Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All you need is some playboy bunnies and you are set! You'd be grabbing Pussy left and right!Plus, just think, you'd be PRESIDENT, of the entire world you live in!
Would you consider a survival shelter useful or a good idea?
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carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I don't think the Russians would do it unless left with no choice. The use of nukes results in massive area denial for a long time, and if a state of war existed between us, they would likely want to sieze territory. That was the thinking behind the work on the neutron bombs. Destroying large cities and the infrastructure was determined to be less desirable than eliminating resistance without all the destruction. A limited exchange could happen, possibly not with Russia. I believe these scenarios are much less likely than a rogue nation or group with a bomb or two causing a large problem.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. A rogue nation with nothing to lose run by a maniac. Maybe.
But if fired from a civilized nation.... That would be their destruction as well. We have nuclear subs hidden around the world for that very reason. Even if our whole country was gone, those submarines would get their revenge.
But if fired from a civilized nation.... That would be their destruction as well. We have nuclear subs hidden around the world for that very reason. Even if our whole country was gone, those submarines would get their revenge.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
For various reasons I think the money is far better spent on a 401k plan. If I were filthy rich I might build one for grins, but when considering the odds of a nuclear war, everyone getting in it, surviving long term after, etc. I think unless you are legitimately rich it's a very poor way to spend money. A lot of people prep a lot for disaster but not much for something far more likely to happen: retirement (or just having emergency money for something).
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I've never understood the point of these even if they were safe. Most of the ones I've seen are not even hidden, so it's pretty obvious where the thing is. And the people inside like to pretend they are somehow secure, but they are simply sitting ducks. Would be super easy to kill any of them inside and steal all their gear. Many of these have laughably short escape tunnels to obvious areas. Find their ventilation system and block it. If they have a stairwell flood it with gasoline and light a match. Even if they the door is air proof it's going to bake them. Lay a bunch of wood and sandbags over the top of the thing to act as a shield, now dig a small hole down to it, drill a hole into the top, pour gasoline in, then match.
etc.
It has been said Engineers build weapons and Civil engineers build targets. Underground shelters are good for a lot of things the one thing they are really bad in is a flood. Don't build your shelter in a flood plain unless you are planning a watery grave.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
This is older but you get some idea! Dig deep
underground bomb shelter 
Nuclear War Fallout Shelter Survival Info for New York with FEMA Target Maps
Foxtrapper
.40 S&W
I only worry about the fallout. And mostly from strikes west of us, as that is the prevailing wind direction. With fallout you need to be under 3 feet of dirt minimum. I currently don't have a shelter, and no plans to build one. As far as what a country would gain by using nucs? No idea, but they have'em, and it's like having a shiny new firearm, can't wait to use them...
I think shelters have their place in prepping. I don't follow the train of thought that a nuclear war is going to happen. If you are under the belief that this is a probable future then a fallout shelter is for you.
I personally believe a shelter has more use than a fallout shelter.
1. A more secure and dedicated way of storing supplies.
2. A shelter, but I could argue the benefit of having a hidden shelter tactically speaking.
3. A secondary place to lay your head. There is something to be said for having contingency plans. Also having a shelter that doesn't really require heating in the winter time is big too.
I personally believe a shelter has more use than a fallout shelter.
1. A more secure and dedicated way of storing supplies.
2. A shelter, but I could argue the benefit of having a hidden shelter tactically speaking.
3. A secondary place to lay your head. There is something to be said for having contingency plans. Also having a shelter that doesn't really require heating in the winter time is big too.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I would never misinterpret a shelter as a fighting position . Its not . its a shelter. and as stated before, they make terrible fighting positions . Your fighting position should extend far out from beyond your bunker. And if your fighting a larger force it would behoove you to fight mobile, using dirt bikes ATVs bass boats and combinations of . A few good shooters able to communicate and work a plan , should be too much trouble for a band of looters to handle. Adapting a break contact/ peel off tactics using dirt bikes might be something to explore for your area. Avoid head to head fighting if you can, discourage and demoralize tactics if you had to fight . Multiple food/ammo stuffs over an area would be better if your expecting unwanted dinner guests. For the most part, a shelter in case of disaster is a good Idea . but Its not a fighting position
pjzwtl
.308 Win
Actually if your home has a basement partially or fully below grade you can beef it up and set it up to make a solid fallout shelter. Now this may not work out so well if your in the blast radius but for most areas away from targets it is a sound idea if a new buried set up is not in budget or feasible due to location and nosey neighbors. Just remember if you do it don't go on doomsday peepers and show the world.
In a full scale all out nuclear war, After the first strike takes out all high value targets, follow up low yield tactical strikes would target every airport facility with a runway 8000ft or longer. There are hundreds of airports and surrounding areas that would be destroyed.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
If I had a survival shelter, itd be my permanent residence
If you have the money plus a good spot, I would.
If you have the money plus a good spot, I would.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
One could always buy an old silo and hope it was removed from the targeting database
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
One could always buy an old silo and hope it was removed from the targeting database
I believe the days of buying an old Nike site for cheap are gone. People are buying them all up and making palatial things with them.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I think you are thinking of the Atlas silos. They have turned some of those huge underground condos. The Nike sites are mostly above-ground setups.
Get a copy of Cresson Kearney's "Nuclear War Survival Skills". you used to be able to down load it for free from OISM.org (Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine) or you can buy a few copies for not a lot of money.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I agree, a survival shelter is not a fortified bunker, but they can be attached to a fortified position. Of course, you start talking about a lot of money when you start trying to do things like that, but it can be done. Even if you have a hidden shelter that can be relatively unmolested, a tunnel to an attached fortified position or two that overlook your entry point would be good. It wouldn't be good to open the door to your shelter right into a crowd of people who want what you have. There are also ways to disperse the exhausts of things like wood stoves and generators so that they are hardly noticeable, in regard to remaining hidden. I think that there should be some thought in a shelter design that addresses someone unwanted breaching the main entrance of the shelter. Mantraps, hidden shooting positions or some way to effectively repel intruders.
If the world went Nuclear, I do not want to survive. There are many possible bad incidents that can cause the SHTF, nuke war is the one that I would not want to stick around for the afterwards.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What if you got a ticket to go live in that top secret mountain they have?
You are going to die either way, why not make the most of it!?
If my shelter held 3 people on this site:
Me...
Willjr75...
???
@Willjr75 , who is the third?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Fartgamer?
They would not invite me, but if they did, I may just do that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You got me. I'd pick Swilliams. She's quite handy with that glue gun of hers. But she wouldn't like our constant bickering.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And shoots. And does yard work. And cooks. And can dye hair.
Uzi
.308 Win
Realistically, I think people underestimate the power of a single nuclear explosion. A ground hit would send a super sonic shock wave powerful enough to kill everyone at least 5 miles away from the core explosion instantly. By the time you see the flash, you're going to be dusted away like a feather in a supernova. Our nuclear weapons today are at least known to be something like 96% more powerful than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima. Shock waves don't stop on the surface of the earth either, they travel in every direction, including straight down. The site of an explosion will send heat well exceeding that of the surface of the sun all around the blast radius at super sonic speeds too. Things would vaporize, remnants of things man was not able to incinerate, would be turned to a crisp, maybe left over. You have to ask yourself, would you WANT to survive a world of highly toxic radiation that will outlast your food supply and your average life expectancy for many many years? In a war scenario where nuclear bombs are being exchanged back and forth, things are multiplied by the thousands. If the shock waves didn't unsettle and collapse the integral support of your super special impenetrable underground bunker and bury you alive, like it would to parts of the earths crust triggering earthquakes and probably volcanoes too, you'll be the only living being left on the planet. If you made it out alive, you'd be left in a nuclear winter storm filled with unbreathable air and toxic radiation, floating microscopic crystals and glass, Highly toxic gas like sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid raining down that is certain to kill you for thousands of miles in every direction you are in. No animal or insect protein left. Not way to generate photosynthesis, etc. Not to mention radiation that will sizzle your skin causing extreme cases of cancer and other cellular mutational changes you probably don't want. It's getting late, I'm going to bed....
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
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