Survival? The importance of being healthy and decent shape.

[meketrefe]

By popular demand, maybe...

This is a thread with the purpose of discussing life style changes, healthy habits and general health and how to better be prepared for survival or a fight. If you are not interested on this subject please do not troll the thread so we can be on target and prepared for real life.

We talk about pistol training, survival, prepping, etc.. and no much about the most important thing that is oneself and the importance of being healthy and in somewhat decent shape.

In order to approach these tactics with a certain degree of confidence and effectiveness one needs to consider the importance of being fit.

I am no sure how to move some posts that are now commingled with another thread for the monsanto trial so I will simply post here. @Dr. Evil & @Bullet Guy please join in with your input. Lets give this a try to get something useful done.

 

[meketrefe]

Some foundational Stuff copied from the other thread...

We are what we eat

People are getting sick because they eat too much and mostly poisoned foods.
With poison I don't mean the ones that kill you fast but those FDA approved that kill you slowly or make you sick.
It is the perfect storm if you think about it...
The industrial foods get you sick and the pharmaceuticals have you by the balls on perpetual medication.
They talk about flu pandemics,... what about the obesity, heart, diabetes, cancer and kidney pandemic that is happening right now?

Just ordered a grass fed cow to feed the family. We try to stay away from everything that is not whole food, good fruits and vegetables and nuts and berries.

-No breads and pastas.
-No bakery products.
-No vegetable oils (only cold press extra virgin olive oil and coconut butter)...these are the type you get from squeezing a product, no chemicals, no mechanical processing.
-No donuts, no fried stuff in garbage oils.
-No mayonaise unless is fresh from eggs and olive oil like it should be.
-No cheese
-Specially no cheese spreads. Those are like axle grease for your body unless is something natural like a goat cheese plain.
-No margarine ...They use this in GM trans axles! lol
-No creams
-No dressings
-no ketchup (sugar added)
-No sausages (like hots those are the worse)
-No tofu imitations or veggie burgers. Those are full of garbage oil and chemicals.
-No regular meats only grass fed, free range stuff.
-No corn or peas full of starch and sugars but little nutrition

What to eat Then...

very easy:

Organic eggs
Organic mushrooms
Organic whole milk (not too much)
Organic oats unprocessed.
Almonds, walnuts, cashews, peanuts
Fresh vegetables (not all have to be organic)
Extra virgin olive oil
Fruits of all kinds
Whole grains
Fresh meats, again grass fed, free range,
Fresh fish or frozen but good quality (No farm raised)
Sea salt
natural spices and tea
honey for some sweetness like in plain yogurt.

The ideal way to eat is the way we ate for millions of years... Lots of meat, vegetables, mushrooms, nuts and berries and water from the creeks.

That is how our bodies are programmed to thrive along with physical activity and also some fasting that has been normal through evolution.

 

[meketrefe]

Why the occasional Fasting then?

I actually had a bagel on Friday with olive oil on top so once in a while I might have some bread or bagel if it is of good quality.
It is all about lifestyle choices and while the proposed foods seems radical they are not.
I don't miss anything. Actually I realized all the other good things I was missing before that I really enjoy now.
I don't have to eat one single thing I do not enjoy yet eat something healthy.
Lots of flavors that cannot be imitated by industrial processing no matter how good the food engineers are.
Last weekend I did fasting for 48hrs. I had a big breakfast after doing 3 hrs of landscaping with fruit, 3 eggs, bacon, coffee, etc..
and then didn't eat until Monday at lunch time. One has to drink a lot of water but once one passes the 24hrs and the glucose
in your blood is gone that is the time of a bit weakness as the body transitions but after 24-28hrs the body goes into "battery" mode and
it starts to consume ones fat for fuel. This is one of the best things one can do for the body, again, once in a while.
Aside from all other benefits the clarity of mind is what strikes me the most.

This is a capacity all animals have and part of our genetic code and we don't get to use it anymore yet it is so beneficial.
Of course being a relatively healthy person w/o any ongoing issues, etc...
Like Dr. Evil says just living off medications is such a huge improvement in ones life.
People are dying. Kids as young as 12 and 13 years old already on insulin and other obesity related sickness.
Can you believe apple juice packs served in school cafeterias or orange juice has more sugar than the maximum recommended
for a kid for the entire day. And that is before the donuts, chocolate bars, peanut butter(not the natural/organic kind) and all the other shit.
The yellow "American" cheese is not even dairy. It has oils and bonding agents to make it look like cheese.
My dog would no eat it so imagine giving that to my kids.

IMO the industrial foods and big pharma have put people in a system where they slaves. And the FDA are in bed with
them and don't give shit about the health of people. The lobby and the politicians prostitute our health that then needs fixing with the taxpayers money.

Not even a pimp would do that to you.


Some quick reads....

Fasting..
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fasting-might-boost-chemo


Fasting & chemo trials. The only fasting research that pharmaceuticals might hesitantly support....
Effect of fasting therapy in chemotherapy-protection and tumorsuppression: a systematic review - Sun - Translational Cancer Research

The research is done and data collected. There is very little interested for many doctors and pharma if you people get healthier. They talk about it, they advertise it but all other things are designed to have you in perpetual slavery of industrial foods and medications.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Great idea.

I decided to eat less and eat better. I began in mid jan. 2018. I was 257 pounds.

At 1st i ate half the amount i used to eat. The weight began falling off. Then i cut out rice, pasta, and bread. I loat Even more weight. I then began tracking what i weight with an app basicaly counting calories. I was suprised by what foods were doing what to me.

It have been an amazing tranaformation. I feel better. Look better. And i never felt hungry the entire time. Actually felt quite full at times.

The downside? New pants. Shirts. And belts. Ha ha ha. I bought a new belt 2 months ago and it is already at the last hole!

I walk about an hour a day and do about 30 mins of stairs.

As of today, I have lost 57 pounds, And more than 7 inches around my waist.

The hardest part was just starting.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Great idea @meketrefe. I am actually watching a 10 part series right now about cancer from a gentleman who used diet and lifestyle alone to beat it. It is free for the next 10 days to anyone interested. One module each night that stays up for 24 hours. Very good information. I'll post the link to each module as they are available. Sorry, module one is shut down already. SQUARE ONE – Module-2-Why You Have Cancer & How to Eliminate the Causes (LIVE) — SQUARE ONE

I'll also post up tips I recommend to my patients for better health.

 

[meketrefe]

Interesting! thanks for sharing @Dr. Evil !... I don't have much time to watch TV (I don't even have cable TV) but it is always nice to see a documentary better than Hollywood garbage.

@Bullet Guy it seems that you made some remarkable changes in your life style.
Personally I do not monitor weight and took a different approach. I know the weight is the most fundamental measure to show the effects
of balancing the body but there are other ways.
In my case I do not monitory weight too closely because I know one might come with weight goals that can be deceiving and other factors
are at play. I did loose weight that I see in the clothes and everything but the main thing is that I notice the level of fitness improvements
and well being in general.
I figure if one truly changes his/her lifestyle however one does it faster or small increments one will see the benefits and don't have to worry
about goals, monitoring and sometimes artificial deadlines.
That is also why I don't follow any specific method or group or even talk much about it.
I do it and observe and learn from my own body. I try different things to see what works best or feels better but I don't go super optimistic
w/o sacrifice because I know that is what allows some people to bullshit themselves. LOL

 

[Dr. Evil]

Interesting! thanks for sharing @Dr. Evil !... I don't have much time to watch TV (I don't even have cable TV) but it is always nice to see a documentary better than Hollywood garbage.

This is an online course @meketrefe, not on television.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Dude....no cheese???

 

[meketrefe]

This is an online course @meketrefe, not on television.

OH!!! lol. got it! that is easier.

 

[tirwin1]

Curious - why no farm raised fish?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Curious - why no farm raised fish?

Is Farm-Raised Fish Healthy?

 

[meketrefe]

Dude....no cheese???

LOL ... Of course you can have cheese but one should also think about his/her own personal situation.
If you are 20 and are playing sports and fit probably do not have to worry about having some good cheese.
My broher is 57 and he runs ultra marathons so he can still eat cheese and many other things because he burns
absolutely everything. Still needs to take some considerations for his diet vs. someone who is 20.

Once health is determined by the following factors, in order of importance:
A) Genetics
B) Life style / food
C) Environmental factors
D) Quality of Health System

All that I am saying many dairy products have the bad colesterol so watch out if you have obesity, colesterol issues
and, if you wan to have certain products like cheese always have "real cheese" from dairy as natural as possible
and have it less often. Americans eat too much cheese and many times is not even real cheese or mixed with
other garbage for cheap filler and preservative.

Some cheeses are better than others too. Some are probiotic like yogurt. But also make sure the less mechanical
and chemical processing the better.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Let's talk about pH. Many understand pH when it comes to swimming pools and fish tanks. If the pH isn't balanced you would have green algae, fungus and other nasty things in your pool and dead fish in your fish tank. Well, your body is 60% water and pH is important with that too.

The pH scale goes from 0-14. The lower the number the more acidic and the higher the number the more alkaline. There needs to be a balance. Most people have an acidic environment in relation to pH. This is due to toxicity in the environment, chemicals in food, household cleaning products as well as lotions and potions we put on and in our body. Stress also lowers pH as well as infection. So diet, lifestyle and environment are very important in relation to pH.

Disease grows and thrives in an acidic environment but doesn't do well in an alkaline environment. It is an easy process to see what your pH is and monitor it. Although it can be done with saliva, urine gives a better overall functional aspect of your pH because the output or urine has to do with more overall body function compared to just the saliva in your mouth. You can buy pH strips or paper and test your urine with the first morning elimination after 5 am. Urine pH should be 6.4-7.0. Most will find it lower. Again, the idea is to have a balance between acidic and alkaline. Just like being too acidic isn't ideal, neither is being too alkaline.

Monitor it for a few weeks to see on average what it is so you have a baseline. Then you can google acid/alkaline food charts and make diet changes to start. Ideal is to have a ratio of 70/30 alkaline to acid foods. There are other things that can be done to change pH for the better but this is an important start. Once pH is stabilized in the AM take the pH in the late afternoon/early evening before dinner and try to get that balanced to.

Changing pH is one very important thing to do to help get well and stay well and sadly it really isn't discussed at all in the traditional "health" approach.

 

[meketrefe]

Curious - why no farm raised fish?

Their system is so delicate than any industrial process turns the fish into a toxins collector specially because the feed is not natural.
They do not raise grass uppers and worms or other smaller fish to feed the fish.
The colors and flavors you see are many times engineered and artificially induced through feed.

If you have to have fish try natural. Also watch out for large species form the ocean and their high content of heavy metals and PVC.

Same if you have to have a spread have real butter like the amish do and stay away from Philadelphia cheese that is not even real cheese
and more like an axle grease substitute.

No matter how much they say light, natural, vegan ...etc.. all bull shit. If it is whole like old fashion is always better for you because
no chemicals and zero are almost zero mechanical processes are involved. This doesnt mean that 2lbs of free range bacon every day are good for you but
it means, lets pay attention to the sources always.

Processed foods are not cheap neither and they are have garbage most of them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

LOL ... Of course you can have cheese but one should also think about his/her own personal situation.
If you are 20 and are playing sports and fit probably do not have to worry about having some good cheese.
My broher is 57 and he runs ultra marathons so he can still eat cheese and many other things because he burns
absolutely everything. Still needs to take some considerations for his diet vs. someone who is 20.

Once health is determined by the following factors, in order of importance:
A) Genetics
B) Life style / food
C) Environmental factors
D) Quality of Health System

All that I am saying many dairy products have the bad colesterol so watch out if you have obesity, colesterol issues
and, if you wan to have certain products like cheese always have "real cheese" from dairy as natural as possible
and have it less often. Americans eat too much cheese and many times is not even real cheese or mixed with
other garbage for cheap filler and preservative.

Some cheeses are better than others too. Some are probiotic like yogurt. But also make sure the less mechanical
and chemical processing the better.

Also in relation to pH, all animal products are acidic. Again, no one is saying don't have any. There is a balance though you should strive for. Lastly, cheese shouldn't last weeks and weeks in good shape. When I don't eat organic cheese in the appropriate time allotment, I can shave it. It goes bad due to the lack of chemical preservatives.

 

[meketrefe]

Also in relation to pH, all animal products are acidic. Again, no one is saying don't have any. There is a balance though you should strive for. Lastly, cheese shouldn't last weeks and weeks in good shape. When I don't eat organic cheese in the appropriate time allotment, I can shave it. It goes bad due to the lack of chemical preservatives.

The funny thing cheese is something it should be alive. IT can be probiotic and might even develop mildew that is ok. you can shave it and keep cutting vs. buying cheese full of chemicals in individual plastic wraps because it has to last and "it has too look higenic and good" to the modern folks who many have not even seen a cow in their lives.

This takes us to the subject of milk. I drink only whole milk from grass fed cows. If I could I would buy it from the farmer and cow directly, boil it and save the top crust to make a desert every once in a while.

But has anyone realized that most milk one buys, even most organic and expensive milk tastes like shit? It took me years to find milk that that
tasted like milk is supposed to taste. I grew up in a farm and also remember the old glass bottles with the cream collecting on the top?

I talked to store managers and other people and I realize is like talking to the wall because they have no clue how milk is suppose to taste.
They say not many people complains, well in cities many kids have never seen a real cow feeding on a pasture, what the fvck do they know about milk anyway.

They might give them chalk with water and they will drink it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The funny thing cheese is something it should be alive. IT can be probiotic and might even develop mildew that is ok. you can shave it and keep cutting vs. buying cheese full of chemicals in individual plastic wraps because it has to last and "it has too look higenic and good" to the modern folks who many have not even seen a cow in their lives.

This takes us to the subject of milk. I drink only whole milk from grass fed cows. If I could I would buy it from the farmer and cow directly, boil it and save the top crust to make a desert every once in a while.

But has anyone realized that most milk one buys, even most organic and expensive milk tastes like shit? It took me years to find milk that that
tasted like milk is supposed to taste. I grew up in a farm and also remember the old glass bottles with the cream collecting on the top?

I talked to store managers and other people and I realize is like talking to the wall because they have no clue how milk is suppose to taste.
They say not many people complains, well in cities many kids have never seen a real cow feeding on a pasture, what the fvck do they know about milk anyway.

They might give them chalk with water and they will drink it.

I use unsweetened vanilla almond milk. We even make our own.

 

[meketrefe]

I use unsweetened vanilla almond milk. We even make our own.

I eat almonds and then drink water! LOL

 

[meketrefe]

Lets get real, loosing some weight is pretty beneficial and can even save lives in the short term....

 

[Dr. Evil]

One last thing tonight as a foundational point. You do have the ability to change the direction your body and health is going in but it is a process. Take things one step at a time and ask questions if needed. Doctors like to blame health issues on 3 things. Bad luck, bad genes and bad germs. As far as "luck", well, you can decide if that makes sense. Next, bad genes. There is a field of study called epigenetics that is proving you can turn your genes on and off by how you live. Just because you have certain genes doesn't mean you're destined for the issue. Let's use an analogy folks on here would understand. Genes are the bullets in a gun and your lifestyle pulls the trigger. Lastly, bad germs. If that was true we would all be dead. Research shows there are approximately 10,000 different germs that live on and in a healthy body at any given time without doing harm. They actually have benefit.

The real causes of health issues are physical stress (strains/impacts/injuries) that affect the nervous system, chemical stress (what we eat, put on our body, in our body, breathe) and emotional stress. These three culprits cause the body to lose health and can destroy it. Don't just sit idly by and let things happen because some tell you you'll just have to learn to live with bad health. One of the biggest lies there is.

 

[masterswimmer]

About four years ago I looked at a photo of myself and got sick to my stomach. I hit 215 lbs (I'm 5' 11-3/4" (never hit 6')). I was disgusted with the way I looked. That's when I began swimming again. A little background. I was a competitive swimmer back in HS, but that ended in 1977. I stayed in shape most of the time since then. However, back in 2004 I had a bad car accident and wound up having two spinal fusions. I don't run, ski, play baseball, tennis, golf or any sport that puts compression or torque on my spine. I'm still in pain. Swimming is the only sport that offers neutral buoyancy, and naturally decompresses the spine. So that's what I do, I swim. It's a natural sport for me anyway. Worked out well.

I started extremely slow. Very short distances and very slow (time wise). I gradually over the course of the next six months increased my distance considerably. I now swim 2+ miles 4-5 times every week. I lost 47 lbs. I've kept the weight off for going on 3.5 years now. I'm down to 167-168 lbs. My resting heart rate is 45-48 bpm. My BP is consistently at 110/70. As bad as my health is now, my doctors all tell me not to stop what I'm doing because my fitness level is considered outstanding.

Let me add, I eliminated all carbonated soft drinks, high fructose corn syrup and alcohol from my diet. I do still eat pasta (need the carbs for my energy stores for swimming), bread (although not a lot. Definitely not daily), and I do like sweets. That is my downfall.

I despise the medical industry's BMI charts. According to my height and weight the chart reads my BMI at 22.8%. That's a load of horseshit. I got on a digital body fat weight scale. Also not a perfect means of measuring body fat, but it was definitely more in line with what would be expected. It came in at 9%. That's a big difference IMO.

Bottom line, i feel fit, but health is a totally different story. A much longer story.

 

[Doc8404]

Dude....no cheese???

Go keto. And eat bacon and cheese every day.

I did keto. Worked very quickly. But I love fruit. So I then called it paleo and modified it.

Then my blood tests came back. Cleaner than ever and I was pounding cheese and meats.

Now I’m just eating cleaner. The keto jumpstart was good for me mentally and physically.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Go keto. And eat bacon and cheese every day.

I did keto. Worked very quickly. But I love fruit. So I then called it paleo and modified it.

Then my blood tests came back. Cleaner than ever and I was pounding cheese and meats.

Now I’m just eating cleaner. The keto jumpstart was good for me mentally and physically.

I just might try that, thanks!

 

[Mosinitis]

I was always skinny in my youth so losing extra weight came easy. Two years ago I dropped 30lb in only a few month. I stopped overeating and started doing sit-ups and pull-ups. Minor lifestyle changes in my case. My cholesterol numbers improved significantly and most importantly my blood sugar is well in the safe zone. The reason I started doing this was my blood sugar. It was getting close to pre-diabetes level.

 

[Dr. Evil]

SQUARE ONE – Module-3-Implementing the Anti-Cancer Diet (LIVE) — SQUARE ONE Up for 24 hours.

 

[Doc8404]

SQUARE ONE – Module-3-Implementing the Anti-Cancer Diet (LIVE) — SQUARE ONE Up for 24 hours.

Wait.
So you’re saying, eat healthy and I could be healthy?
No fuckin way bro!

 

[GOPerfect]

Paying attention to what one eats is very, very difficult.

Life sometimes runs so fast, I am forced to eat on the run as I go. Too much coffee to keep things going.

Not using this as an excuse, my wife does the shopping, and will NOT stop buying the kind of crap that I sometimes like. And I am weak as water when it comes to food. Especially the kind of crap I enjoy.

The last six to nine months I have been working much harder to eat better. It is not easy. I will continue to work at it. I understand the importance of a good diet.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Paying attention to what one eats is very, very difficult.

Life sometimes runs so fast, I am forced to eat on the run as I go. Too much coffee to keep things going.

Not using this as an excuse, my wife does the shopping, and will NOT stop buying the kind of crap that I sometimes like. And I am weak as water when it comes to food. Especially the kind of crap I enjoy.

The last six to nine months I have been working much harder to eat better. It is not easy. I will continue to work at it. I understand the importance of a good diet.

You need to make food for week and portion it. Take it with you. Go with EXACTLY what you need on your list for the food you eat for the week and buy just that. Eat to live instead of living to eat. I hear what you are saying but sometimes that just means you haven't hit rock bottom or aren't desperate enough. You don't want to wait until you are there though.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Fuck! I ate a piece of pizza (and like a good 10 year old i did not eat the crust!) tonight!

1st pizza slice in 10 months!

Am i gonna die.

If i die you assholes can have my stuff. @Darth gets the DE razor for use on his hairy bush!

 

[GOPerfect]

You need to make food for week and portion it. Take it with you. Go with EXACTLY what you need on your list for the food you eat for the week and buy just that. Eat to live instead of living to eat. I hear what you are saying but sometimes that just means you haven't hit rock bottom or aren't desperate enough. You don't want to wait until you are there though.

Again, sounds like more excuses, sometimes that is really tough. I will make food and bring it to work but then I get forced for overtime. Stuck eating food that I do not really want. If I get forced, it is the 11pm to 7am shift. No place good open to eat.

Like I say, working to get better everyday.