Tinman
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Why dont we ever hear about how they are going to take away guns from the bad guys? It is always about going after the law abiding gun owners.
Democrats promise congressional action on gun control
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livingston
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Democrats Plan to Pursue Most Aggressive Gun-Control Legislation in Decades
Focus spurred by an incoming class of lawmakers with ‘F’ NRA ratings who campaigned on the issue
WASHINGTON—Democrats say they will pass the most aggressive gun-control legislation in decades when they become the House majority in January, plans they renewed this week in the aftermath of a mass killing in a California bar.
Their efforts will be spurred by an incoming class of pro-gun-control lawmakers who scored big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, although any measure would likely meet stiff resistance in the GOP-controlled Senate.
Democrats ousted at least 15 House Republicans with “A” National Rifle Association ratings, while the candidates elected to replace them all scored an “F” NRA rating.
“This new majority is not going to be afraid of our shadow,” said Mike Thompson, a California Democrat who is chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force. “We know that we’ve been elected to do a job, and we’re going to do it.”
Mr. Thompson, who represents a district in the Napa Valley north of San Francisco, said he plans to introduce legislation mandating universal background checks in the opening weeks of the new Congress.
The gun-control movement’s evolution was evident this week following news that a dozen people had been killed Thursday at a country music bar in Thousand Oaks, Calif.
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Democrats Plan to Pursue Most Aggressive Gun-Control Legislation in Decades
Focus spurred by an incoming class of lawmakers with ‘F’ NRA ratings who campaigned on the issue
WASHINGTON—Democrats say they will pass the most aggressive gun-control legislation in decades when they become the House majority in January, plans they renewed this week in the aftermath of a mass killing in a California bar.
Their efforts will be spurred by an incoming class of pro-gun-control lawmakers who scored big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, although any measure would likely meet stiff resistance in the GOP-controlled Senate.
Democrats ousted at least 15 House Republicans with “A” National Rifle Association ratings, while the candidates elected to replace them all scored an “F” NRA rating.
“This new majority is not going to be afraid of our shadow,” said Mike Thompson, a California Democrat who is chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force. “We know that we’ve been elected to do a job, and we’re going to do it.”
Mr. Thompson, who represents a district in the Napa Valley north of San Francisco, said he plans to introduce legislation mandating universal background checks in the opening weeks of the new Congress.
The gun-control movement’s evolution was evident this week following news that a dozen people had been killed Thursday at a country music bar in Thousand Oaks, Calif.
More at ...
Democrats Plan to Pursue Most Aggressive Gun-Control Legislation in Decades
Dr. Evil
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Good! This is the fault of these NRA rated Republicans! If they were really A+ rated, they would have done something when they were in power. The did not do shit! They suck and they lost their jobs. Good.
If the Democrats get this crap passed in the House, good for them; at least they have the balls to do what they say are going to do.
None of this will pass in the Senate and defiantly will not be signed by the President.
Again, the time has passed for the GOP to actually use the power!
If the Democrats get this crap passed in the House, good for them; at least they have the balls to do what they say are going to do.
None of this will pass in the Senate and defiantly will not be signed by the President.
Again, the time has passed for the GOP to actually use the power!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think we need to come to grips that the Republicans want gun control too. Just like you said @GOPerfect, they did nothing. They let National Reciprocity die in their Senate. They had every opportunity to pass pro-gun laws too. Nothing.
It's all a game for votes. They act like they are for gun rights but never do anything in hopes of the Democrats passing it when they can. Scotus is in on it too. They could easily put an end to this nonsense once and for all but instead focus on wedding cakes and other matters that affect no one.
This government is a sham. They are all in cahoots with one another. We need to realize this and stop being so damned stupid, naive, and hopeful.
It's all a game for votes. They act like they are for gun rights but never do anything in hopes of the Democrats passing it when they can. Scotus is in on it too. They could easily put an end to this nonsense once and for all but instead focus on wedding cakes and other matters that affect no one.
This government is a sham. They are all in cahoots with one another. We need to realize this and stop being so damned stupid, naive, and hopeful.
Steal2B
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The GOP did in fact pass HR 38 in the House. It failed in the Senate because Schumer stopped it. The GOP only had a simple majority in the Senate and that only works for a few types of legislative nuclear option issues. The GOP did NOT have control of the Senate with less than 60 votes. Bitch all you want but all they can do without Schumer is Budget tied resolutions, some treaty type stuff, and Nuclear Option appointments.
The only thing that would be a legitimate bitch would be McConnell did not Nuclear Option HR 38 but McCain, Flake, and a few others were afraid of the consequences of the Senate becoming a simple majority body for all legislation with Dems in charge.
edit - The last 3 times any party had the House, the President, and a filibuster proof Senate were the Demoncraps which proved to be a disaster overall for the country in terms of the military, jobs, debt, etc (the first two years of LBJ 65-66, the first two years of Jimmy Carter 77-78, and the first two years of Obama 09-10)
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livingston
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What I can see is the anti-gun folks will be passing laws that will trip the average gun owner up. As I have said before just the act of spitting on the sidewalk will be cause for one to loose their guns...
Here is an example ...
New York Legislature adds more crimes to no-gun list
"New York is once again leading the way to prevent gun violence, and with this common-sense reform, break the inextricable link between gun violence and domestic violence,” said Gov. Andrew Cuomo following the passage of S.8121 early Saturday morning. “This legislation builds on our gun laws — already the strongest in the nation — to make New York safer and stronger."
The bill adds 10 new convictions to a list of “serious offenses” against a family member or member of the household that would require the defendant to surrender all weapons and be barred from possessing more in the future. The same punishment would be required of those convicted of attempting to commit any of those crimes.
The charges include four class B misdemeanors — third-degree menacing, third-degree criminal tampering, first-degree harassment and third-degree trespassing. Six class A misdemeanors were also added — second-degree unlawful imprisonment, third-degree coercion, second-degree criminal contempt, second-degree aggravated harassment, second-degree criminal trespass and fifth-degree arson.
Previously, only third-degree assault, second-degree menacing and criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation — all class A misdemeanors — were included in the provision.
Class B misdemeanors are punishable by up to three months in jail or a year of probation, in addition to a $500 fine. Class A misdemeanors are punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.
The bill also calls for the court clerk, upon conviction for a serious offense, to inform the state, which will in turn inform the FBI for inclusion in the National Criminal Instant Background Check System. Under the 2013 NY SAFE Act, all gun transfers in the state, with few exceptions for immediate family, must be performed after a check of the system by a licensed dealer.
In addition, the bill also includes provisions that, when a pistol permit is suspended or revoked, the holder must surrender all firearms — including rifles and shotguns. The law would extend provisions on surrendering handguns for orders of protection, conviction or mental health disqualifications to include long guns like rifles and shotguns.
Under existing state law, any weapons surrendered — except those declared a nuisance — must be held for at least a year or until the owner makes arrangements to sell or transfer them.
The bill includes a provision that, once a suspension is lifted, the owner may petition for the return of all surrendered weapons.
Those with outstanding arrest warrants for felonies or serious offenses will also be barred from applying for new pistol permits or renewing.
The bill will become effective 60 days after it is enacted.
ASSEMBLYMAN JOE GIGLIO, R-Gowanda, told the Times Herald on Monday that he feels the bill duplicates federal law, and the timing of the bill put him off.
“It came in the middle of the night, and anything that comes in the middle of the night is suspect to me,” Giglio said.
The bill was pushed through on a letter of necessity by Cuomo — the same method used to move the NY SAFE Act through the Legislature quickly.
Giglio said the bill was not ready to read beforehand, and that he and his colleagues were briefed on the law.
“We all know how important it is,” to protect victims of domestic violence, Giglio said, but “I felt it was a bit of an overreach.”
He noted federal law already covers many of the provisions, while noting that class B misdemeanors “are low-level misdemeanors.”
There are alternatives on the table than the action approved Saturday.
“We have a whole task force of bills,” said Giglio, who was chairman of the Assembly Minority Task Force on Preventing Domestic Violence.
Following a year of hearings statewide, the task force wrapped up its work in January by issuing several recommendations:
• Declaring domestic violence a statewide public health crisis.
• Providing funding to cover the housing needs for those seeking shelter from their abusers.
• Create a new criminal law, “Domestic Violence in the Presence of a Child,” which would create much more severe consequences for an abuser.
• Start a state-funded training system to promote coordination between law enforcement, prosecutors and administrators with the goal of providing seamless assistance to victims and greater understanding of their personal situation.
• Designate resources to allow local agencies to provide instruction and assistance to directly support victims.
• Arrange funds to help negate the cost of living expenses victims suffer while seeking help to distance themselves from their abuser.
“There’s a lot of things we can do to protect domestic violence victims,” Giglio said. “We should be concentrating on that and not passing something in the middle of the night.”
Giglio was one of 34 members — all but one Republicans — to vote against the bill in the Democrat-controlled Assembly.
State Sen. Catharine Young, R-Olean, was one of 19 Senate Republicans to vote against the measure.
“Existing law already prohibits the possession of firearms for domestic abusers convicted of felony or serious offenses,” Young said in a statement. “The law in question redefines ‘serious’ offense far too broadly, raising the potential that many non-violent individuals charged with very minor infractions could be stripped of their Second Amendment rights. Actions as minor as entering a fenced yard or building of a family member without permission or deliberately irritating someone would be enough to deprive them of their rights.
"No one agrees more that we need to protect women from domestic abuse,” she added. “I’ve led the fight for Brittany’s Law which would require convicted domestic violence offenders to register with the state Division of Criminal Justice Services, to make sure women have the information they need to avoid dangerous individuals. I’ve consistently fought for and won funding to expand domestic violence services in our region. However, there was no evidence to indicate that the individuals targeted under this law were a danger or that taking away their Second Amendment rights would make anyone safer. That is why I voted against it.”
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Here is an example ...
New York Legislature adds more crimes to no-gun list
"New York is once again leading the way to prevent gun violence, and with this common-sense reform, break the inextricable link between gun violence and domestic violence,” said Gov. Andrew Cuomo following the passage of S.8121 early Saturday morning. “This legislation builds on our gun laws — already the strongest in the nation — to make New York safer and stronger."
The bill adds 10 new convictions to a list of “serious offenses” against a family member or member of the household that would require the defendant to surrender all weapons and be barred from possessing more in the future. The same punishment would be required of those convicted of attempting to commit any of those crimes.
The charges include four class B misdemeanors — third-degree menacing, third-degree criminal tampering, first-degree harassment and third-degree trespassing. Six class A misdemeanors were also added — second-degree unlawful imprisonment, third-degree coercion, second-degree criminal contempt, second-degree aggravated harassment, second-degree criminal trespass and fifth-degree arson.
Previously, only third-degree assault, second-degree menacing and criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation — all class A misdemeanors — were included in the provision.
Class B misdemeanors are punishable by up to three months in jail or a year of probation, in addition to a $500 fine. Class A misdemeanors are punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.
The bill also calls for the court clerk, upon conviction for a serious offense, to inform the state, which will in turn inform the FBI for inclusion in the National Criminal Instant Background Check System. Under the 2013 NY SAFE Act, all gun transfers in the state, with few exceptions for immediate family, must be performed after a check of the system by a licensed dealer.
In addition, the bill also includes provisions that, when a pistol permit is suspended or revoked, the holder must surrender all firearms — including rifles and shotguns. The law would extend provisions on surrendering handguns for orders of protection, conviction or mental health disqualifications to include long guns like rifles and shotguns.
Under existing state law, any weapons surrendered — except those declared a nuisance — must be held for at least a year or until the owner makes arrangements to sell or transfer them.
The bill includes a provision that, once a suspension is lifted, the owner may petition for the return of all surrendered weapons.
Those with outstanding arrest warrants for felonies or serious offenses will also be barred from applying for new pistol permits or renewing.
The bill will become effective 60 days after it is enacted.
ASSEMBLYMAN JOE GIGLIO, R-Gowanda, told the Times Herald on Monday that he feels the bill duplicates federal law, and the timing of the bill put him off.
“It came in the middle of the night, and anything that comes in the middle of the night is suspect to me,” Giglio said.
The bill was pushed through on a letter of necessity by Cuomo — the same method used to move the NY SAFE Act through the Legislature quickly.
Giglio said the bill was not ready to read beforehand, and that he and his colleagues were briefed on the law.
“We all know how important it is,” to protect victims of domestic violence, Giglio said, but “I felt it was a bit of an overreach.”
He noted federal law already covers many of the provisions, while noting that class B misdemeanors “are low-level misdemeanors.”
There are alternatives on the table than the action approved Saturday.
“We have a whole task force of bills,” said Giglio, who was chairman of the Assembly Minority Task Force on Preventing Domestic Violence.
Following a year of hearings statewide, the task force wrapped up its work in January by issuing several recommendations:
• Declaring domestic violence a statewide public health crisis.
• Providing funding to cover the housing needs for those seeking shelter from their abusers.
• Create a new criminal law, “Domestic Violence in the Presence of a Child,” which would create much more severe consequences for an abuser.
• Start a state-funded training system to promote coordination between law enforcement, prosecutors and administrators with the goal of providing seamless assistance to victims and greater understanding of their personal situation.
• Designate resources to allow local agencies to provide instruction and assistance to directly support victims.
• Arrange funds to help negate the cost of living expenses victims suffer while seeking help to distance themselves from their abuser.
“There’s a lot of things we can do to protect domestic violence victims,” Giglio said. “We should be concentrating on that and not passing something in the middle of the night.”
Giglio was one of 34 members — all but one Republicans — to vote against the bill in the Democrat-controlled Assembly.
State Sen. Catharine Young, R-Olean, was one of 19 Senate Republicans to vote against the measure.
“Existing law already prohibits the possession of firearms for domestic abusers convicted of felony or serious offenses,” Young said in a statement. “The law in question redefines ‘serious’ offense far too broadly, raising the potential that many non-violent individuals charged with very minor infractions could be stripped of their Second Amendment rights. Actions as minor as entering a fenced yard or building of a family member without permission or deliberately irritating someone would be enough to deprive them of their rights.
"No one agrees more that we need to protect women from domestic abuse,” she added. “I’ve led the fight for Brittany’s Law which would require convicted domestic violence offenders to register with the state Division of Criminal Justice Services, to make sure women have the information they need to avoid dangerous individuals. I’ve consistently fought for and won funding to expand domestic violence services in our region. However, there was no evidence to indicate that the individuals targeted under this law were a danger or that taking away their Second Amendment rights would make anyone safer. That is why I voted against it.”
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livingston
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third-degree trespassing
where the property consists of a right-of-way or yard of a railroad or rapid transit railroad which has been designated and conspicuously posted as a no-trespass railroad zone.
Free Consultation | New York Penal Law § 140.10: Criminal trespass in the third degree
So has anyone ever gone hunting and walked down the railroad tracks in a secluded area ... ... Were you committing 3rd degree trespass ? where the property consists of a right-of-way or yard of a railroad
According to the law
The charges include four class B misdemeanors — third-degree menacing, third-degree criminal tampering, first-degree harassment and third-degree trespassing.
Just pass enough laws where the slightest stub of the toe one will have their guns taken away. I had a LEO friend one tell me ... Let me follow you down the road for 10 minutes ... You will break some law that will justify me pulling you over... ... This will be the same with guns.. Get into an argument with the neighbor over wind chimes ... harassment
Wave ones finger at him while doing so ...aggravated harassment...Just change the wording of the law just enough to make it so...
where the property consists of a right-of-way or yard of a railroad or rapid transit railroad which has been designated and conspicuously posted as a no-trespass railroad zone.
Free Consultation | New York Penal Law § 140.10: Criminal trespass in the third degree
So has anyone ever gone hunting and walked down the railroad tracks in a secluded area ... ... Were you committing 3rd degree trespass ? where the property consists of a right-of-way or yard of a railroad
According to the law
The charges include four class B misdemeanors — third-degree menacing, third-degree criminal tampering, first-degree harassment and third-degree trespassing.
Just pass enough laws where the slightest stub of the toe one will have their guns taken away. I had a LEO friend one tell me ... Let me follow you down the road for 10 minutes ... You will break some law that will justify me pulling you over... ... This will be the same with guns.. Get into an argument with the neighbor over wind chimes ... harassment
Wave ones finger at him while doing so ...aggravated harassment...Just change the wording of the law just enough to make it so...
pjzwtl
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I hope they swing for the fences and cause the army of fudds in this state who gleefully keep pulling the lever for dems real pain. Then and only then will we have a chance of sending theses pieces of shit into retirement.
Steal2B
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HAHAHA WRONG.
You are just trolling now, or maybe just musinformed.
Retropocity House Resolution Passed in December 2017. Schumer even took credit for blocking it in the Senate.
What is likely confusing for some is the mostly now debunked Massie memo that feared a combined bill would emerge with Schumer / Feinstein amendments which would screw up NICS, strengthen the Brady Bill, ban bump stocks, but national retropocity would be removed. The House Resolution was not going to do that and you can read the bill to confirm. Massie was concerned about an attempt at bi-partisan compromise to get Retropocity through the Senate and his fears were mostly unfounded (ya never can trust career politicians), but Schumer blocked everything and even introduced a poison pill attempt when things did not go his way.
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Marine Cpl
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1. Hudson a REPUBLICAN introduced the bill with the bump stock and fix NICS.
2. Paul Ryan the REPUBLICAN Senate majority leader stopped it from coming to vote. Schumer the Minority Leader cannot do that but he took credit for it like they all do.
3. If the issue was opposition for the fix NICS bill (which was only holding states responsible for not reporting prohibited persons into the database and providing funding for small organizations that don't have the manpower to keep up the reporting efficiently) or the bump stock nonsense, it could have been struck from the bill or a new bill could have been drafted without it and passed.
4. Cornyn's Senate Reciprocity Bill which didn't have additions was also allowed to die.
5. The Nuclear Option can be used for anything. It isn't just for voting in nominations.
2. Paul Ryan the REPUBLICAN Senate majority leader stopped it from coming to vote. Schumer the Minority Leader cannot do that but he took credit for it like they all do.
3. If the issue was opposition for the fix NICS bill (which was only holding states responsible for not reporting prohibited persons into the database and providing funding for small organizations that don't have the manpower to keep up the reporting efficiently) or the bump stock nonsense, it could have been struck from the bill or a new bill could have been drafted without it and passed.
4. Cornyn's Senate Reciprocity Bill which didn't have additions was also allowed to die.
5. The Nuclear Option can be used for anything. It isn't just for voting in nominations.
Steal2B
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Bum dope. Starting with Ryan being the Senate Majority leader .... really?, your reluctance to acknowledge the Nuclear Option was limited to appointments because of future Dem retaliation (including easily undoing retropocity post trump), there was also a clean retropocity which Schumer demanded to be fillabustered, Hudson added amendments that some dems in the Senate claimed they would cross the aisle to approve but Schumer and Feinstein threatened all their PAC reelection financing. Really. Schummer did not block it ... get serious.
Dude we get it you suck at the tit if the GOP because they are perfect and Reagan is probably like jesus or something.
Ah yes the dems are what got us in the shit show of anti 2a think we have, not Reagan or bush or bush or the NRA or well the list goes on
Ah yes the dems are what got us in the shit show of anti 2a think we have, not Reagan or bush or bush or the NRA or well the list goes on
As long as we all know Republicans are pro gun
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Bum dope? Fuck you. When did I turn this into name calling?
Keep believing in the red tape and BS that they feed you.
Oh noooo Democrats wont vote on it,
So the fuck what. Bring it to a vote anyways.
2 options,
1) DOA. No vote, doesnt get passed..... GOP fuck bois get to claim it's the Democrats fault and pretend their party actually cares about the 2A
2) bring it to a vote it fails, draft up something different, and now we see what Republicans with A+ NRA ratings actually vote pro 2A
So the fuck what. Bring it to a vote anyways.
2 options,
1) DOA. No vote, doesnt get passed..... GOP fuck bois get to claim it's the Democrats fault and pretend their party actually cares about the 2A
2) bring it to a vote it fails, draft up something different, and now we see what Republicans with A+ NRA ratings actually vote pro 2A
Steal2B
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Spoken like a true Schummer fanboy or a Sharpe cheerleader. The reality is that the body of voters in screwed up States like New York (that includes us) putting in the likes of Gillibrand, Schummer et al in the Senate are more to blame for this mess than Paul Ryan. Sitting on a forum bitching, maybe wasting a vote now and then in protest, and not getting involved is a FUDD move. The last Congress did not create the infringement challenges coming up, lazy ass gun owners and Fudds got outplayed by a rag tag bunch of SJWs, hippies, anti gun moms, and progressive socialists wiiling to do whatever it took.
Hahahah you sound butt hurt that hour Reagan and NRA took away more gun rights than Cuomo has.
I see you side stepped my option 2 because well I get it your shit party is a tough pill to swallow.
Weird didnt know posting on a forum means I cant do other things as well. Shit do I turn myself in to some authority or how do I go about fixing the fact that i am doing more than 1 thing..
Do I have to do 10 hail reagans and donate a tithe to the NRA now?
Do I have to do 10 hail reagans and donate a tithe to the NRA now?
Steal2B
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Nope you bored me. It was not worth the effort to go nuts responding.
Ah yes good copout
Steal2B
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Never called you a name. You likely typed before your brain worked. RYAN Senate majority leader ... come on ... you know better.
Steal2B
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Got to get past the Fillabuster to vote. The 60 votes is to stop the Fillabuster. When they Fillabuster they do not have to go on record as voting for or against.
Shummer blocking PAC campaign financing was for both Fillabuster and if it came to the floor.
Hey now come on you are bored remember, now you are just embarrassing yourself.
And ok, so what let them fucking filibuster
Shit especially with all the other crap they tacked on to H.R 38, then for sure 100% let them filibuster fix NICS and ban on bump stocks
Dont forget the NRA and most Republicans do not want national reciprocity.
Steal2B
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Can you prove that?
I mean prove it ... most Republicans .... please show us. Show us the NRA spending, link to the ads, and provide copies letter campaigns against national retropocity too while you are at it.
We anxiously wait for the facts that support your informed opinion.
Nope I am good, that's just how I personally feel about the situation.
Wow so wait are you like bored of being bored and therefore responding to someone that has bored you so much to not respond but also so bored that you have to respond?
And again. The NRA for decades has proven to be anti 2A, when the 2A is safe they have no money, they backdoor and overtly attack gun rights to line their own pockets