MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
This is my take. The media mis-quote things so often it is almost not even worth reading/watching..
Trump issues memo to ban bump stocks
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This is my take. The media mis-quote things so often it is almost not even worth reading/watching..
They will fuck it up. Gun legislation is always fucked up on account of it being written by ignoramuses.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
IF he's simply throwing the left a bone to appease the idiots for politics sake, I can understand the decision but remain disgusted by it.
By no means do I excuse or support this stupidity.
Well the government cannot make a law retroactive so they will have to open up the NFA registry for all those bump stocks to be registered as legal machine guns. Wouldn't that be fun.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I heard the words from his mouth. Turning lawful firearms into machine guns.
Yep. More "compromise."
And the sheer fact he even mentioned bump stocks means he goes on pure emotion/appeasement, with no care for what those who actually voted for him want.
As predicted.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
No disagreement Darth, it's stupidity and total window dressing for the tourists, but welcome to America. 
freddy
.308 Win
"On Tuesday, the White House signalled it was open to an age limit for people buying AR-15-type assault rifles, like the one used in last week's deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida.
"I think that's certainly something that's on the table for us to discuss and that we expect to come up over the next couple of weeks," said White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders, when asked about a possible age requirement. The age limit in most US states for buying an AR-15 is 18.
***http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43135584***
"I think that's certainly something that's on the table for us to discuss and that we expect to come up over the next couple of weeks," said White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders, when asked about a possible age requirement. The age limit in most US states for buying an AR-15 is 18.
***http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43135584***
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Should I buy one? I don’t really want to and I’ll never use it. I likely won’t, but I just like being an asshole. I built my AR-15 mainly because cuomo hates them so much. I don’t think I’ve fired 100 rounds through it in a year or two.
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
The NRA said it was ok so he bent over? I expected better from the man i voted for.... who told the entire world “kiss my ass” America is first in ALL fronts and also supported the 2A even after immense pressure from the left and Rinos after Vegas. More infringement and no steps foward to preserve the 2A. Sad. Trump disappoints today for sure.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So is Benicio Del Toro's finger going to be illegal?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Can I register my middle finger as a machine gun and since I hold a black belt in Karate I guess I should register my hands as weapons and while we are at it the size of my dick as fake news.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
— that Congress, not the executive branch, must do this:
Federal law defines “machinegun” as a “weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” Bump stocks do not allow the weapon to fire multiple times for each function of the trigger; they just help the user pull the trigger incredibly rapidly.
The Obama administration didn’t approve the sale of bump stocks because it loved the idea; it approved the sale of bump stocks because the law on the books didn’t give it any other option. Even after the Las Vegas shooting, per the New York Times, Justice Department officials were saying — both in private and in public — that it wasn’t possible to regulate bump stocks through the executive branch, and that Congress would have to get involved.
Congress makes laws, and must update those laws when loopholes become apparent. To its disgrace it has failed to do so in this case, but that does not justify the president’s decision here.
Trump Directs Justice Department to Ban Bump Stocks | National Review
Federal law defines “machinegun” as a “weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” Bump stocks do not allow the weapon to fire multiple times for each function of the trigger; they just help the user pull the trigger incredibly rapidly.
The Obama administration didn’t approve the sale of bump stocks because it loved the idea; it approved the sale of bump stocks because the law on the books didn’t give it any other option. Even after the Las Vegas shooting, per the New York Times, Justice Department officials were saying — both in private and in public — that it wasn’t possible to regulate bump stocks through the executive branch, and that Congress would have to get involved.
Congress makes laws, and must update those laws when loopholes become apparent. To its disgrace it has failed to do so in this case, but that does not justify the president’s decision here.
Trump Directs Justice Department to Ban Bump Stocks | National Review
Share stuff like this with your non gun friends. Explain how all the crap people spew is incredibly and deliberately dishonest
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What about this?
I have thought this through, And what it comes down to for me is...
This is not winning ... I don't give the benefit of doubt when it comes to the 2A ... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Therefore, I am getting off the Trump train.
At this point, Trump is just another politician to me that made the FU list ... FUDJT
Personally I don't care about bump stocks one way or another... But that's not the point...
The point is, is that Trump lied.
During his campaign I distinctly remember him saying this below,
"Not only does the 2A need to be protected, it needs to be strengthened."
I was wrong about Trump and that is very disappointing.
I have thought this through, And what it comes down to for me is...
This is not winning ... I don't give the benefit of doubt when it comes to the 2A ... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Therefore, I am getting off the Trump train.
At this point, Trump is just another politician to me that made the FU list ... FUDJT
Personally I don't care about bump stocks one way or another... But that's not the point...
The point is, is that Trump lied.
During his campaign I distinctly remember him saying this below,
"Not only does the 2A need to be protected, it needs to be strengthened."
I was wrong about Trump and that is very disappointing.
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
And some of you guys wonder why I don't trust Trump? Should I explain it again? Nah, it's becoming evident.
And people say I'm gullible. I never thought Trump was gonna do jack for gun rights. I just needed him to hold the status quo for a while. Looks like we are running out of time.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Remind me again how ANY other candidate, let alone a Democrat, would have handled this situation?
When it comes time to pull the lever in 2020, what option do you think you're going to have.
I'm as unhappy with this duplicity as ANYONE, but elections are binary choices and always will be.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I never had any faith in any of the candidates handling something like this with our Rights in mind. It's just that many looked up at Trump like a God that would save us and had problems with those that have trust issues with a man that has flopped sides more times than I can count.
Thats fine, thats fine. Just don't assume everything is al well when you do pull that lever, that's all. There are no options , never is, thats the problem. I have always been a Ron Paul guy, but no way does a guy like him ever have a chance. Its up to us, just like it was up to the Founding Fathers. Salvation lay within, not in Washington.
I didn’t vote for him in 2016 and I sure has hell won’t in 2020 now.
I voted for him. It would have made me sick if hillary had won. Thats the only reason I voted for him.
Presidential Memorandum on the Application of the Definition of Machinegun to “Bump Fire” Stocks and Other Similar Devices
Issued on: February 20, 2018
After the deadly mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 1, 2017, I asked my Administration to fully review how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regulates bump fire stocks and similar devices.
Although the Obama Administration repeatedly concluded that particular bump stock type devices were lawful to purchase and possess, I sought further clarification of the law restricting fully automatic machineguns.
Accordingly, following established legal protocols, the Department of Justice started the process of promulgating a Federal regulation interpreting the definition of “machinegun” under Federal law to clarify whether certain bump stock type devices should be illegal. The Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published in the Federal Register on December 26, 2017. Public comment concluded on January 25, 2018, with the Department of Justice receiving over 100,000 comments.
Today, I am directing the Department of Justice to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.
Although I desire swift and decisive action, I remain committed to the rule of law and to the procedures the law prescribes. Doing this the right way will ensure that the resulting regulation is workable and effective and leaves no loopholes for criminals to exploit. I would ask that you keep me regularly apprised of your progress.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
DONALD J. TRUMP
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As I read this, nowhere does he say he wants to ban them.
Did I read it wrong?
Issued on: February 20, 2018
After the deadly mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 1, 2017, I asked my Administration to fully review how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regulates bump fire stocks and similar devices.
Although the Obama Administration repeatedly concluded that particular bump stock type devices were lawful to purchase and possess, I sought further clarification of the law restricting fully automatic machineguns.
Accordingly, following established legal protocols, the Department of Justice started the process of promulgating a Federal regulation interpreting the definition of “machinegun” under Federal law to clarify whether certain bump stock type devices should be illegal. The Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published in the Federal Register on December 26, 2017. Public comment concluded on January 25, 2018, with the Department of Justice receiving over 100,000 comments.
Today, I am directing the Department of Justice to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.
Although I desire swift and decisive action, I remain committed to the rule of law and to the procedures the law prescribes. Doing this the right way will ensure that the resulting regulation is workable and effective and leaves no loopholes for criminals to exploit. I would ask that you keep me regularly apprised of your progress.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
DONALD J. TRUMP
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As I read this, nowhere does he say he wants to ban them.
Did I read it wrong?
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Which is why when the time comes to vote for Kamala Harris or The Donald in 2020, NONE of this will matter.
Guys like Pink Panther are either venting or just talking smack, they'll vote for Trump a million times over versus ANY Dem.
I'll repeat it again since some have clearly not understood the lesson: Elections are binary choices, and always will be.
Apparently.
Agreed. It sucks though.