Federal Judge: NRA Suit Against New York Can Proceed on First Amendment Grounds

[livingston]

Federal Judge: NRA Suit Against New York Can Proceed on First Amendment Grounds
U.S. District Judge Thomas McAvoy ruled Tuesday that the NRA’s suit against New York can continue on First Amendment grounds.
The New York Law Journal reports McAvoy issued his ruling after Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and Department of Financial Services Superintendent Maria Vullo sought to have the NRA’s suit dismissed.



On May 3, Breitbart News reported that New York declared NRA’s Carry Guard insurance program “illegal” and barred it from being marketed in the state. The state also canceled policies of New Yorkers who had already acquired Carry Guard.
The case is NRA v. Cuomo, No. 18-CV-0566 in the Northern District of New York.
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NRA Suit Against New York Can Proceed on First Amendment Grounds

 

[Catskillkid]

It'll lose. Then will it go to SCOTUS? I'm not so sure. I wish them luck though. This has implications far beyond the 2nd Amendment.

 

[stuck in ny]

Why does this have fucking priority over object bans? Oh, yeah, NRA money.

 

[CaseHardened]

I renewed my NRA Membership.

You people in NY are lucky the NRA supports you.

Wisely, the NRA never wastes its funds in my state, Massachusetts.

 

[96coal449]

Need a start somewhere. Cumos got to be chipped away at.

Make him bleed.

 

[Apeman]

I renewed my NRA Membership.

You people in NY are lucky the NRA supports you.

Wisely, the NRA never wastes its funds in my state, Massachusetts.

The NRA does not support us in N.Y. As someone stated above this is about money to them. They don't give a shit about our rights. They just want us to be able to buy their insurance so they can fill their pockets.

 

[Phazer]

I renewed my NRA Membership.

You people in NY are lucky the NRA supports you.

Wisely, the NRA never wastes its funds in my state, Massachusetts.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha !

Lol!

That's funny!

 

[CaseHardened]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha !

Lol!

That's funny!

I'll trade Elizabeth Warren for whatever you got.

 

[CaseHardened]

The NRA does not support us in N.Y. As someone stated above this is about money to them. They don't give a shit about our rights. They just want us to be able to buy their insurance so they can fill their pockets.

You don't like Gun Insurance ? Is it wrong to make a profit while doing so ?

You might as well bitch that the Gasoline Companies are only in NY because they can profit from selling Gas.

 

[Jmac]

Two scum bags

 

[Apeman]

You don't like Gun Insurance ? Is it wrong to make a profit while doing so ?

You might as well bitch that the Gasoline Companies are only in NY because they can profit from selling Gas.

I have no problem with them doing business in N.Y. I don't have a problem with them selling insurance either. I hope they win. Winning this case will help N.Y. residents by letting them buy insurance. To the NRA this is about getting money. They haven't done anything to help us get our gun rights back. There's no profit in it for them. Because they won't fight for our gun rights I won't give them another cent.

 

[Shadow2]

supports US ... that's a joke right? Your studying stand up.

I renewed my NRA Membership.

You people in NY are lucky the NRA supports you.

Wisely, the NRA never wastes its funds in my state, Massachusetts.

 

[Steal2B]

I have no problem with them doing business in N.Y. I don't have a problem with them selling insurance either. I hope they win. Winning this case will help N.Y. residents by letting them buy insurance. To the NRA this is about getting money. They haven't done anything to help us get our gun rights back. There's no profit in it for them. Because they won't fight for our gun rights I won't give them another cent.

Say what you want about effectiveness but it looks like the NRA spends more in NY than it gets back. New York is not even in the top 10 states for number of NRA members or as a source of donations / membership revenue but in terms of State level spending, ONLY California, Texas, and Florida received more from the NRA than NY and those states have more than TRIPLE the NRA membership compared to NY.

 

[CaseHardened]

I have no problem with them doing business in N.Y. I don't have a problem with them selling insurance either. I hope they win. Winning this case will help N.Y. residents by letting them buy insurance. To the NRA this is about getting money. They haven't done anything to help us get our gun rights back. There's no profit in it for them. Because they won't fight for our gun rights I won't give them another cent.

I am unaware of the NRA ever lifting a finger for Massachusetts Gun Owners.

Yet I strongly support them - why ?

Because the 2A issue needs to be addressed where it belongs - SCOTUS.

Not in every state, city and town in the USA.

And, BTW, their magazine IS pretty damn good reading !

 

[Shadow2]

If im not mistaken After the Safe Act passed NY took the lead on active NRA members. Its not even listed on the too 10 for campaign contributions in 2017. Here is the real kicker, the NRA was founded in NY in 1871 and NY is treated like shit. They don’t deserve any money from NewYorkers.

Say what you want about effectiveness but it looks like the NRA spends more in NY than it gets back. New York is not even in the top 10 states for number of NRA members or as a source of donations / membership revenue but in terms of State level spending, ONLY California, Texas, and Florida received more from the NRA than NY and those states have more than TRIPLE the NRA membership compared to NY.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Say what you want about effectiveness but it looks like the NRA spends more in NY than it gets back.

Where did you find that info?

 

[Steal2B]

If im not mistaken After the Safe Act passed NY took the lead on active NRA members. Its not even listed on the too 10 for campaign contributions in 2017. Here is the real kicker, the NRA was founded in NY in 1871 and NY is treated like shit. They don’t deserve any money from NewYorkers.

You are mistaken about NY's volume of NRA members. NY has always had less than one third the members of Texas, Florida, and California and has not cracked the top 10 in the 20 years I saw data. In spite of the FACTS, New York gets more NRA spending than almost all States and it looks like it's usually in the top 5. The NRA's political influence is from a voting group and can not compete with the much richer star laden lobby groups financially such as Bloomberg and his spin offs (Moms Demand, Everytown, Giffords, etc).

 

[Karpteach]

I'll trade Elizabeth Warren for whatever you got.

You want UPChuck Schumer?!?!?!

 

[Steal2B]

Where did you find that info?

In response to some political allegations during 2016 and 2018 NY campaigns that ticked me off and a previous post here, I spent a couple days digging up publically available Annual financial reports from the NRA, campaign finance reports on the NRA as well as NY candidates, and some public Campaign financials on gun grabbing groups. By pure chance I had brief access to some financial data from a Shannon Watts' operative working out of another state. The NRA spending info was not hard to find but sorting out national vs state by state spending involves more than one report. Although it was not hidden, historical NRA membership info was a library search of old publications but current membership numbers were in an NRA booklet mailed to my wife. It took more effort to trace down info and dark money from gun grabbers and I probably only found the tip of the Iceberg for the progressive anti 2A's. I want to add that the numbers show the NRA gambled and bet the farm between their National campaign to resist Obama's Second term and Support Trump against Hillary. The dollars to support Trump dwarfed State level spending although there may have been a generic trickle effect for down ballot candidates from ads and mailings.

 

[Steal2B]

Where did you find that info?

Just wanted to share a related observation when I was digging up numbers on the NRA.

When going through numbers, there was a pretty consistent trend where the purported number of gun owners in a State was remarkably proportional to the number of NRA members. I believe it was a relatively low band of like 5% to 8% of gun owners by State were members of the NRA, which seemed low but was consistent when comparing info from a few diverse sources.

 

[CaseHardened]

You want UPChuck Schumer?!?!?!

DONE DEAL - THE TRADE IS ON !!

Fauxahontas will be on the next Wagon Train headed west to NY.

As for Schumer, tie some Roller Skates on his Feet, and a Rocket on his Back.

Always worked for Wile E Coyote.

 

[oc shooter]

may make some enemies but you have to be a total fool not to support the NRA

 

[CaseHardened]

may make some enemies but you have to be a total fool not to support the NRA

I completely agree.

So they "profit" (shudder) on selling Insurance and whatever.

The next person that complains about Capitalism had better be able to tell me with a straight face that they work for free.

SELLING your skills and time for a Paycheck IS PROFITEERING and is the essense of Capitalism.

David Hogg would not hate the NRA so much if he believed them to be ineffectual.

 

[96coal449]

David Hogg

You had to say his name ..... DIDN'T YOU!
It's like saying rumplestilskin.

 

[CaseHardened]

You had to say his name ..... DIDN'T YOU!
It's like saying rumplestilskin.

Yeah.

If a day went by and no one noticed him he'd hang himself.

Sorry.

Maybe he'll do it tomorrow.

 

[Shadow2]

I found the article i remembered reading on the subject.

New York passes gun control, NRA membership skyrockets

"New York now boasts 41,000 NRA members, up from the 22,000 members in January 2013, making it the largest NRA affiliate chapter in the country — surpassing even Texas."

You are mistaken about NY's volume of NRA members. NY has always had less than one third the members of Texas, Florida, and California and has not cracked the top 10 in the 20 years I saw data. In spite of the FACTS, New York gets more NRA spending than almost all States and it looks like it's usually in the top 5. The NRA's political influence is from a voting group and can not compete with the much richer star laden lobby groups financially such as Bloomberg and his spin offs (Moms Demand, Everytown, Giffords, etc).

 

[BDinPutnam]

Thank fucking god they can proceed to spend money and effort on this lawsuit while unSAFE II is being drafted.

Dickheads.

 

[Steal2B]

I found the article i remembered reading on the subject.

New York passes gun control, NRA membership skyrockets

"New York now boasts 41,000 NRA members, up from the 22,000 members in January 2013, making it the largest NRA affiliate chapter in the country — surpassing even Texas."

Good find and memory but the article is not discussing NRA membership in New York, it is discussing membership in the NRA Affiliate Chapter which is the New York State Rifle And Pistol Association.

The article compares post SAFE Act membership of NYSRPA to the Texas NRA Affiliate Chapter - Texas State Rifle Association.

The author, Katie McHugh, did a bad job with her click bait headline which is deceiving, but the information on the numbers was the same as the boasts from Peter King who was President of NYSRPA.

Actual NY NRA membership was much much larger than NYSRPA membership and Texas NRA membership was more than triple New York's NRA membership.

 

[96coal449]

Thank fucking god they can proceed to spend money and effort on this lawsuit while unSAFE II is being drafted.

Dickheads.

Your right. Absolutely. I could only hope the NRA would come to their duty to defend us. When they do just a little it seems they are just out there to collect a paycheck. Sometimes I want to believe they're for our best interests, @CaseHardened
Other times I just don't give a fuck to believe in much any longer. Time marches on ......
I usually prefer my honey badger status.

 

[Acer-m14]

so much for Washington .. it got passed on the public ballot .. how much did the NRA invest to stop it ..

NRA needs a fkin name change NMA .. National Musket Association

just my opinion .. if you like them i don't care and will not hold it against you ..

but for this Topic Title and whats its about .. i hope they bust FUAC's Bank and him ..

Life , Liberty and the all the Happiness .. till you have to beg for a business licence , permits and fees to make $$$ from a king of the land to live your life and go for that happiness .. FUAC