E the massive
.308 Win
I have been jumped and beaten, more than once. So maybe I'm a little biased when it comes to the use of force or maybe I just know the nature of people.
WATCH AND REACT: Argument Over Handicapped Spot Leads To Concealed Carrier Shooting And Killing Man,
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Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
1. People need to stop getting so worked up over handixapped spots there are way too many of them anyway
2. Dumb shit never had the right to push a guy on the ground for talking.
3. There is no way the guy on the ground actually felt he was going to die or be massively injured. After being adsaulted he should have been ready to defend himself with his gun but it is clear after he pulled that the guy who pushed him was not going to pursue it further. I am sure he could have gotten out of this without shooting.
4. All three people are idiots.
2. Dumb shit never had the right to push a guy on the ground for talking.
3. There is no way the guy on the ground actually felt he was going to die or be massively injured. After being adsaulted he should have been ready to defend himself with his gun but it is clear after he pulled that the guy who pushed him was not going to pursue it further. I am sure he could have gotten out of this without shooting.
4. All three people are idiots.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Pushing somebody on the pavement is not a capital offense, punishable by death. I would hazard a guess that an defense attorney might make an argument for serious bodily injury , but as a juror in that court, its going to be a tough sell for me. its true we don't have access to all the information , so we only have the video to go by. the chances of the victim getting stomped are high as the attacker moved forward. I believe the attacker would have continued to beat the man, but he didn't, and once he saw the weapon he withdrew quickly, Taking several steps away from the man on the ground. at this point I observed no imminent threat of injury or harm. ie: no cause to use lethal force to stop the threat, because the threat was no longer present. I see it as a just a bad judgment call. I personally would not have fired on that man .
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ive been in triple digit altercations in my adult life, and for the most part they were just street fights over bs, but i never truly felt my life was in danger to justify dpf, even when i was outnumbered. Twice i had a gun pulled on me, but it felt like an empty threat.
My last physical altercation was several years ago, it was with a road construction guy, and i also didnt feel any serious threat.
But, to my point, the world seems different now. Regular fights dont seem to happen so much, everyone pulls out a weapon, or people act tough until you call them out then they threaten to call the cops. Its kind of crazy, but ever since i got my permit and started carrying i avoid trouble like the plague, i even drive less aggressive. First because Id prefer to avoid bs altercations that could needlessly escalate, and 2 because id hate to lose my permit over something less than life threatening. The use of dpf is nothing to take lightly, and in a state like NY you better be certain.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Blimeys right ,there are far to many handicapped parking spaces anyway. Have you ever seen all of them filled up? Never. Home depot has to have at least 30 spots for handicapped people working on their house.
and they are almost always empty
and they are almost always empty
I hate the Handicapped Justice Warriors almost as much as I despise the ADA that made them law.
If you drop the emotional nonsense, the ADA is an absolute travesty.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You just slighted me. I feel threatened. I'm going to stand my ground. 9mm vs .45 ACP. I'll be wearing a level 2 vest that your round will not penetrate. May the best man caliber win.Well I can see why.
You just slighted me. I feel threatened. I'm going to stand my ground. 9mm vs .45 ACP. I'll be wearing a level 2 vest that your round will not penetrate. May the best man caliber win.
Head shot!
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Groin shot.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
If you watch the video frame by frame it seems to be very close too was the prep still menacing or backing away?
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Gotta run a a 45 Super set up for that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
@ECU PiratesGotta run a a 45 Super set up for that.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
The .45 smc has been pretty impressive so far. And it looked like a bs shoot to me also.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
let's bring one 'other factor' into the picture. **WHAT IF** the shooter had physical limitations. Such as, but not limited to, a bad back, bad hips or knees or other physical issues were defending himself would only be possible with a firearm. Now we have a big dude physically attack the idiot, yes he should have kept his mouth shut, but he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be attacked. The bad guy was well within the 21ft rule. Im going with good shoot
I have a bad back, my sciatic nerve hurts so bad sometimes I can barely walk. But if someone attacked me I would pull my firearm to defend myself. However, I would NEVER put myself in this situation. If someone parks in a handicapped spot, I don't care, I have my own health problems to deal with.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That's always a possibility . As the facts change , so can your viewpoint. We don't have all the info to make definite call , Were just dealing with what we can see at the time.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
You just slighted me. I feel threatened. I'm going to stand my ground. 9mm vs .45 ACP. I'll be wearing a level 2 vest that your round will not penetrate. May the best man caliber win.
You think that puny 9mm is going to penetrate this head?? Good luck! Nothing has so far!
Don't even bother shooting at my steel nuts . Unless your shooting kryptonite bullets , you better holster your weapon Son.
Right or wrong this situation was preventable because they are both idiots. One is a dead idiot and the other will probably be on trial shortly (either civil or criminal).
Don't have so much pride where you can't just ignore something and walk away. Is a handicap spot worth getting into a shooting over? Hell no. You never know what drugs someone is on, how mentally unstable someone is or what someone is capable of. Don't provoke the situation. Don't put yourself in that situation. A seemingly simple situation can rapidly escalate especially if some of the parties involved are not mentally sound or rational.
Maybe the shooter genuinely felt he was under imminent threat and had physical limitations and genuinely thought he was forced to defend his life. Maybe he was just over reacting and his temper and adrenaline got the best of him. Who knows.
IMO It shouldn't have gotten to that point. It's not worth it. Just let it go.
A personal Example, just yesterday I was driving in the right lane on an expressway early Saturday morning with very light traffic, the left lane was totally open. Some guy was driving like a complete jackass came flying up behind me at least 20 mph faster than I was going on an expressway, he swerved out of my lane at the last second he couldn't have been more than 3 or 4 feet from my bumper and then drove past me and honked. My immediate thought was to honk back and flip him off. I hesitated for a second and thought better of it. I ignored it and even though it pissed me off I just let it go. There was nothing to gain and no possible good meaningful outcome was going to be reached. All I would be doing is provoking a road rage incident with someone who is unstable.
Don't have so much pride where you can't just ignore something and walk away. Is a handicap spot worth getting into a shooting over? Hell no. You never know what drugs someone is on, how mentally unstable someone is or what someone is capable of. Don't provoke the situation. Don't put yourself in that situation. A seemingly simple situation can rapidly escalate especially if some of the parties involved are not mentally sound or rational.
Maybe the shooter genuinely felt he was under imminent threat and had physical limitations and genuinely thought he was forced to defend his life. Maybe he was just over reacting and his temper and adrenaline got the best of him. Who knows.
IMO It shouldn't have gotten to that point. It's not worth it. Just let it go.
A personal Example, just yesterday I was driving in the right lane on an expressway early Saturday morning with very light traffic, the left lane was totally open. Some guy was driving like a complete jackass came flying up behind me at least 20 mph faster than I was going on an expressway, he swerved out of my lane at the last second he couldn't have been more than 3 or 4 feet from my bumper and then drove past me and honked. My immediate thought was to honk back and flip him off. I hesitated for a second and thought better of it. I ignored it and even though it pissed me off I just let it go. There was nothing to gain and no possible good meaningful outcome was going to be reached. All I would be doing is provoking a road rage incident with someone who is unstable.
Someone initiated physical violence.
It is not the victim's job to second-guess the next step.
You fuck with someone physically - you have invited the outcome.
It is not the victim's job to second-guess the next step.
You fuck with someone physically - you have invited the outcome.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That was you!??? why the hell were you going so slow? Thought you were on the phone
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
The shooter needs to get over himself and not initiate an argument over something stupid like a parking spot. When I'm carrying, I let anything and everything roll off me to avoid that possible conflict, especially in NY where you may be named the initial aggressor and then have lost your ability to defend yourself with that firearm.
knuts
.45 acp
Yes, but a lot depends on the age and physical condition of the victim.
A fall can break a hip, smash a knee, cause a pregnant woman to lose her baby.
If I were pushed down I'd get my hands on my gun asap. But I would try like hell not to fire unless the aggressor were within arm's length.
And even then I may wish I just let him kill me (Trayvon Martin).
Not sure.
A local BJ's has so many Handicapped Spots it is just crazy. They are never filled.
Yet at a local Doctor's Office that caters to Geriatrics, they are always full.
Would it be so insane to weigh the number of spaces against the likely clientele ?
Perhaps businesses that cared to, could fill a USAGE REPORT every month or so ?
It would not be a mandatory thing, but would simply allow businesses that cared to fine-tune the situation ?
Right now I am certain no such discretion is possible.
Glenn B
.308 Win
That was my reaction. 
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Apparently the shooter may have a history of doing this (confronting people over social ills). I have only read a little bit about this so reserving my rights...
I haven't watched the video, I will, but-
OTOH. If you walk out of the store and see some kind of altercation involving your woman and a stranger (even if you/she were an asshole in the first place)- what would your reaction be?