livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
We just have Cuomo and his band of liberals in Albany . A year from now one could be hard pressed to be able to buy any gun in this state ... or possess one ...
Washington State is worse than NY now.
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96coal449
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Sadly it's way past hope. If we don't matter why would the minorities beliefs make a gram of difference to the ''powers at be?"
As I said in the other thread, just because it won the popular vote doesn't make it right, or legal, or Constitutional.
You cannot vote away someone's Rights just because you outnumber them.
If we had a Supreme Court that actually understood and believed in the Constitution the Washington measure would be thrown out faster than a false accuser by the Dems. As well as all this bullshit we have to endure in New York.
You cannot vote away someone's Rights just because you outnumber them.
If we had a Supreme Court that actually understood and believed in the Constitution the Washington measure would be thrown out faster than a false accuser by the Dems. As well as all this bullshit we have to endure in New York.
We The People need to FORCE the supreme court to hear cases that acctually matter.
What the hell are they for? Gay cakes!!
Useless bunch of fucks.
Citizens should have a say in what is heard by the court.
Them making the decisions on what to hear is absured.
This gun issue is one of the most polarizing debates in the fucking history of the entire fucking earth.
These SCOTUS pussies choose to hear cases about fag cakes and giant fucking crosses in Maryland.
Fuck scotus, they are useless....unless you want a cock on a cake.
And watch how NY beats Washington in 2019. Cuomo will NOT be outdone on gun laws.
What the hell are they for? Gay cakes!!
Useless bunch of fucks.
Citizens should have a say in what is heard by the court.
Them making the decisions on what to hear is absured.
This gun issue is one of the most polarizing debates in the fucking history of the entire fucking earth.
These SCOTUS pussies choose to hear cases about fag cakes and giant fucking crosses in Maryland.
Fuck scotus, they are useless....unless you want a cock on a cake.
And watch how NY beats Washington in 2019. Cuomo will NOT be outdone on gun laws.
96coal449
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I'm just waiting for the end ......
Honey Badger status ....... activated.
I just don't give a fuck anymore.
Honey Badger status ....... activated.
I just don't give a fuck anymore.
camper4lyfe
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Already have to do that in Rochester to get a CCW
You have to sign over you hipa rights to get a license in Rochester? Show me In the penal law where you have to do that?
camper4lyfe
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No HIPAA release, no CCW. Penal code or not, that's how it works.
Ok so again show me in the penal law where it says you have to sign over your hipa rights to get a license here in New York?
camper4lyfe
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Yeah, I get it. Good luck fighting it, though.
Still not able to link the penal code?
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
LOL a Ruger 10/22 just became an "assault" weapon in Washington. A state named after one of the leaders of a revolution aimed at self governance and liberty. SMDH
wasn't that the whole idea with having @eris and friends from The Liberal Gun Club join?
Someone would need to take this to court.
They would lose in lower courts.
So, try for SCOTUS.
For that, refer to my post above.
Useless pussies.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
You buying?
Oh and you are voluntarily giving up your hipa rights for a carry license.
Washington HAS to give up their hipa rights for any akd all guns
camper4lyfe
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No I'm not.
See so you dont HAVE to sign away your hipa rights
You're right. No one HAS to sign away their HIPA rights.
Apparently the fact that you then aren't able to exercise your 2A Rights doesn't mean shit to you, but technically you are correct. yippee.
Feel better now?
No actually I am for the most part able to exercise my 2A rights. The county I live in follows the (while unconstitutional) penal law when issuing carry licenses. They dont add extra things that are BOTH unconstitutional and also go against/further than the already unconstitutional law
Oh and the "doesnt mean shit to you" sorry but I think you are thinking about you and others who live in places like Rochester and allow the judges to run rampant and unchecked and stomp on their rights
camper4lyfe
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Where I plan to move to is as well. Livingston Cnty is WAY better than Monroe.
Other than the 9 month wait, getting a full carry in Monroe County was easy. Plus, no questions asked when adding an AR lower to a pistol permit (because it's legal). The clerks are all very PRO gun in Monroe. As are the Sheriffs.
I do believe I had to sign a form letting them look into my mental health record though...so yeah that is unconstitutional. But it IS in NY PL400...
S 400.00 Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms.
1. Eligibility. No license shall be issued or renewed pursuant to this
section except by the licensing officer, and then only after
investigation and finding that all statements in a proper application
for a license are true. No license shall be issued or renewed except for
an applicant (a) twenty-one years of age or older, provided, however,
that where such applicant has been honorably discharged from the United
States army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard, or the
national guard of the state of New York, no such age restriction shall
apply; (b) of good moral character; (c) who has not been convicted
anywhere of a felony or a serious offense; (d) who is not a fugitive
from justice; (e) who is not an unlawful user of or addicted to any
controlled substance as defined in section 21 U.S.C. 802; (f) who being
an alien (i) is not illegally or unlawfully in the United States or (ii)
has not been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa
subject to the exception in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2); (g) who has not been
discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (h) who,
having been a citizen of the United States, has not renounced his or her
citizenship; (i) who has stated whether he or she has ever suffered any
mental illness; (j) who has not been involuntarily committed to a
facility under the jurisdiction of an office of the department of mental
hygiene pursuant to article nine or fifteen of the mental hygiene law,
I do believe I had to sign a form letting them look into my mental health record though...so yeah that is unconstitutional. But it IS in NY PL400...
S 400.00 Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms.
1. Eligibility. No license shall be issued or renewed pursuant to this
section except by the licensing officer, and then only after
investigation and finding that all statements in a proper application
for a license are true. No license shall be issued or renewed except for
an applicant (a) twenty-one years of age or older, provided, however,
that where such applicant has been honorably discharged from the United
States army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard, or the
national guard of the state of New York, no such age restriction shall
apply; (b) of good moral character; (c) who has not been convicted
anywhere of a felony or a serious offense; (d) who is not a fugitive
from justice; (e) who is not an unlawful user of or addicted to any
controlled substance as defined in section 21 U.S.C. 802; (f) who being
an alien (i) is not illegally or unlawfully in the United States or (ii)
has not been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa
subject to the exception in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2); (g) who has not been
discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (h) who,
having been a citizen of the United States, has not renounced his or her
citizenship; (i) who has stated whether he or she has ever suffered any
mental illness; (j) who has not been involuntarily committed to a
facility under the jurisdiction of an office of the department of mental
hygiene pursuant to article nine or fifteen of the mental hygiene law,
Show me where you sign away all your hipa rights. Not just state that you arent the highlighted portion
Hey look a 4473 asks if about mental shit and institutionalized and what not, but doesnt ask to sign away your hipa rights....... hmmm who would have thought..... that asking is different than actually signing a form allowing the federal/state/local government to go through all of your medical records......
Not that I agree with signing away HIPPA rights AT ALL...but how else would they confirm that you have not been involuntarily committed, other than giving them access to your mental health records?
According to what I highlighted in red, you have to STATE that you have not suffered any mental illness, and you can not have been involuntarily committed. You don't just STATE that you have not been committed, it says that you can NOT have been committed...so how do they prove that?
Again, I don't agree with it at all...but signing away your HIPPA rights is the only way a county investigator can follow PL400's requirements...So it IS in the spirit of the law to access HIPPA...
Again...Again...IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I agree.
According to what I highlighted in red, you have to STATE that you have not suffered any mental illness, and you can not have been involuntarily committed. You don't just STATE that you have not been committed, it says that you can NOT have been committed...so how do they prove that?
Again, I don't agree with it at all...but signing away your HIPPA rights is the only way a county investigator can follow PL400's requirements...So it IS in the spirit of the law to access HIPPA...
Again...Again...IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I agree.
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How do they also know that you are not addicted to "illicit drugs"
I mean you must "state" that you are not right?
Well according to the law, I think they could also require a drug test to prove you aren't addicted. Again, unconstitutional, but it is in the spirit of the law.
If PL400 gives a requirement that IS able to be investigated, the county can ask for HIPPA and drug tests etc.
Until NYS is forced to be a SHALL issue state, we are at the whim of PL400's requirements.
Now...a TRAINING requirement for a carry permit...THAT is nowhere in PL400 (except for Westchester County, where it's written into PL400). required training classes ARE not legal to require.
If PL400 gives a requirement that IS able to be investigated, the county can ask for HIPPA and drug tests etc.
Until NYS is forced to be a SHALL issue state, we are at the whim of PL400's requirements.
Now...a TRAINING requirement for a carry permit...THAT is nowhere in PL400 (except for Westchester County, where it's written into PL400). required training classes ARE not legal to require.