifle and reassembling it being manufacturing makes no sense to me. I bet everyone on this forum has done that to some gun when doing a deep cleaning and lubing. Sorry, does not compute to manufacturing.

 

[spat]

I guess I don't get the point of the question. Are you asking if you could be charged with a crime for manufacturing a rifle from parts? If so, then heck no. No different than building something with lego's. You didn't manufacture anything if you assembled a rifle from a stripped lower. I certainly know of no precedent where someone was charged because they put in their own LPK and attached an upper. Weird question in my mind. The lower is the "rifle" and the rest is just assembly of already manufactured parts.

The talk about disassembling a rifle and reassembling it being manufacturing makes no sense to me. I bet everyone on this forum has done that to some gun when doing a deep cleaning and lubing. Sorry, does not compute to manufacturing.

There is no criminal charge for manufacturing a gun yourself, only for being in the business of manufacturing without a license. If your in business without a license it doesn't matter if you never even touch them, you still need a license (although different ones for selling , for gunsmithing, and for manufacturing)

From a legal standpoint, if you start with a serialized receiver and build a gun from there, you are gunsmithing. If you start from unserialized raw material you are manufacturing.

 

[spat]

If the 2x4's have predrilled holes and are cut like IKEA pieces, then no. If they have to do their own measuring, sawing, drilling, and sanding, then yes.

Same for the AR.

So, who built the IKEA house then, IKEA ? Even though the last time they touched it, it was a series of palletized loads on a truck ?

What if it wasn't a "house kit", but you just ordered all your lumber pre cut to your specifications, who is the "builder" then ?

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Wait, ......are we building this thread???

 

[dsdmmat]

Stole that from Obama haha.

You ~ assembled ~ your AR. Unless you started with parts rawer than the various retail versions, there was nothing made, cut, or fitted. Some people can even mess this up but with care, the vast majority can complete a successful working rifle in 30 to 90 minutes.

Dropping a spring or detent might stall the process but still it's not like cutting dovetails or freehand engraving.

It doesn't make you a gunsmith or a craftsperson. So maybe be honest and don't claim stolen valor from the legit gunsmiths?

I love these type of nonsensical posts.................. I see the same argument from the M14 guys all they time. They think because they screwed in the barrel and finish cut a short chamber they some how have built a rifle, whereas the AR guys just assembled parts. Got news for ya. it is all assembly and fitting, aka "building."
Google

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synonyms: construct, erect, put up, assemble; More
make, form, create, fashion, model, shape
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• commission, finance, and oversee the building of (something).
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  compile (a program, database, index, etc.).
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  synonyms: establish, found, set up, institute, inaugurate, initiate More
  "they are building a business strategy"
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  synonyms: expand on, enlarge on, develop, elaborate, flesh out, embellish, amplify; More
  refine, improve, perfect
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  synonyms: boost, strengthen, increase, improve, augment, raise, enhance, swell;
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noun
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   the dimensions or proportions of a person's or animal's body.
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as·sem·ble
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VERB
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1. (of people) gather together in one place for a common purpose:
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   • entomology
     (assembling)
     (of male moths) gather for mating in response to a pheromone released by a female.
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   synonyms: construct · build · fabricate · manufacture · erect · set up ·
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[ProgSpear]

Hey @dsdmmat , haven't you learned anything from liberals? Words mean what you want them to mean, not what they mean...

 

[dsdmmat]

Hey @dsdmmat , haven't you learned anything from liberals? Words mean what you want them to mean, not what they mean...

I liken these type discussions to dick measuring contests using micrometers.
Both are a sad waste of time and energy.

 

[ProgSpear]

a micrometer is a poor substitute for a brinnell tester.

 

[Magnus]

a micrometer is a poor substitute for a brinnell tester.

It's all about the Rockwell test block.

 

[Robin]

WARNING: No detents were used in the construction of these AR's (American Longrifles)!

Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

So, who built the IKEA house then, IKEA ? Even though the last time they touched it, it was a series of palletized loads on a truck ?

What if it wasn't a "house kit", but you just ordered all your lumber pre cut to your specifications, who is the "builder" then ?

In that case, the IKEA engineer designed it and you assembled it.

In the case of precut lumber sizing, as long as the holes where the screws go weren't predrilled, the builder still built it. He just had Home Depot cut the lumber as per his specifications.

It's all in the law. Ability to accept a screw is the key word.

 

[ProgSpear]

We all have the "ability to accept a screw", especially when it's "the law". The question is whether we will or not.

 

[zzrguy]

Stole that from Obama haha.

You ~ assembled ~ your AR. Unless you started with parts rawer than the various retail versions, there was nothing made, cut, or fitted. Some people can even mess this up but with care, the vast majority can complete a successful working rifle in 30 to 90 minutes.

Dropping a spring or detent might stall the process but still it's not like cutting dovetails or freehand engraving.

It doesn't make you a gunsmith or a craftsperson. So maybe be honest and don't claim stolen valor from the legit gunsmiths?

Well sorry to tell you I built my AR hand fitted my trigger and trued up the upper and de-burred the gas port on the barrel cut and re-crowned the barrel trued the bolt face and finished cutting the chamber.

So you show any gunsmiths that started from a chunk of Aluminum and hand you AR upper and lower and steel rod and hands you a barrel. They buy all they AR parts to and some of the Smith assembled AR are junk.