Shooter reported, people reported shot at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland

[SomeSoldier]

I don't see those as 4A right violations. If I am open carrying for example and say to a cop to watch me shoot his partner, he has all the probable cause to detain and investigate me. Online threats are no different.

At best talking shit on the internet is reasonable suspicion.

 

[freddy]

At best talking shit on the internet is reasonable suspicion.

If that is true then a few members ought to be 'persons of interest'.

 

[Phazer]

If that is true then a few members ought to be 'persons of interest'.

That is always a risk. But, we are law-abiding citizens interested in preserving constitutional rights and solving problems at the same time. Nobody here would ever advocate for "gun violence." We advocate for sporting firearms use and defensive firearms for protection.

 

[MoMan]

I think that DeplorableMe is trying to point out that there is nothing reasonable about what they refer to as "reasonable gun control"

I understood that. I was making a point that I have ZERO intent to even consider it, if all the problems all of a sudden magically disappeared.

 

[BuffNiag]

Do your own research dig deep and find the truth. It's out there.

Well I've looked at many credible news sources and they all say the same thing: lunatic shoots up a school.

Care to share your sources? Guys posting from mom's basement don't count.

 

[Catskillkid]

Florida High School Shooter Member Of Local White Nationalist Group

ACLU claims they have credible info that he was a member of a white nationalist organization. Of course if more than two white people are in a room together the ACLU will consider that a white supremacist group too. Apparently he met with them and did "training" but whether it was firearms related or not it doesn't specify. Who the hell knows how much of this stuff is real or fabrications.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Florida High School Shooter Member Of Local White Nationalist Group

ACLU claims they have credible info that he was a member of a white nationalist organization. Of course if more than two white people are in a room together the ACLU will consider that a white supremacist group too. Apparently he met with them and did "training" but whether it was firearms related or not it doesn't specify. Who the hell knows how much of this stuff is real or fabrications.

I'm white, love my country, have firearms and hang with you guys here. Guess I'm in too.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[holdover]

Source? I am reading he bought the rifle legally.

That was a mistake, I thought it was federal .

 

[Uzi]

That's another big part of the problem, the media loves this stuff because it sells. They are literally vultures hovering over dead bodies.

If only they would all come to a consensus that there coverage only motivates these animals to copycat these terrible acts. If these idiots got no coverage, there would be less of them willing to carry out their plans. And armed teachers/plain clothes guards would deter more.

That's the problem, they know very well that it helps create new shooters. All part of their agenda. Everyone should know this, that's why they immediately throw things like "ar-15" "assault rifle" and what can we do to ban guns within the first hour of the media broadcast. The dead bodies are their ticket in, they're so fucking used to it, that it's the first thing that they all start talking about. Not, how many people were injured? How many killed? Is the suspect at large? Is there a second shooter? Things like that. It's all politics so they can take advantage of the murdered human beings first and foremost.

 

[99cummins]

I'm all for 4th amendment rights against illegal searches and investigations. However, if someone on their own posts violent messages and specific threats against individuals or institutions on a social media site, I am alright with law enforcement using that information as evidence to compel an individual undergo psychiatric evaluation. If someone is willing to "share" that information with the world, then it should be available for use by law enforcement. If psychiatric evaluations then show that person is a risk to themselves or others, it would be appropriate for them to be put on a NICS deny list. Provided that due process is available, a person that is independently found to be mentally unstable should have their firearms removed from their possession.

We need to diligently support 2nd amendment rights for law-abiding mentally competent citizens. We cannot, however, support the possession of firearms by those who are clearly threats to society. However...we need to be sure that "threat to society" is narrowly defined so that it cannot be twisted to mean "whoever disagrees with the local, state, or federal government."

Making specific threats through social media or otherwise should at the very least be looked into. Especially if it involves an institution such as a school. There have been a few cases locally where someone made threats towards a school and preventive measures were taken and the individuals were investigated. I find it hard to see that violating anyone’s rights.

A quick side story that relates to this - in the fall cuomo came to I think Batavia for some stupid thing. I was on a job site locally. We had a driver at the site delivering some material to my company. Two state police cars haul ass up and stop, asking us if we were “John Doe” (I don’t remember the name) or if we knew him. None of our guys were him or knew him. Turns out it was the guy delivering to us. They detained and questioned him for over an hour. Apparently he had said on Facebook that he hoped cuomo got shot or something similar to that. They eventually released him with no charges. Just said to stay off Facebook for a year. Quite the showing of protecting the dictator.

Point being that the authorities responded and investigated this pretty quick so why not the asshat in Florida.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I have read that he bought the M&P rifle legally last year; that he has now confessed to the shootings, and now the news sources are reporting that he took an Uber to the school..., and now they are raising questions as to why the Uber driver didn't notice him carrying the weapon...

Like Uber drivers now need to be inspecting our passengers baggage???

 

[Phazer]

I have read that he bought the M&P rifle legally last year; that he has now confessed to the shootings

So, what time tomorrow is the execution?

 

[99cummins]

I have read that he bought the M&P rifle legally last year; that he has now confessed to the shootings, and now the news sources are reporting that he took an Uber to the school..., and now they are raising questions as to why the Uber driver didn't notice him carrying the weapon...

Like Uber drivers now need to be inspecting our passengers baggage???

The media will do everything they can to blame anyone or anything that isn’t the actual piece of shit that committed the horrible act. They do it every time.

 

[Jmac00]

can we do a reality check here:

In the 21st century ( 2000 to present) there have been 278 children killed in school shootings
from **2009 to present** there have been 4,857 people shot and killed in CHICAGO ALONE

21st century
totals (not including 2018)
killed by gun-shot, or as a result of gun-shot: 4, 5, 10, 6, 1, 11, 10, 34, 19, 3, 11, 5, 40, 15, 16, 19, 9, 9 (227 not including 2018), injured: 1, 19, 9, 5, 5, 10, 15, 6, 20, 11, 7, 12, 16, 29, 35, 37, 25, 16 (278 not including 2018)

Of the 227 killed, 90 school-children were killed from the action of bullet fired from gun. Of these, 23 were Elementary school age students (aged between 6 years of age and 10 to 14 years of age) killed by the same method, 12 were killed unintentionally, and 2 school-girl friends died together by the execution of a suicide-pact.

break-down

• year 2000, 1 junior (elementary school), 1 middle-school teacher, 1 professor, 1 university Phd candidate (suicide), (4) killed; 3 junior (1 unintentionally) (1) injured.
• 2001, 1 junior, 1 senior, 1 music-instructor, 1 perp (suicided), 1 high-school student, (5) killed; 12 high-school students, 2 security superviser, 5 people at a high school, (19) injured.
• 2002, 1 university dean, 4 university professor, 1 university student, 2 monks, 1 perp (suicide), 1 university student (suicide), (10) killed; 2 high-school students, 3 university students, 2 monks, 2 junior, (9) injured.
• 2003, 3 junior (1 by suicide), 1 senior, 1 school principal, 1 university graduate student, (6) killed; 3 high-school students, 1 university student, 1 university professor, (5) injured.
• 2004, 1 senior, (1) killed; 1 junior, 1 teacher, 2 senior, 1 upperclassman, (5) injured.
• 2005, 1 school bus-driver, 5 high-school students, 1 teacher, 1 school security guard, 2 junior (1 the perp, by suicide), 1 assistant school principal, (11) killed; 1 senior, 7 high-school students, 1 school principal, 1 assistant principal, (10) injured.
• 2006, 1 school worker, 2 university seniors (by their biological father), 1 junior, 1 school principal, 5 schoolgirls, (10) killed; 4 junior (1 shot by a police officer), 1 school worker, 2 high-school students, 5 university basket-ball players, 3 schoolgirls, (15) injured.
• 2007, 1 high-school junior (perp by suicide), 1 university instructor, 4 professor, 3 sophomore, 7 masters student, 4 university senior, 8 university freshman, 3 university junior, 2 PhD student, 1 university student (perp by suicide), 1 high-school senior, (34) killed; 3 high-school student, 3 high-school teachers, (6) injured.
• 2008, 3 college students (1 perp by suicide), 5 at a university, 2 university students, 1 perp (by suicide), 4 high-school junior, 1 individual the guardian of a school-child, 3 high-school students, (19) killed; 1 high-school junior, 1 high-school senior, 17 at a high-school, 1 visitor at a university, (20) injured.
• 2009, 2 junior (1 the perp, by suicide), 1 individual at a university (perps invited to the university, and attempted to rob of marijuana), (3) killed; 5 at a high-school basket-ball game, 1 delivery man at a university, 1 dormitory monitor, 1 perp (attempted suicide), 3 students at an academy, (11) injured.
• 2010, 3 high-school junior (1 by suicide), 1 chairman of a university department, 2 university professors; 2 university professors, 1 university staff assistant, 1 school custodian co-worker, 1 sophomore (perp by suicide), (11) killed; 1 university student, 2 junior ( elementary school age), 1 school custodian co-worker, 3 high-school students (1 unintentionally), (7) injured.
• 2011, 1 assistant principal, 1 school senior (perp by suicide), 1 at a school football game, 1 police-officer at a university campus, 1 university student (perp by suicide), (5) killed; 1 principal, 1 school nurse, 2 high-school junior, 5 at a school football game, 1 intermediate school student, 2 middle-school students, (12) injured.
• 2012, 1 high-school junior, 20 junior (elementary school age) students, 2 high-school students, 1 academy senior student, 1 head of school, 5 teacher (1 perp by suicide), 8 university students (1, not a relevant weapon-use perp, by a police officer), 1 principal, 1 school psychologist, (40) killed; 1 high-school junior (unintentionally), 3 high-school students, 3 university students, 2 high-school students, 1 high-school senior, 4 non-students at a Halloween party at a university, 1 teacher, 1 individual at an elementary school, (16) injured.
• 2013, 1 adult at a Christian school, 1 12-year old, 2 people in the parking lot of a college, 1 17-year old in the parking lot of a university, 1 university student (the perp, by suicide), 1 high-school junior, 1 perp (a middle-school student, suicide), 1 campus police officer, 1 campus grounds-keeper, the daughter of a campus grounds-keeper, a women collecting cans at a university, 1 teacher, 2 high-school senior (1 the perp, by suicide), (15) killed; 6 high-school junior, 1 administrator at a business school, 1 by-stander, 1 perp (self-injury), 5 high-school student, 1 maintenance-man at a high-school, 1 perp (unintentionally), 1 teacher, 2 individuals at a college campus, 4 university students, 2 injured at a high-school football game, 2 middle-school student, 1 high-school janitor, 1 high-school athletics trainer, (29) injured.
• 2014, 3 university student , 1 college student, 1 teacher, 1 non-student at a school awards ceremony, 3 high-school junior (1 by suicide), 5 high-school student, 1 freshman (perp, by suicide), an alumnus (perp, by police officers), (16) killed; 3 high-school junior, 2 middle-school, 1 middle-school staff-member, 2 charter school students, 7 university student, 1 individual at a university, 3 college student, 3 junior (2 unintentionally), 1 individual at a university dormitory complex (by a police-officer), an individual at a college, 1 teacher, 8 high-school student, 1 alternative school student, an individual outside a high-school, (35) injured, plus (1 individual near a university (February 12) - injured, 1 non-student at a university (perp, by suicide) (December 5)).
• 2015, 1 middle-school student, 1 faculty-member at a community college, 3 university student, 1 college student, 2 university professors (1 the perp, by suicide), 9 students at a community college (1 the perp, by suicide), 1 teacher, 1 high-school junior, (19) killed; an individual 15-years of age in a parking-lot of a university, a high-school students father, 1 teacher, 1 middle-school student, 1 individual in a high-school parking-lot, 2 high-school students, 3 university students, an individual at an elementary school parking-lot, 1 police-officer at a middle-school, 2 school juniors, 7 people at a parking-lot of a Classical academy, 2 in the parking-lot of a college, 1 high-school principal, 9 at a community college, 3 university students, 1 individual at a university, (37) injured.
• 2016, 1 former high-school student (perp by police services), 1 Phd student (perp by suicide), 1 university professor, 4 high-school junior (2 school-girls in an "apparent murder-suicide", 1 perp by suicide), 1 high-school student, 1 elementary school student, (9) killed; 8 high-school junior, 12 high-school students, 2 individuals in the parking-lot of a high-school, 1 police officer (unintentionally), 1 elementary school student, 1 teacher, (25) injured.
• 2017, an elementary school student (not the target), 1 teacher, 1 perp (estranged husband of a teacher, by suicide), 1 college student, 1 perp & former college student (by suicide), 3 high-school student, 1 perp (former high-school student, by suicide), (9) killed; 5 high-school student, an individual at a university protest, a high-school senior, 9 elementary school student, (16) injured.

(only individuals shown as connected to a school were included from November 14)

How come Schumer, Feinstein, and Pelosi have no problem with these FACTS

 

[VietnamEraVet]

The media will do everything they can to blame anyone or anything that isn’t the actual piece of shit that committed the horrible act. They do it every time.

Having some firsthand experience with the lawsuit happy industry out there, I have no doubt that they will try to attack anyone and everyone out there that they can try to claim had ANY contact however directly or indirectly with the shooter, his weapon, his actions, his possible training, - you name it...

When my company was named in a Dole v Dow lawsuit back in the 1990's, among the approximately 50 companies that got dragged into the lawsuit was the company that supplied the phone wire that was installed (and used without issue) by the guy who called on the phone connected to it. Like I said, they will name EVERYBODY they can to try and get to people with deep pockets.

If they think they can try to connect Uber to this by claiming that their driver had some responsibility somehow, you can bet that some enterprising lawyer will name them...

 

[99cummins]

Having some firsthand experience with the lawsuit happy industry out there, I have no doubt that they will try to attack anyone and everyone out there that they can try to claim had ANY contact however directly or indirectly with the shooter, his weapon, his actions, his possible training, - you name it...

When my company was named in a Dole v Dow lawsuit back in the 1990's, among the approximately 50 companies that got dragged into the lawsuit was the company that supplied the phone wire that was installed (and used without issue) by the guy who called on the phone connected to it. Like I said, they will name EVERYBODY they can to try and get to people with deep pockets.

You forgot the part about those wishing to push a certain agenda as well.

 

[holdover]

"Cruz was member of the Republic of Florida (ROF), a white supremacist group, US media reported.

I guess that's why he choose not to shoot up a black school . because hes a white racist who happens to be latino . yeah , no.

Step away from the main stream media Koolaid. and use your cabeza Vato. His last name was cruze as in Santa cruz , Vera cruz . Las cruzes.

To say he was a white supemist is like saying he shot up the school because he was an anti-Semite. Really? You really belive that?



PARKLAND, Florida—Nikolas Cruz, the man accused of killing 17 people in a Florida high school, was a member of a “white separatist paramilitary proto-fascist organization,” the group told The Daily Beast.

Cruz, 19, is accused of opening fire inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Prior to the shooting, he trained with the Republic of Florida, the group’s captain Jordan Jereb said (as first reported by the Anti-Defamation League). The RoF seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida, according to its website, a view that Cruz supposedly shared.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Thursday evening that the claim is “not confirmed at this time” but “we are looking into that.” After previous mass shootings, the alt-right has spread disinformation online about alleged perpetrators.


White Supremacists Claim Nikolas Cruz Trained With Them; Students Say He Wore Trump Hat in School


ROF has members in north and south Florida. The alt right white supremacist group borrows paramilitary concepts from the anti-government extremist militia movement (not itself a white supremacist movement). ROF describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida. Most ROF members are young and the group itself is only a few years old.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz


Tom Cruz

 

[FrankenCub]

Anyone care to make a wager on how soon another message of necessity rolls trough Albany to remove all registered "assault weapons" from NY?

I hope something good comes from this, like Trump hammering we need armed guards in schools and strict enforcement of current laws along with uber harsh punishments. As well as stopping these scumbags from slipping through cracks when they know damn well there will problems.

 

[Marine Cpl]

"Cruz was member of the Republic of Florida (ROF), a white supremacist group, US media reported.

I guess that's why he choose not to shoot up a black school . because hes a white racist who happens to be latino . yeah , no.

Step away from the main stream media Koolaid. and use your cabeza Vato. His last name was cruze as in Santa cruz , Vera cruz . Las cruzes.

To say he was a white supemist is like saying he shot up the school because he was an anti-Semite. Really? You really belive that?

Some here believe everything the media says and clown us for questioning it.

 

[holdover]

Begin the spin!!

 

[Arjuna]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/suspected-florida-gunman-went-to-subway-mcdonalds-after-massacre/

 

[holdover]

Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.

Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as claimed by the group’s self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.

His comments to the Anti-Defamation League and The Associated Press set off a media firestorm Thursday at about midday that Cruz was connected to the alt-right, white nationalist group.


http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...ist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

 

[holdover]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/suspected-florida-gunman-went-to-subway-mcdonalds-after-massacre/

He needed more Mc Ammo

 

[holdover]

I guess that settles it, the cops were wrong, ABC has three unnamed sources . (news, lol)

 

[Darth]

So it's been one day and we, the group that says "don't just rush to blame something and try and ban guns" have narrowed it down to:

The left.
Social media.
Regular media and fame seeking.
Lack of armed guards at schools.
The deep state.
Millianals, again.
The FBI.
The 4th amendment.
The parents.
Big Pharma and SSRIs.
Isis.


I'm sure I'm missing some. Wouldn't want to jump the gun.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So it's been one day and we, the group that says "don't just rush to blame something and try and ban guns" have narrowed it down to:

The left.
Social media.
Regular media and fame seeking.
Lack of armed guards at schools.
The deep state.
Millianals, again.
The FBI.
The 4th amendment.
The parents.
Big Pharma and SSRIs.
Isis.


I'm sure I'm missing some. Wouldn't want to jump the gun.

Chiropractors. You forgot those bastards!

 

[Darth]

Chiropractors. You forgot those bastards!

At least school shooters have the decency to admit what they are doing isn't helping anyone.

Actually that's not always even true.

 

[Uzi]

At least school shooters have the decency to admit what they are doing isn't helping anyone.

Actually that's not always even true.

No, I don't think they have any decency at all.

 

[Darth]

No, I don't think they have any decency at all.

Yeah, but we got one on this site so we have to pretend and politely nod.

Unless you meant mass shooters?