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in looking for 7.62 or 308 rifle.
Saiga fits the NY crap.
Are Saiga’s reliable? Easy to maintain?
Saiga fits the NY crap.
Are Saiga’s reliable? Easy to maintain?
Saiga 7.62 - School me about them
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GOYABEAN
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Thanks but looking for 7.62
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They are out there but pricey should have bought a few back when you could pick them up for $3something now up to $1000 used
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Send me details please
308 will also shoot 7.62?
lolzThere is the communist bloc 7.62 x 39 (I have one of these too, but I'm not sure yet if I'm going to sell it) and then there is 7.62x51, also known as .308 Win or .308 NATO. The one I am talking about is the 7.62x51 (.308).
The Saigas are Russian made AK variants with black synthetic stocks and are NY SAFE compliant.
The Saigas are Russian made AK variants with black synthetic stocks and are NY SAFE compliant.
A quick ammo caliber lesson
7.62x25 - called Tokarov, a pistol cartridge
7.62x39 - sometimes combined with "Russian", the AK cartridge, a rifle caliber similar to the 30-30 in power,but NOT the same
7.62x51 - .308 Win or NATO, common U.S. round
7.62x54r- another communist bloc caliber, similar to our .30-06, but NOT the same. These are for the Mosin-Nagant rifle, Dragunov sniper rifle. The "R" at the end stands for rimless.
There may be more, but these are the most common. Confusing? Wait 'til we talk 9mm!
7.62x25 - called Tokarov, a pistol cartridge
7.62x39 - sometimes combined with "Russian", the AK cartridge, a rifle caliber similar to the 30-30 in power,but NOT the same
7.62x51 - .308 Win or NATO, common U.S. round
7.62x54r- another communist bloc caliber, similar to our .30-06, but NOT the same. These are for the Mosin-Nagant rifle, Dragunov sniper rifle. The "R" at the end stands for rimless.
There may be more, but these are the most common. Confusing? Wait 'til we talk 9mm!
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That's the only place saigas are made
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I thought they are now making them here in the states now?
Not saigas
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AKs?
A quick ammo caliber lesson
7.62x25 - called Tokarov, a pistol cartridge
7.62x39 - sometimes combined with "Russian", the AK cartridge, a rifle caliber similar to the 30-30 in power,but NOT the same
7.62x51 - .308 Win or NATO, common U.S. round
7.62x54r- another communist bloc caliber, similar to our .30-06, but NOT the same. These are for the Mosin-Nagant rifle, Dragunov sniper rifle. The "R" at the end stands for rimless.
There may be more, but these are the most common. Confusing? Wait 'til we talk 9mm!
I think you mean rimmed speaking of 7.62 x 54 R. They have a big honking rim..heh
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Thanks for the lessonA quick ammo caliber lesson
7.62x25 - called Tokarov, a pistol cartridge
7.62x39 - sometimes combined with "Russian", the AK cartridge, a rifle caliber similar to the 30-30 in power,but NOT the same
7.62x51 - .308 Win or NATO, common U.S. round
7.62x54r- another communist bloc caliber, similar to our .30-06, but NOT the same. These are for the Mosin-Nagant rifle, Dragunov sniper rifle. The "R" at the end stands for rimless.
There may be more, but these are the most common. Confusing? Wait 'til we talk 9mm!
A 7.62x39 = 30-30 but not the same. Can you explain more on that please
Similar not the same
7.62x39 123gr Federal Fusion = 2,350fps / 1,508ftlbs
30-30 170gr Remington Exprese = 2,200fps / 1,827ftlbs
There are some Kalashnikovs style rifles that are made here in the states, such as palmeto state, there are others that import other countries surplus parts kits ftom all over (like arsenal who uses Bulgarian parts kits)
There is no US made Saiga rifles
Proofread, proofread, proofread! Damn autocorrect!
You're welcome! It happens a lot in the bullet business! (.22 short, long, long rifle, WMR; the 9mm clan, etc)
What ed said! Similar in power, either could be used as a deer rifle. But definitely not interchangeable. On the other hand, while the .308 Win and 7.62x51 NATO are not identical, they can be loaded into the other's chambers because of their similarities.
Now back to your dilemma - 7.62x39 (the Russian, AK cartridge hereto now referred to as "39) vs the 7.62x51 (NATO, US cartridge, 308 Win, hereto now referred to as .308). The 39 is a relatively short distance cartridge, 200-300 yards before it drops off dramatically, whereas the 308 has greater distance capabilities 600-800 yards, even out past 1000+, delivering more energy at greater distances than the 39.
Target shooting, sniper duty, hunting big game, availability of different purpose cartridges and bullet weight (110 gr, 125, 150,165, 168, 175, 185 gr. etc.) give the flexibility advantage to the 308.
Target shooting, sniper duty, hunting big game, availability of different purpose cartridges and bullet weight (110 gr, 125, 150,165, 168, 175, 185 gr. etc.) give the flexibility advantage to the 308.
And back to the original question, Saigas are AK based so they are highly reliable and fairly easy to maintain. Big problem now, because of sanctions imposed by the Obama administration and furthered by the current administration, they are not being imported into the U.S. anymore. Values have skyrocketed and continue to rise.
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There needs to be a “Boo or Bummer” button
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Boo bummer button about Obama’s stopping the imports making the prices jump.
Which caliber is a tough question now. I was thinking the 7.62x39 as it seems to be cheaper and more easily to find. But now you say 308 is more versatile, longer range, more bullet weights and styles. So much confusion for me.
I don’t hunt but every once in awhile a friend asks me to take out some woodchucks and has mentioned coyotes also. Mostly this is wanted(not really needed) for defense.
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It’s not so much that I want a AK platform. I want a reliable semi-auto rifle larger than a 5.56 that I don’t have to mutate. So far that’s either a M1 Garand (don’t like how you load it), M1a(big $) or a Saiga. If you know of other options please let me know.
Thanks for all this help
Yes, they are very reliable. That said, I personally couldn't bring myself to buy one at the current prices. For what they cost while they were still being imported they were a great choice for the money. They were also great choices for Pre-SAFE NY, because they could be fairly easily converted to traditional AKM style which met '94/NY '04 ban requirements and were the best quality you could get/make such a thing for the money. In post-SAFE NY, they meet the ban requirements in their standard form, but the import ban has put them at prices that they just aren't worth.
GOYABEAN
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You can always go to the reliability of the SKS it's in your caliber you can change stocks you could change mag's easy-to-use and maintain price is responsible and won't lose value parts are plentiful !