Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'
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SmallGameAddict
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That's mostly true. I was Military Police, US Army. In my briefcase was a copy of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (for service members-any branch, on or off post), a copy of NYS Motor Vehicle and Traffic Law (for civilians on post), a copy of the NYS Penal Law (for civilians on post). Plus, two different traffic violation ticket books, one for civilians on post, one for service members on post. Military offenses are usually decided by your commanding officer, and others depending on severity. Civilians usually held and released to civilian authorities for disposition. On the other hand, as a US citizen, I was given every reasonable opportunity to vote.
There is no way that charging him with 3rd degree felony wouldn't have been pled down into a misdemeanor.
Yeah, age limits work so well with cigarettes and booze, right?
That didn't stop Newtown or Columbine. People dedicated to doing bad things aren't going to be deterred by an age limit. They'll steal guns from a family member or buy them with no background check.
You live in NY. It doesn't matter who you vote for. The Democrat is going to take the state's electoral votes. Every single person that voted for any third party could have voted for Trump and he still would have lost NY by 20 points.
Big difference between obtaining the tools of the trade illegally and going to the local gun shop and buying them over the counter.
....but I am certain you already know that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Funny. I remember some dude named Darthgamer on another forum who reversed his stance on gun laws as he got older. If I remember correctly, when he was younger, he had no issues with the permitting process and complied with the 1st AWB.
If that dude ever runs for office, don't vote for him. He's full of shit. There's no reversing.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Part of the problem.
Of course there's a big difference. I still contend that it won't stop someone intent on shooting up a school though. If they're willing to gun down innocent children, they're willing to go steal a gun from Uncle Bill or go down to the crack dealer on the corner and buy one out of the trunk of a car.
Excellent, could you prove that for the class?
I'd hate to think you just made that up.
And considering he seems to have 15 or so videos bitching about that very permitting process, I really can't wait for this one.
Making up lies doesn't bolster your position Will.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Excuse me, wimmin are perfectly legit in changing their minds.
Dr. Evil
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I wonder how many folks who are somewhat giddy with the thought of raising the age limit to appease those who want to take away our rights, so it won't "get worse", would say the same thing if they were under the age of 21? How is that different than a hunter who doesn't own an AR not caring about laws to ban AR's because it doesn't affect them?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It still matters to a point for popular vote numbers and graphs and maps for everyone to see where the rest of the state stands.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
This where I am getting off the Trump Train, his stupidity and jackboot tendencies are too much for me to excuse any longer.
So you'd rather have Clinton!?!?!?!?HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!?!?!?!?
Dr. Evil
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Go back and re quote me. I cleaned it up a bit.
Dr. Evil
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Ignore charging him for carrying a knife on school grounds so we can give misguided youths a chance and get more federal and state funding? Check.
Ignore multiple calls to local authorities by many to go investigate Cruz due to his behavior? Check.
Ignore calls to the FBI telling them he threatened to become a school shooter? Check.
Make new laws, and gun owners agreeing to them, to raise the minimum age of law abiding citizens to own a firearm as well as who knows what else will be heading our way so we can be considered "reasonable?" Check.
Absolutely stunning? Check.
Ignore multiple calls to local authorities by many to go investigate Cruz due to his behavior? Check.
Ignore calls to the FBI telling them he threatened to become a school shooter? Check.
Make new laws, and gun owners agreeing to them, to raise the minimum age of law abiding citizens to own a firearm as well as who knows what else will be heading our way so we can be considered "reasonable?" Check.
Absolutely stunning? Check.
The Libertarian vote is sending more of a message to show where people stand than a vote for Trump ever could have.
Now I have a feeling it's going to shift back to "but...No chance!"
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hmmm. I don't know about that. I doubt they care as evidenced by Paul Ryan's blocking of everything.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's correct.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
100%, I doubt much is going to come out of any of this at the end of the day, and many trump haters are laughing at gun owners and taunting us about our choice to vote for him. really, what choice did we have? hitlery or trump, thats a no brainer, we had to take a chance on him. he campaigned on supporting the 2a, national reciprocity, the wall, and Americans first. we have to hold him to it.
and as of this morning he is backtracking his statements. alot of people are thinking he is just playing "4D" chess with the left. if he is, i still don't support or agree with the comments he is making. play chess another way, but this is far to serious to treat as a game.
Celt
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Come on guys, I'm sure it's just it out context. No possible way he could not be the 2A messiah or anything.
did anyone actually ever say he was our 2a messiah? or was it an obvious choice when left with either hitlery or him? there is nothing wrong with hoping he was going to pass pro2a legislation as we knew hitlery wouldnt do anything but gut the 2a. of course its disappointing to hear him talk this way, and i dont support it at all. i hope he is only trying to set up the leftists in a trap of some sort, but i don't agree with how he is going about it.
Yes, yes they did.
Many flat out said on here before the election that they were a 1 issue voter.
Add to that this notion that we'd get supressors and reciprocity?
Yes, people actually said that about him.
Celt
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in fairness, no one called him their messiah, but I get your point. i remember the discussions before the election too, and we all were hopeful that we would get suppressors and reciprocity considering we would have a "republican" president and congress. there is nothing wrong with being hopeful, especially when faced with the alternative of hitlery.
even if someone is a 1 issue voter (which i see nothing wrong with if thats what they feel), we had trump saying he would strengthen the 2a and hitlery who would further restrict it, we simply had to vote for Trump and take our chances.
Now, if any of this crap ends up passing with Trumps support, and a gun owner says in good conscience that its a good thing or they support his decision, then they are not a true 2a supporter.
frankly, all the "i told you so" about Trump and this latest nonsense is childish (imo) because gun owners didnt really have a choice.
...and your correct. But, if the "bowl of fruits and nuts" steals the weapon (not something I'm celebrating or advocating for by the way) it takes some of the HEAT off us especially with the "sitting on the fence " crowd.
In certain circles we will still be blamed and hated but the "certain circle" will be smaller in circumference.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Lies? You said it in one of the numerous threads we've argued on where you claimed to never comply with laws and I said that you did in the past by getting your permit and following the previous AWB.Excellent, could you prove that for the class?
I'd hate to think you just made that up.
And considering he seems to have 15 or so videos bitching about that very permitting process, I really can't wait for this one.
Making up lies doesn't bolster your position Will.
I believe your words were more or less that you tried to be law abiding back then and believed in the system but no longer.
Berating those not wanting to get on the Trump train before the election was childish.
This is just pointing out the hard realities.
Celt
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why should we accept any FUTHER infringements. we, as 2a supporters have never had anything extra given to us. every time there is a so called compromise its US giving up MORE of our rights.
a compromise means we get something in return. when was the last time we got something in return (that wasnt already taken from us).