Creating a NY pistol permit map

[NE-NY]

Clinton County up in the Northeast corner should be orange. They issue with a hunting, trapping, or target shooting restriction printed on it in red. Haven't tried getting it removed, as I carry a small paper target in my wallet at all times. "Yes, officer, I WAS just target practicing".

CLINTON is Orange AT LEAST. Unless you know someone close to county.gov! I arrived here active duty '79, and had my original Allegany Unrestricted---did a lot of required target on base, so carried regularly. Looked into Clinton when I bought a semi---shop owner said don't do it,so I amended w/Allegany by mail(EASY). NOW I'm transferred to CLINTON, UNRESTRICTED as of Jan '17, 'cause NYSP Pistol Bureau said CLINTON CANNOT change it without cause! So I'm good to go. But friends here are pretty much all restricted for 30+ years I've been here. I'd call CLINTON RED.

 

[chris1977]

CLINTON is Orange AT LEAST. Unless you know someone close to county.gov! I arrived here active duty '79, and had my original Allegany Unrestricted---did a lot of required target on base, so carried regularly. Looked into Clinton when I bought a semi---shop owner said don't do it,so I amended w/Allegany by mail(EASY). NOW I'm transferred to CLINTON, UNRESTRICTED as of Jan '17, 'cause NYSP Pistol Bureau said CLINTON CANNOT change it without cause! So I'm good to go. But friends here are pretty much all restricted for 30+ years I've been here. I'd call CLINTON RED.

Actually you can have the restrictions removed in Clinton. I have had my permit for about 6 months now and had my restrictions removed after taking safety course. There is now a course that is required before issuance for permit. This, as I am understanding, also gives the new permits issued restriction free.

EDIT: As a note is should technically be moved to Yellow since with a little effort restrictions can be removed!

 

[NE-NY]

Actually you can have the restrictions removed in Clinton. I have had my permit for about 6 months now and had my restrictions removed after taking safety course. There is now a course that is required before issuance for permit. This, as I am understanding, also gives the new permits issued restriction free.

EDIT: As a note is should technically be moved to Yellow since with a little effort restrictions can be removed!

EDIT: We'll see----neighbor with a one-year-old totally RESTRICTED is gonna' try next week!

 

[chris1977]

Have him submit a letter to the judge. Took about a week or so to get my response. Times have changed and the new judge is willing to work with permit holders to have the restrictions removed. If his is a year old he may not be required to take the course. My options for removal of #3 was a year without an issue or taking a course approved by the court. I chose the course and glad I did.

 

[NE-NY]

Have him submit a letter to the judge. Took about a week or so to get my response. Times have changed and the new judge is willing to work with permit holders to have the restrictions removed. If his is a year old he may not be required to take the course. My options for removal of #3 was a year without an issue or taking a course approved by the court. I chose the course and glad I did.

Thanks for the headsup, Chris----will pass that on tonite! ;-)

 

[BerettaGuy]

I would love to see the same type of map showing the arbitrary and capriciousness of the system by "wait times" "Reference requirements" ETC.

 

[ADK]

Chris, You are the first person I have heard of that had the restrictions removed. Good for you. Bill Favreau the newly elected Republican Judge
is doing the right thing.

 

[chris1977]

There are quite a few so far. As mentioned there are things that need to be done in order to happen. The course is now a requirement for a permit. While I don't fully agree with everyone needing ti take it I do feel that those qho have never held a firearm should take it as it is very informative. At least 3 of the gentlemen there had never fired a pistol. The previous judge had removed 2 guys who had only had their permits just over a year while denying others. I am curious how @NE-NY neighbor made out.

 

[NE-NY]

CHRIS: Both of us have been away----was just checking mail & saw your post......he hasn't heard back yet, but said he's going to check on it this week. I'll get back to you.

 

[ADK]

There are quite a few so far. As mentioned there are things that need to be done in order to happen. The course is now a requirement for a permit. While I don't fully agree with everyone needing ti take it I do feel that those qho have never held a firearm should take it as it is very informative. At least 3 of the gentlemen there had never fired a pistol. The previous judge had removed 2 guys who had only had their permits just over a year while denying others. I am curious how @NE-NY neighbor made out.

So who gave you the safety course. I see they started that in July. I am a NRA certified pistol instructor. I never had to take a course when I got my permit but that was long ago.

 

[chris1977]

The email addy is pistolpermittraining@gmail.com. I believe he used to be the CERT sgt for Clinton Correctional. There are more instructors.

 

[Grimscale]

If this is being updated still:
Orleans County usually issues an unrestricted permit, or at least they did when I got mine seven years ago. And the permitting process is usually fairly quick and easy.

 

[AirGun]

I agree. The wording of the green shading from the NYFirearms site is more appropriate to Sullivan County than the wording on NirvanaFan's new map.

Sullivan County is still blank - pjzwtl and I agreed it should be green back in May.

 

[DoD1776]

why is St. Lawrence like that? is it cause of arms dealing? Like smuggling guns over to Canada

 

[Exonautic]

why is St. Lawrence like that? is it cause of arms dealing? Like smuggling guns over to Canada

You've been watching a lot of crime shows haven't you?

 

[DoD1776]

You've been watching a lot of crime shows haven't you?

well, it's a guess

 

[libertysnake]

well, it's a guess

The right answer here is a failure to uphold the constitution.

 

[libertysnake]

The amazing thing about this whole situation, is just how utterly wrong it is. I really hope that someday our crazy and unconstitutional laws here get struck down, and, - at a minimum, - we at least change to "shall issue" rather than dealing with all of the bullshit imposed by Napoleon types in every little area wherever they can inject their personal prejudices.

A case in point: when I applied for my CCW, and the Erie County PPO laughingly told me that it would be at least a year, I complained that they were not following the law in NY that gives them 6 months. They in turn complained to my local PD , and my local chief actually recommended (in writing, - I have a copy of his handwritten note) that they deny me because if I didn't "respect the process, and the 1 year + timeframe", then I didn't deserve a permit!

The other thing about that is that I found out that at the very same time he was trying to get me denied, his PD wanted to get CCW's for their civilian dispatchers (who, incidentally, sit behind concrete block walls, bulletproof glass, and are surrounded by armed officers as well), and when the PPO told them that the dispatchers permits would also take more than a year, THAT MY LOCAL PD COMPLAINED BITTERLY TO THE PPO ABOUT THAT, AND PRESSURED THEM TO GET THE DISPATCHERS PERMITS EXPEDITED!

Sooooo, when a peon like me complains, I need to be denied, but when some privileged civilian employee is facing the same delays, they are entitled to special treatment.

The judge saw through that BS, and I got my permit. As for the chief, well, I know the members of this forum know what I could write here, but won't.

Were you denied in the first place? How much extra effort had to be done to even get the permit?

I feel like a lot of these counties will fold if someone appeals to the state level courts, since they know they have no grounds for denial that are reasonable.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Were you denied in the first place? How much extra effort had to be done to even get the permit?

I feel like a lot of these counties will fold if someone appeals to the state level courts, since they know they have no grounds for denial that are reasonable.

Under NY's system, - in the upstate counties, the decision to grant or deny a permit rests with a NY State Supreme Court Judge, - not the police, and not the County pistol permit office. The PPO runs a bunch of checks, and your local PD runs other checks on you, and typically does an interview with you.

My local PD Chief recommended to the Judge that I be denied as I noted in the post you quoted. The judge felt otherwise and issued me an Unrestricted permit. That Chief and I...well, let's just say that we don't see eye to eye. He tried to have my permit revoked a couple of years ago, and succeeded in getting it suspended until I went to NY Supreme Court and another judge immediately reinstated it 1 day after my hearing. And it is exactly the kind of BS I have documented in several threads that are why "may issue" needs to be struck down.

Consider what happened that gave the Chief the slimmest of excuses to write the PPO and "demand that my permit be revoked": I was sitting home one evening when the doorbell rang and my ex wife was there wanting to talk to me about money along with her boyfriend / forensic accountant / landlord,- and coincidentally a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions, and I have reported to my local PD,- and he even admitted to threatening my life to them,- yet they refused to charge him!

My ex asked me to come out and meet with her at the end of my driveway to talk while dickhead was in their car. As I walked down the driveway, he begins screaming that I've "got a gun" under my shirt. I did not,- but I had a backup in a pocket. When he continued screaming AT ME, they decide to call 911. Why? Because when he started to get out of their car, I told him to stay in his car and stay the fuck away from me, and off of my property. So, of course, two cop cars show up. I properly informed them I was carrying. I was completely calm and courteous, even when I was frisked and then disarmed. I made a point to tell the officer that he missed the extra ammo I was carrying and he was not happy about that.

At the end of the call, they gave me my BUG back in pieces and unloaded, and everyone went on their way. No harm, no threats, and no foul. At least I thought so. Six months later my permit gets suspended. Why? I had not been arrested, committed, or had any OOP taken against me. I thought, WTF is going on here?

Turns out that the Chief of my local PD who didn't like my attitude of complaining when I applied about the PPO not following the law, had written a letter 2 days after the call at my home, demanding revocation. His reasoning: I had used profanity, and was carrying ammo for my BUG! Seriously!

When I went to court to get my suspended permit reinstated, among the questions that judge asked me, were about the profanity and the ammo. It was also the first time I learned about the Chief writing a letter, which was strange, because before I went to court, I FOIA'd all records at my local PD, and got no letter. Even better, when I confronted the Chief over it and demanded a copy, he lied to my face and said he never wrote any such letter. I now have a copy of it through other channels.

My answers to the judge were to the effect of defending my use of profanity to dissuade asshole from advancing on me further while I remained on my own property, and pointing out that a gun without ammo was just a piece of steel. The judge agreed with me, laughed in court, and immediately rescinded the permit suspension.

One thing still bothered me at the time,- how and why did my ex and the asshole know I had a permit / firearm? It turned out that a member of the local PD had disclosed the existence of my permit to her a couple of days before they showed up at my home. Of course, that was in violation of NY penal law Section 400 as I had filed the form to prevent public disclosure of my permit as I had reason to fear being harassed over it,- which is exactly what happened when that officer disclosed it to the girlfriend of a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions. And the police reports detailing those threats are right there in the same PD files.

Bottom line for me: may issue can suck when some little Napoleon type LEO gets his panties in a twist.

Oh yeah,- one more thing: I know people who are currently waiting for their permits here in Erie County, and their wait times are in excess of 15 months to date, with the PPO telling them it may only be a few more months...

Most applicants are running scared at the prospect of complaining as I did, lest they end up on a shit list or worse. Can you blame them?

 

[libertysnake]

Under NY's system, - in the upstate counties, the decision to grant or deny a permit rests with a NY State Supreme Court Judge, - not the police, and not the County pistol permit office. The PPO runs a bunch of checks, and your local PD runs other checks on you, and typically does an interview with you.

My local PD Chief recommended to the Judge that I be denied as I noted in the post you quoted. The judge felt otherwise and issued me an Unrestricted permit. That Chief and I...well, let's just say that we don't see eye to eye. He tried to have my permit revoked a couple of years ago, and succeeded in getting it suspended until I went to NY Supreme Court and another judge immediately reinstated it 1 day after my hearing. And it is exactly the kind of BS I have documented in several threads that are why "may issue" needs to be struck down.

Consider what happened that gave the Chief the slimmest of excuses to write the PPO and "demand that my permit be revoked": I was sitting home one evening when the doorbell rang and my ex wife was there wanting to talk to me about money along with her boyfriend / forensic accountant / landlord,- and coincidentally a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions, and I have reported to my local PD,- and he even admitted to threatening my life to them,- yet they refused to charge him!

My ex asked me to come out and meet with her at the end of my driveway to talk while dickhead was in their car. As I walked down the driveway, he begins screaming that I've "got a gun" under my shirt. I did not,- but I had a backup in a pocket. When he continued screaming AT ME, they decide to call 911. Why? Because when he started to get out of their car, I told him to stay in his car and stay the fuck away from me, and off of my property. So, of course, two cop cars show up. I properly informed them I was carrying. I was completely calm and courteous, even when I was frisked and then disarmed. I made a point to tell the officer that he missed the extra ammo I was carrying and he was not happy about that.

At the end of the call, they gave me my BUG back in pieces and unloaded, and everyone went on their way. No harm, no threats, and no foul. At least I thought so. Six months later my permit gets suspended. Why? I had not been arrested, committed, or had any OOP taken against me. I thought, WTF is going on here?

Turns out that the Chief of my local PD who didn't like my attitude of complaining when I applied about the PPO not following the law, had written a letter 2 days after the call at my home, demanding revocation. His reasoning: I had used profanity, and was carrying ammo for my BUG! Seriously!

When I went to court to get my suspended permit reinstated, among the questions that judge asked me, were about the profanity and the ammo. It was also the first time I learned about the Chief writing a letter, which was strange, because before I went to court, I FOIA'd all records at my local PD, and got no letter. Even better, when I confronted the Chief over it and demanded a copy, he lied to my face and said he never wrote any such letter. I now have a copy of it through other channels.

My answers to the judge were to the effect of defending my use of profanity to dissuade asshole from advancing on me further while I remained on my own property, and pointing out that a gun without ammo was just a piece of steel. The judge agreed with me, laughed in court, and immediately rescinded the permit suspension.

One thing still bothered me at the time,- how and why did my ex and the asshole know I had a permit / firearm? It turned out that a member of the local PD had disclosed the existence of my permit to her a couple of days before they showed up at my home. Of course, that was in violation of NY penal law Section 400 as I had filed the form to prevent public disclosure of my permit as I had reason to fear being harassed over it,- which is exactly what happened when that officer disclosed it to the girlfriend of a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions. And the police reports detailing those threats are right there in the same PD files.

Bottom line for me: may issue can suck when some little Napoleon type LEO gets his panties in a twist.

Oh yeah,- one more thing: I know people who are currently waiting for their permits here in Erie County, and their wait times are in excess of 15 months to date, with the PPO telling them it may only be a few more months...

Most applicants are running scared at the prospect of complaining as I did, lest they end up on a shit list or worse. Can you blame them?

I'm in Dutchess, and I thought the decisions were being made at the local level, judge wise? My permit was approved by a Dutchess County judge, not by a supreme court judge.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I'm in Dutchess, and I thought the decisions were being made at the local level, judge wise? My permit was approved by a Dutchess County judge, not by a supreme court judge.

To the best of my knowledge, permits outside of NYC and Nassau County are made by a NY Supreme Court judge. Some counties have more than one, - I think Westchester is one of those. And those judgeships are elected,- typically to 10 year terms. I am not aware of the setup there in Dutchess.

But then again, here in NY, things sometimes lack any uniformity between counties and this is perhaps just one example. With CCW permits, some counties issue nothing but Undestricted, while others have a judge that issues nothing BUT Restricted permits (like St. Lawrence county right now).

 

[libertysnake]

To the best of my knowledge, permits outside of NYC and Nassau County are made by a NY Supreme Court judge. Some counties have more than one, - I think Westchester is one of those. And those judgeships are elected,- typically to 10 year terms. I am not aware of the setup there in Dutchess.

But then again, here in NY, things sometimes lack any uniformity between counties and this is perhaps just one example. With CCW permits, some counties issue nothing but Undestricted, while others have a judge that issues nothing BUT Restricted permits (like St. Lawrence county right now).

True. The judge here in Dutchess who approves them seems to very pro-2A. I've never had a single problem. They approved my permit (although it took a full year), and they've approved every pistol I've wanted to buy so far. The PPO office seems either pro-2A or just very helpful and courteous as well. Always friendly.

I think with co-registering a few guns, which Dutchess allows with your parents, I'm up to about seven on my license so far. This newest one I'm applying for soon will be number eight. The process is normally smooth as butter, and the turn around time is within a week, maybe two tops, for a purchase approval.

 

[BuffNiag]

How is Erie not orange? You are looking at spending serious time or money to get restrictions removed. The rediculous wait times should be factored in as well.

 

[M_F]

Western Suffolk County only issues "sportsman" to/from range/hunting only carry permits, no unrestricted permits issued to us serfs, "business" carry permits are issued to business owners that handle plenty of cash. Nassau County no longer cares about how much cash is handled and is more lenient with the "business carry " endorsement. I don't know about Eastern Suffolk permits issued by the Sheriff Department.
This state and the abuse of "proper cause" is a joke.
FUAC
timmy sullivan may you forever rot in hell you POS

 

[Edwardteach72]

Chemung should be extra green (they give Bradford county PA residents their license as well)

 

[freddy]

Under NY's system, - in the upstate counties, the decision to grant or deny a permit rests with a NY State Supreme Court Judge, - not the police, and not the County pistol permit office. The PPO runs a bunch of checks, and your local PD runs other checks on you, and typically does an interview with you.

My local PD Chief recommended to the Judge that I be denied as I noted in the post you quoted. The judge felt otherwise and issued me an Unrestricted permit. That Chief and I...well, let's just say that we don't see eye to eye. He tried to have my permit revoked a couple of years ago, and succeeded in getting it suspended until I went to NY Supreme Court and another judge immediately reinstated it 1 day after my hearing. And it is exactly the kind of BS I have documented in several threads that are why "may issue" needs to be struck down.

Consider what happened that gave the Chief the slimmest of excuses to write the PPO and "demand that my permit be revoked": I was sitting home one evening when the doorbell rang and my ex wife was there wanting to talk to me about money along with her boyfriend / forensic accountant / landlord,- and coincidentally a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions, and I have reported to my local PD,- and he even admitted to threatening my life to them,- yet they refused to charge him!

My ex asked me to come out and meet with her at the end of my driveway to talk while dickhead was in their car. As I walked down the driveway, he begins screaming that I've "got a gun" under my shirt. I did not,- but I had a backup in a pocket. When he continued screaming AT ME, they decide to call 911. Why? Because when he started to get out of their car, I told him to stay in his car and stay the fuck away from me, and off of my property. So, of course, two cop cars show up. I properly informed them I was carrying. I was completely calm and courteous, even when I was frisked and then disarmed. I made a point to tell the officer that he missed the extra ammo I was carrying and he was not happy about that.

At the end of the call, they gave me my BUG back in pieces and unloaded, and everyone went on their way. No harm, no threats, and no foul. At least I thought so. Six months later my permit gets suspended. Why? I had not been arrested, committed, or had any OOP taken against me. I thought, WTF is going on here?

Turns out that the Chief of my local PD who didn't like my attitude of complaining when I applied about the PPO not following the law, had written a letter 2 days after the call at my home, demanding revocation. His reasoning: I had used profanity, and was carrying ammo for my BUG! Seriously!

When I went to court to get my suspended permit reinstated, among the questions that judge asked me, were about the profanity and the ammo. It was also the first time I learned about the Chief writing a letter, which was strange, because before I went to court, I FOIA'd all records at my local PD, and got no letter. Even better, when I confronted the Chief over it and demanded a copy, he lied to my face and said he never wrote any such letter. I now have a copy of it through other channels.

My answers to the judge were to the effect of defending my use of profanity to dissuade asshole from advancing on me further while I remained on my own property, and pointing out that a gun without ammo was just a piece of steel. The judge agreed with me, laughed in court, and immediately rescinded the permit suspension.

One thing still bothered me at the time,- how and why did my ex and the asshole know I had a permit / firearm? It turned out that a member of the local PD had disclosed the existence of my permit to her a couple of days before they showed up at my home. Of course, that was in violation of NY penal law Section 400 as I had filed the form to prevent public disclosure of my permit as I had reason to fear being harassed over it,- which is exactly what happened when that officer disclosed it to the girlfriend of a man who has threatened my life on multiple occasions. And the police reports detailing those threats are right there in the same PD files.

Bottom line for me: may issue can suck when some little Napoleon type LEO gets his panties in a twist.

Oh yeah,- one more thing: I know people who are currently waiting for their permits here in Erie County, and their wait times are in excess of 15 months to date, with the PPO telling them it may only be a few more months...

Most applicants are running scared at the prospect of complaining as I did, lest they end up on a shit list or worse. Can you blame them?

Wow!

 

[Gonzobird]

In Lewis County the permit is not that hard to get.

You have to have lived her for six months and your references can't be related to you and have to live in the county.

You get a restricted permit and within six months you have to take a live fire course or your permit gets revoked.

After your live fire course you can usually get your restrictions removed.

I moved into the county with an unrestricted permit from Ulster county and did not have to go through the above. I just had to pay $16 and they wait for the judge to review my file and they gave me a Lewis county permit.

As for adding pistols to your permit it is same day no wait and $3 bucks for up to three at a time.

 

[Bcs guy]

From what I heard from a buddy who got his PP in Genesee county they don't come with restrictions like they used to under Judge Noonan (or however you spell his name)

 

[Acer-m14]

In Lewis County the permit is not that hard to get.

You have to have lived her for six months and your references can't be related to you and have to live in the county.

You get a restricted permit and within six months you have to take a live fire course or your permit gets revoked.

just awesome for a female that runs to a friend that live there hiding from a Ex .. here is a restraining order piece of paper ..

 

[KingHugh]

Columbia county should be green. County clerks office is a dream to work with.