Such a shame. The laws need to change, but until that time, people need to know the laws.
Many call for change to state gun laws
Many call for change to state gun laws
NEW YORK STRIKES AGAIN!
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What happened to National Reciprocal Carry ?
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
They "call" for a change but Cuomo isn't answering he phone. BTW, as much as I HATE the laws, you would think that you would know what they are if you are potentially going to put yourself in a situation like this.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We just need to keep the pressure on and Hope that the midterm elections will net us more conservatives in the House and Senate.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
I think many people living in free states do not appreciate the paranoid state we have to live in just to get by. My sister travels in regularly from (now) Michigan. Prior she lived in VA, FL, and CO. I had to in depth explain to her why I can travel to MI with my firearm and permit and she can't come past PA with hers into NY. She moved out of NY when she was 19 (USAF retired); back at 19 she had no desire to even fire a firearm. She's a huntress now w/her boyfriend and we regularly discuss reloading. She had no idea how anal retentive NY is.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Someone will say that she should have known the laws and that they have no sympathy for her 2A rights being violated in 3, 2, 1...
freddy
.308 Win
I think two already did.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And another will defend her rights being violated and quote Heller in 3,2,1...
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I didn't say I have no sympathy. I think most on here would know where I stand when it comes to this topic. I merely pointed out that if I was traveling somewhere with my firearm, possibly because I live in such a fucked up state, I would double and triple check what I'm doing so I don't screw myself even more than I am already screwed.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
you know what will get this law changed ~~~ ADVERTISING!!! Threaten the tourism industry and things will change pretty fast.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I have to say I'm a little surprised that Apple would be for something like resiprocity. He's a Democrat in Albany county.
Phazer
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He said it’s great the TSA is doing its job and that isn’t the issue. While other states have adopted the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, which allows you to travel from one state to another without penalty, New York still has not.
This has nothing to do with the TSA. It has nothing to do with security. This uninformed citizen who legally possessed her pistol in her home state, and who appropriately checked it at her home state airport in Colorado, was simply trying her best to obey federal airline laws requiring legally owned pistols to be declared and checked. In most of the country, no permit is required to own a pistol; only to carry a concealed firearm. It is only in the liberal progressive bastions such has the northeast and Left Coast where airport police would even think of asking to see a permit for a pistol that was being declared, not smuggled, but declared for legal transport on an aircraft.
Liberal Progressives, and their insane, illogical, emotion-based, laws only serve to ruin the lives of honest citizens that make informed decisions that hurt nobody.
The real irony is that this woman was able to fly her pistol into New York with no problems. She probably just picked up her checked pistol, transported in her nondescript luggage, at the airport carousel.
I wonder where they pistol was during her visit? She went a little beyond changing flights, “accidentally” crossing into NY, etc. No one in her upstate family knew firearms laws enough to warn her?
Idiots come in many forms. They don’t get a pass simply because their idiocy involves the 2nd Amendment.
Idiots come in many forms. They don’t get a pass simply because their idiocy involves the 2nd Amendment.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So basically what you are saying is that an idiot should know the infringements on the 2A made by the blue states they are traveling to and they shouldn't get a pass by those willing to enforce those infringements passed into law by enemies of the Constitution.
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ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Don't declare and it's a coin flip if the tsa clowns will catch you.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Something doesn't make sense to me.
According to the story, " Leach was arrested after she tried to declare a handgun before checking into her Southwest flight."
She was not trying to go through security. It was not a case of missing the handgun in her luggage. She was trying to do the right thing and declare the handgun during checkin, per TSA protocol. This means that the Southwest agent notified someone that Leach was trying to check a handgun. And who would the Southwest agent notify? In the dozens upon dozens of times I've flown with firearms, I've NEVER had them notify TSA. It's ALWAYS been the police assigned to the airport, if anyone. In this case, it's the Albany County Sheriff's Office.
And Craig Apple, the Albany County Sheriff says things like "The TSA is doing a great job." (TSA had nothing to do with this.) He expresses sympathy for otherwise law-abiding people who are getting caught up in this POS law. He has stated "things need to change." He has gone on record as saying the SAFE Act in unenforceable, unconstitutional, and wrong.
And at the same time, his Deputies are getting involved where they don't have to, and are arresting people unnecessarily.
Look at what's going on here. Craig Apple is talking out both sides of his mouth.
According to the story, " Leach was arrested after she tried to declare a handgun before checking into her Southwest flight."
She was not trying to go through security. It was not a case of missing the handgun in her luggage. She was trying to do the right thing and declare the handgun during checkin, per TSA protocol. This means that the Southwest agent notified someone that Leach was trying to check a handgun. And who would the Southwest agent notify? In the dozens upon dozens of times I've flown with firearms, I've NEVER had them notify TSA. It's ALWAYS been the police assigned to the airport, if anyone. In this case, it's the Albany County Sheriff's Office.
And Craig Apple, the Albany County Sheriff says things like "The TSA is doing a great job." (TSA had nothing to do with this.) He expresses sympathy for otherwise law-abiding people who are getting caught up in this POS law. He has stated "things need to change." He has gone on record as saying the SAFE Act in unenforceable, unconstitutional, and wrong.
And at the same time, his Deputies are getting involved where they don't have to, and are arresting people unnecessarily.
Look at what's going on here. Craig Apple is talking out both sides of his mouth.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Every airport is different. At Stewart there are no cops. You declare to the ticket agent. It's up to them to call the cops on you if you can't produce a NY PP.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
When I checked pistols at White Plains Airport (in Westchester), the desk attendant handling check in escorted my with my bag over to a TSA screener. The TSA agent said, "I'm going to put your bag through the x-ray. If it comes up with an alert, I'll call the police over to check it out." I wanted to say, "What do you mean 'IF' there is an alert? I just told you there were pistols in the luggage." Anyway, once the bag triggered an alert, the TSA agent called for the police to come check the pistols. The officer asked for my permit, checked that the pistols were unloaded, had me re-secure the case, and told me to have a good trip. That took about 2 minutes.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
How can we get out of Stater's to carry in NY $hitty when law abiding PERMITED citizens can't ? That's the question. Does anyone with a permit NOT know it's NOT ok to carry in Pa with a NY carry permit only ? I sympathisize with people arrested but question their wisdom
She wasn't licensed in NY so should not have had possession of it in this shit hole state to begin with. The federal transportation laws do not apply because she stopped in NY and this was not an uninterrupted trip from CO. With a pistol you must be legal where you start and end your trip.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Which makes my point. Law Enforcement is getting involved unnecessarily.
Why do the ticket agents care about a pistol permit? They should only care if the firearm is being declared properly.
Why do the TSA screeners care about a pistol permit? They should only care that the firearm is being declared properly.
Why do the police even have to know about it?
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
She wasn't licensed in NY so should not have had possession of it in this shit hole state to begin with. The federal transportation laws do not apply because she stopped in NY and this was not an uninterrupted trip from CO. With a pistol you must be legal where you start and end your trip.
My comment wasn't about federal law.
It was about a Sheriff who says the SAFE Act is unenforceable and shouldn't be enforced, and then his Deputies do it anyway.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Prob just ruined her life. Just what you don't need, a weapons charge on your record.
Take it up with someone else who said it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I thought I was. Guess I need practice in reading comprehension.
Im going to have to be on the "what a dumbass, she should research before traveling" side here.
Its not what should be the law
But, what is the law.
I know consealed carriers from Arizona, Florida, Utah, Wyoming, Montana......they all know NYS gun laws are horrifying.
I wouldnt go to an airport before knowing the laws in the state im going to, thats just common sense.
Saying "but my 2nd amendment right" doesnt mean shit to a NYS judge.
Its not what should be the law
But, what is the law.
I know consealed carriers from Arizona, Florida, Utah, Wyoming, Montana......they all know NYS gun laws are horrifying.
I wouldnt go to an airport before knowing the laws in the state im going to, thats just common sense.
Saying "but my 2nd amendment right" doesnt mean shit to a NYS judge.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Last I knew, the ticket agents aren't agents of the state. And for that matter, neither are any of the TSA agents. The TSA involving anybody at the state/local level for a permit issue are just being bags of dicks. They work for the federal government and have no business inserting themselves in a state paperwork issue.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
I agree with you wholeheartedly but and there always is a but....Folks from these other not dictator states are much more lax in thinking when it comes to firearm transportation. They don't have to think about it as much as we in NY have to. Its kind of like another world to them. Again not saying they are right. Just saying its not the first thing they think about when travelling like we have to.
A reverse comparison is the farmer out west who is constantly worried about the weather because their lively hood depends on it. Dry,Wet or a cold snap can ruin their crops for the year. We in the NE couldn't care less about the weather other than wondering how are we going to get to Shoprite today. And if I cant get there oh well if not it can wait till tomorrow, leftovers for today.