NYPD warns cops about New Jersey firearms law

[eris]

Just cuz New York City cops had problems it doesn't mean anything. Nobody thinks cops shouldn't be able to carry anything. They should be able to bear anything that the citizens can bear which is supposed to be everything.

This. I don't have a problem with cops having good gear. What I have a problem with is the idea that cops should have more rights than others.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Next you will say I shouldn’t be able to carry in NYC . Retired cops who have permits from outside the city can carry in the city.

Not next. I've been saying they shouldn't all along. Why can retired cops carry but we can't?

Definition of retired

1: SECLUDEDa retired village

2: withdrawn from one's position or occupation : having concluded one's working or professional career

3: received by or due to one in retirement

 

[Robin]

I got more time on an M16 than probably 99% of retired cops, what makes them so special(?). Nothing, it's a kind of hush money type crap granted to them by the same scum that called them pigs thirty forty years ago but helps keep the union in their pocket. Nothing corrupt there, move along, the super citizenry needs their space.
Robin

 

[@thewheels]

No NJ Resident Has Surrendered 'High Capacity' Mags to State Police

LOL:

"On December 15, 2018, former NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerik blasted the magazine ban because it also applies to off-duty police officers, too. In other words, off-duty officers cannot legally use magazines holding more than 10 rounds while off the clock.


Kerik said, “NJ Governor @GovMurphy is endangering the life of every off duty NJ cop! Gang bangers, drug thugs and really bad guys don’t give a damn about magazine capacity… So he takes the good guy’s ammunition, and the bad guys are loaded for bear!”

FU Kerik

 

[Robin]

"Kerik said, “NJ Governor @GovMurphy is endangering the life of every off duty NJ cop! Gang bangers, drug thugs and really bad guys don’t give a damn about magazine capacity… So he takes the good guy’s ammunition, and the bad guys are loaded for bear!”"


now where have I heard that little snippet before. Like an effing million times before. I'd like to hear his response to that did bit when discussing all the honest NYC residents denied permits.
Robin

 

[Truebeliever]

Not next. I've been saying they shouldn't all along. Why can retired cops carry but we can't?

Definition of retired

1: SECLUDEDa retired village

2: withdrawn from one's position or occupation : having concluded one's working or professional career

3: received by or due to one in retirement

A couple of reasons for retired guys to carry. We have been targeted by people we have previously arrested. And often that’s knowing we might be armed.

It happens more often than what is reported in the media.

Many hate cops and retired status doesn’t change that. Hate enough to attack us..

And again,it is much more often than is reported.

Even most liberals admit it meets the “need or good cause” standard . A standard I disagree with.

It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t get to carry too. Or have a good need or cause.

Nor to I agree with that standard. I believe in private gun ownership (without permits, just the same FFL check we all get-) and the “shall issue” for CCW. Private sales are good in my belief system too. But my beliefs don’t carry much weight with politicans, or most of you. Which is fine. But understand that I am arguing what is recognized by most courts and lawmakers.

 

[Truebeliever]

I got more time on an M16 than probably 99% of retired cops, what makes them so special(?). Nothing, it's a kind of hush money type crap granted to them by the same scum that called them pigs thirty forty years ago but helps keep the union in their pocket. Nothing corrupt there, move along, the super citizenry needs their space.
Robin

It’s not about shooting ability that makes a cop or retired cop “more suitable “in the public mind to carry a gun.
You definitely have more M16 time than most cops. ( 99% is too high because a large number of cops are prior military and current reservists). Most here could out shoot most cops. Just just a fact.

The reason they “trust” cops and retired cops more in carrying guns is that they already did for those twenty years. They surrendered that responsibility of “protecting them”. They are used to seeing or knowing cops have guns. A security guard seems to get the same pass from the public for the very same reason.

Also, retired cops are seen as having proven temperament . Retired cops were monitored for twenty years with that gun and could not have retired in good standing without it.The red flag laws that everyone is worried about is what cops lived under for those years of employment. The rubber gun squad threat was always there.

The years of being assaulted and heated situations without unlawful use of that gun is also why the perception of its okay for a retiredcop to have it is in the mind of the general non gun public .

Unlike soldiers , the non gun public doesn’t see a non retired veteran the same way. One, They have a few issues with armed soldiers in their presence. Heck, some had a an issue of “militarization “ of police , imagine the public’s idea of armed military on regular streets.Two, They also have an image of the burnt out combat veteran with PTSD as a ticking time bomb. They see some cops like that too but they don’t see the “beat cop” or detective that way.

Three,They also don’t see the solider carrying that weapon everyday in everyday situations. It’s not like how Iserael used to be with soldiers carrying their weapon home on leave. Also soldiers rarely meet their adversary after they leave the service . Cops often do.

This why can cops have it and not us is an argument that doesn’t work outside the gun community. Or calls to take away carry ability from cops and retired cops doesn’t help the gun community. The liberal belief is if we can’t trust people we screen with guns then they say no one should have it.

Do you know how retired cops in NYS got to keep their standard magazine capacity for their service weapon or why Bernie Kerik is pointing out the danger of making off duty cops use 10 round magazines instead of their 15?

It’s a training issue. You fight as you train . The police unions pointed out that for twenty years cops were trained with standard capacity. In a gun fight they would revert to the training the government gave them and expect those extra rounds. It could get them killed. Muscle memory doesn’t go away that fast. They guilted them into giving that exception to that specific weapon the government trained them on.

That is the reason the SAFE exception was made.

 

[Robin]

True, well said as always, but reasons and rationalizations do not even the scales of justice any more than the butchers thumb at the deli, and justice is the hallmark of Liberty.
Robin

 

[Trauma47645]

good.. good...

Filthy revenuers going after filthy revenuers..

Let them eat their own

 

[Pale Rider]

Like True Believer, I also believe in private gun ownership without the need for a permit. I also believe in constitutional carry, and 30 (or 40, or 100) round magazines for all. Having said that, here is something else you might find interesting.

U.S. Congressman Pushing Change To Block States From Banning Cops Carrying Guns - Blue Lives Matter

 

[Truebeliever]

Like True Believer, I also believe in private gun ownership without the need for a permit. I also believe in constitutional carry, and 30 (or 40, or 100) round magazines for all. Having said that, here is something else you might find interesting.

U.S. Congressman Pushing Change To Block States From Banning Cops Carrying Guns - Blue Lives Matter

Thank you for the update. I hope it passes.

To the haters, LEOSA helps the argument for National CCW . It’s success can be argued for more CCW freedoms.

Heck, we can try for more CCW freedoms with BS they do.

Fight for security guards to get more CCW ability such as school carry . It might be easier than we think because we can remind these politicians that their security might be in violation of the school ban. They have to make multiple school visits and don’t want to get caught in a political trap.

Now if security guards get the exception, we all get security guard licenses. They are easier to get than the CCW permits.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Thank you for the update. I hope it passes.

To the haters, LEOSA helps the argument for National CCW . It’s success can be argued for more CCW freedoms.

Heck, we can try for more CCW freedoms with BS they do.

Fight for security guards to get more CCW ability such as school carry . It might be easier than we think because we can remind these politicians that their security might be in violation of the school ban. They have to make multiple school visits and don’t want to get caught in a political trap.

Now if security guards get the exception, we all get security guard licenses. They are easier to get than the CCW permits.

I don't think anybody hates leosa. I think people hate that we can't have it either.

 

[Robin]

No hater her, I just think the congressmans' efforts are misplaced. He should be working toward removing the unconstitutional barriers that prevent all honest citizens from exercising their God given right equally, not a special interest group. This does nothing but further the schism between two groups that should have common cause.
Robin

 

[Pale Rider]

No hater her, I just think the congressmans' efforts are misplaced. He should be working toward removing the unconstitutional barriers that prevent all honest citizens from exercising their God given right equally, not a special interest group. This does nothing but further the schism between two groups that should have common cause.
Robin

Does the difference in rights between NYC residents and other NY residents "further the schism" between those two groups?

 

[Robin]

Yep.
Robin

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Does the difference in rights between NYC residents and other NY residents "further the schism" between those two groups?

Yes. The people in NYC feel about upstaters how upstaters feel about LEO. NYCer's get screwed both ways.