Another FUAC Anti-Gun Bill

[Catskillkid]

Domestic abusers are scum, but I can see this legislation ripe for abuse. FUAC!

Dear Fellow New Yorker:

After a year of deadly mass shootings, and given the clear connection between domestic violence and gun violence, it is our moral obligation to do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. That is why today I am announcing legislation to automatically remove all firearms from those who commit any domestic violence crime.

This common sense measure will keep guns away from those who have been convicted of violent behavior and will help make New York a safer state for all. But the NRA and their allies will do everything they can to stop it from becoming law.

That’s why I am asking you to become a citizen co-sponsor of this life-saving legislation.

Become a cosponsor of this life-saving bill.


In nine of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in United States history, including Las Vegas and Sutherland Springs, the shooter had an existing record of committing violence against women, threatening violence against women, or harassing or disparaging women. Given this link between domestic violence and gun violence, our legislation will require all domestic violence crime convictions, including misdemeanors, to result in the immediate surrender of all firearms.

New York has some of the strongest gun control laws in the nation. But the law currently doesn't do enough to stop convicted perpetrators of domestic violence from killing. This legislation changes that.

Add your name: Cosponsor this life-saving bill.

Thank you for your help in making New York a safe place for all.

Ever Upward,

Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

 

[swilliams]

In nine of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in United States history, including Las Vegas and Sutherland Springs, the shooter had an existing record of committing violence against women, threatening violence against women, or harassing or disparaging women. Given this link between domestic violence and gun violence, our legislation will require all domestic violence crime convictions, including misdemeanors, to result in the immediate surrender of all firearms.

Is there a reward? Can I quote the Amy Schumer thread on here, turn you all in, and get rich?

 

[1911guy]

No gun ownership for Democrats or their bodyguards. Then I will sign

 

[Calculon]

Any accusation or allegation Is immediate grounds for revocation of your rights? Sounds about right for FUAC.

This was my main concern with the recent rush to convict the Hollywood pervs in the court of public opinion. While I’m certain most if not all of them are guilty of the abuse they are accused of, our system was built on innocent until PROVEN guilty. This is typical liberal rule by emotional response and ripe for misuse.

 

[Burzum]

Give the Dems credit they can attack both the 1st and 2nd Amendment in one retarded proposed law.

 

[Tinman]

FUAC

 

[Saltwater60]

Here's the issue how do you defend against this. There is no defense. You try to say it's bad your made to look worse. While I do agree violent domestic abusers or any truly violent person should not have guns this is ripe for over use. It's already being done in most of NYS. Any allegation of domestic abuse your guns are gone now even if there is no arrest being made. The difference is you could petition for your guns back now you won't be able to.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Just curious. I wonder how many Democrat politicians who secretly have guns and have done something illegal still have them.

 

[Darth]

In nine of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in United States history, including Las Vegas and Sutherland Springs, the shooter had an existing record of committing violence against women, threatening violence against women, or harassing or disparaging women

But men can go f themselves it seems...

 

[togmaster]

Ever upward his ass!

 

[GOYABEAN]

I wonder when are they bringing back the Scarlett letter or public lashings or bring back the stocks

 

[Airborneguy]

Can’t wait to move.

 

[thegatman]

I am so glad that Cuomo is also strengthing the laws around felons caught with guns in the commission of a crime. The liberal judges are making sure they all go to jail. Wait!!!! I could be wrong.

 

[Defilade]

But the NRA and theirallies will do everything they can to stop itfrom becoming law./QUOTE]

No worries there..

 

[Catskillkid]

This is what we've become. While the email text from Gov. Monkeyface says conviction you know allegations will have the staties showing up to take your guns. And even if you get a day in court and have the charges dropped good luck getting them back.

Is this Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia that we're living in? A short, unsubstantiated allegation gets you a visit from the secret police who remove your property without any sort of just compensation?

Domestic violence is a serious issues. So is sexual harassment and assault. But you know what else is? False allegations, because regardless of what the feminazis say they can and do occur all the time. But there's punishment for that, rich right? Due process is all but dead in this state. That's what these hags from #metoo and Everytown and all the rest want. And the sheep will go along with it because...feelings? And while likely men do more of the abusing women also abuse men. Where is their justice? The "patriarchy" isn't protecting them then now is it?

He can't confiscate guns outright so he'll ban as many of the features as he can get away with. Need mental health counseling? They're gone too. Take a certain prescription medication? Bam, now they're gone as well. Now we have this. Anytime a man makes a woman feel uncomfortable his rights are gone for good and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it even if the accusations are false.

I guess the only way to perhaps get out of it is to say that you self-identify as a woman. Because that's a thing now, right?

 

[Bozo]

It goes even further than the press release states. Homo wants judges to suspend permits and confiscate ALL guns upon arrest. How will they know about rifles and shotguns, you ask? Good question - expect a provision for universal registration as part of this.

A question for the LE members - how often do guys get jammed up for slapping/shoving/knocking down the crazy wife/GF that gets physical during a fight?

 

[GOPerfect]

This is really nice. I like the idea of getting the citizens involved in the making a law. Cumhole should be so proud of this idea.

 

[NY Leatherneck]

"Ever Upward"?? Wtf!!....Is that what you say when your consistently on the bottom??

 

[misunderestimated]

Where is this connection he speaks of.
Man do I hate him

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I hate this idea. And I don't like domestic abusers I think they are scum, but this is just waiting to be abused.

All this will take is a crazy, vindictive, jaded or emotionally hurt ex girlfriend or wife who has a desire for revenge to make up claims you abused her. Whether you are 100% innocent or guilty will be irrelevant. In the eyes of the court it won't matter. You will be charged and at that point it won't matter if your innocent or not because you will have to fight like crazy with mucho bueno money just to have your rights given back.

It's just another method to slowly whittle away at us. And they are wording the law so that if we disagree with it, well then clearly we support domestic abusers...wtf.

 

[camper4lyfe]

This is already a federal law...

 

[Airborneguy]

A question for the LE members - how often do guys get jammed up for slapping/shoving/knocking down the crazy wife/GF that gets physical during a fight?

Not as often as anti-cop people like to claim. Cop’s are way more likely than the general population to get divorced, but the DV rate is about the same.

I’ve been a DV sgt for 2 years in a part of Staten Island populated heavily with cops, firemen, sanitation, etc. I rarely deal with any of the three yet it’s the first question everyone asks when I say what I do. I’ve dealt with far more FF’s than cops, and even them only rarely.

 

[Catskillkid]

Not as often as anti-cop people like to claim. Cop’s are way more likely than the general population to get divorced, but the DV rate is about the same.

I’ve been a DV sgt for 2 years in a part of Staten Island populated heavily with cops, firemen, sanitation, etc. I rarely deal with any of the three yet it’s the first question everyone asks when I say what I do. I’ve dealt with far more FF’s than cops, and even them only rarely.

What is DV and FF?

 

[camper4lyfe]

What is DV and FF?

Domestic Violence and Fire Fighter

 

[VietnamEraVet]

It goes even further than the press release states. Homo wants judges to suspend permits and confiscate ALL guns upon arrest. How will they know about rifles and shotguns, you ask? Good question - expect a provision for universal registration as part of this.

A question for the LE members - how often do guys get jammed up for slapping/shoving/knocking down the crazy wife/GF that gets physical during a fight?

It is already a problem. I know because it happened to me! NY state ALREADY does not follow their own laws!

In NYS, there is already a section of the law that spells out the three things that your CCW can be suspended for: (A) if you are arrested and charged with a felony; (B) if an Order of Protection is entered against you, and (C) if you are involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

My permit was suspended by the PPO after my local police chief wrote a letter to them stating that "he did not like my attitude", because when a man who had threatened my life on multiple occasions (and that there are multiple police reports on file wherein he admitted that on file with the very same department!) showed up at my home uninvited, that I HAD THE NERVE TO USE PROFANITY WHEN I TOLD HIM TO STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY! I NEVER brandished any weapon whatsoever, but I did have my firearm AND SPARE AMMUNITION on me! OMFG!

My permit was suspended solely on that letter, and I had to hire a lawyer and go to Court and testify before my permit was reinstated, and my handguns eventually returned to me, - 5 months later, and under duress. I shit you not! I also had to fight to eventually get a copy of his BS letter, - the Judge first informed me of its' existence but said he could not give me a copy, or even let me see it; the Chief lied about its' existence when I FOIA'd his department; he then claimed he wrote it personally (he lied, - he wrote it on OPPD letterhead and in his official capacity), and therefore I was not entitled to a copy; his boss, the town supervisor couldn't get him to release it; the town attorney refused to release it to me without filing a lawsuit, and the PPO flat out refused to let me see it or to have a copy. I eventually got a copy from the FOIA lawyer in charge of Erie County.

Some other local cops told me later that there is another problem where they get called out on DV or similar incidents: if the cops take your guns, - they will take ALL OF THEM, - long guns included. They told me that when guys go to court and get their pistol permits reinstated, that they will then give them back their handguns, - but NOT their long guns because the long guns aren't on the permit, and there is no lawful authority telling them to return them. And supposedly, they do not want to return them, and then get blamed when they guy goes off someday in the future and kills someone with a long gun they returned without a court order. They told me that this is happening all over NY state.

There was just a case locally (in Blasdell as I recall) about 1-2 years ago, where a cop or maybe a firefighter got into a mild DV incident at his home. Cops took all of his weapons "for safekeeping". When he got his CCW back, they reluctantly gave him back his handguns, but they refused to give him back his long guns. It made the Buffalo News because it took him something like 2 years of going to NY Supreme Court before a judge finally ordered the cops to return his long guns to him. And he was NEVER charged or convicted OF ANYTHING!

Given these Emergency Restraining Protection Orders are becoming a thing out west, and elsewhere, I figured it was only a matter of time before the Princess jumped on this bandwagon. The real problem is that people with an axe to grind can file shit against you without fear of any consequence in return. It is fucked up, and only going to get worse.

 

[Catskillkid]

Domestic Violence and Fire Fighter

Got it, thanks.

My question still remains, and I think @VietnamEraVet answered it some already is what exactly would trigger the removal of your guns if the cops get called to a domestic violence situation? I'm sure it depends a degree on locality and the officers involved but it seems very subjective. Does there need to be evidence of actual physical harm or just her saying "he hit me" is enough? It bothers me that simply words with no other evidence can be used to remove your property and strip you of your rights. What bothers me even more is that it is so easy to have them taken away but to get them back involves a long, difficult, and expensive process where at the end of it there is no guarantee that your property will be returned.

 

[Airborneguy]

“He hit me” immediately triggering an arrest (at least a valid one) is a myth. In NY, we must see injuries or a serious complaint of pain to charge assault. We don’t have misdemeanor battery or whatever some states call it, so a “hit” with no injuries is harassment, a violation, which we don’t arrest for here.

NY’s laws/rules for removing firearms are pretty vague. Here we basically remove when a clear danger exists in having those guns present during a DV incident. A simple argument that stupidly comes to involve the cops won’t suffice.

The best answer is - which I give to people all the time - don’t fucking call the cops for stupid shit. I don’t want to come and if you make me, we’re going to do our job. YOU called.

 

[swilliams]

The kicker is that these restraining orders are a joke and pretty much worthless. How many times do we hear about some woman being hospitalized or killed, then find out she had a piece of paper saying the attacker was supposed to stay away from her? I've posted here before about a couple of these cases in my own family. One cousin's husband beat the crap out of her for years. He had no intention of killing her; in fact, he'd go out of his way to make sure she looked fine to everyone else. Taking away his guns wouldn't have done shit. It finally ended when her sons got older and found out what was going on. Two of them attacked their dad, then told my uncle (their grandpa) what was going on. He insisted she and the kids move in with him.

The other was my mom's cousin. Her lovely husband bludgeoned her to death with an old phone. No gun needed. This law is stupid.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Meanwhile....

 

[Deplorable Me]