Questions on building an AR Pistol

[1075tech]

I'm considering building an AR pistol. For those of you who have built your own, rather than buy one complete, what was the process to get it added to your permit? My permit is in Orange County if it makes any difference.



I have all winter for this project....

 

[1075tech]

Still seeking info

 

[Podmonkey]

I wish I could help. It seems to me that it wouldn't be any different than any other pistol. Hopefully some that has first hand knowledge will reply.

 

[gqllc007]

When I did it it had to be built at the gun shop they acquired it on their books and then it stayed there until I got it added to my permit. They did a 4473 as a pistol and then I took the receipt to the county clerks and then it was added to my permit...I then went back to the shop and picked it up. You can not build it as a pistol prior to possession

 

[dsdmmat]

The NYSP pistol office told the Jefferson county permit office to put it on the license as a receiver only. Then you can build it as a compliant pistol and add the caliber to it when it is built.

Just bring the receipt for the upper or barrel to the office when it is built like you would a T/C encore or contender.

 

[Jem45472]

Every county is different, and some won't even allow it. I believe I remember somebody from here doing one in orange, but can't remember the details. Did two of mine in erie county and only needed a receipt like any other pistol.

 

[1075tech]

Well, I stopped in at my preferred FFL today on way home from work to have some conversation about this. His take on this? Buy a stripped lower and add it to my permit BEFORE building it as a pistol.

He also said that some people are getting jammed up with braces and NYSP. Apparently, NYSP doesn't care what the ATF says about braces and they consider them stocks, therefore an SBR.

He also said that an FFL dealer in Long Island lost his business and has paid $100's of thousands in fines for selling AR's with the prince 50 mag lock that the buyer took the allen screw out of.

He said best bet would be to just go with a buffer tube and no brace and take my chances on whatever way I want to "fix" the mag.

Thoughts?

 

[Twogunwilly]

NYSP do not over rule the ATF, mine will have a brace when I get around to building one.

 

[Blimey]

Well, I stopped in at my preferred FFL today on way home from work to have some conversation about this. His take on this? Buy a stripped lower and add it to my permit BEFORE building it as a pistol.

He also said that some people are getting jammed up with braces and NYSP. Apparently, NYSP doesn't care what the ATF says about braces and they consider them stocks, therefore an SBR.

He also said that an FFL dealer in Long Island lost his business and has paid $100's of thousands in fines for selling AR's with the prince 50 mag lock that the buyer took the allen screw out of.

He said best bet would be to just go with a buffer tube and no brace and take my chances on whatever way I want to "fix" the mag.

Thoughts?

I do have some thoughts.

1) I personally believe these are SBRs. I know the ATF has said they aren't, though. But...come on. And yes, I would like one of course.

2) His comments about NYSP vs ATF vs braces sounds like hearsay

3) His comments about the business getting screwed over selling a gun with a prince lock is absolutely hearsay or, at the very least, missing some key, pertinent details. How do I know? I've not heard about it until now, and it would be major news--akin to saying that fixed mag ARs are AWs. Moreover, I know of three local stores that sell fixed mag ARs and if the state was going after these they would stop immediately. One of those stores actually has an AR pistol for sale, too.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

I do have some thoughts.

1) I personally believe these are SBRs. I know the ATF has said they aren't, though. But...come on. And yes, I would like one of course.

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What you belive does not matter one bit. The law says they are not a stock.

The libs belive that we should not have guns.....what do you think about that?

Same Basic premise.

 

[Uzi]

I do have some thoughts.

1) I personally believe these are SBRs. I know the ATF has said they aren't, though. But...come on. And yes, I would like one of course.

2) His comments about NYSP vs ATF vs braces sounds like hearsay

3) His comments about the business getting screwed over selling a gun with a prince lock is absolutely hearsay or, at the very least, missing some key, pertinent details. How do I know? I've not heard about it until now, and it would be major news--akin to saying that fixed mag ARs are AWs. Moreover, I know of three local stores that sell fixed mag ARs and if the state was going after these they would stop immediately. One of those stores actually has an AR pistol for sale, too.

They're scary looking, aren't they? Better play it safe and get a revolver instead.

 

[BDinPutnam]

@Blimey, you saved me a shit-ton of typing.

Everything my Tommy gun totin, heavyset foreign friend above said X2.

 

[Blimey]

What yoy belive does jot matter one bit. The law says they are not a stock.

The libs brlive that we should not have guns.....what do you think about that?

Same Basic premise.

there is fact and there is law and they are not always the same.Many here consider a 30 round mag not high but standard capacity. The law disagrees. Are you wrong?

In any case, I expect this loophole to be closed at some point rather like bump stocks which were not machine guns now are. We all know people are using these braces as stocks (lots on YouTube doing it).

It’s a loophole that works for now. Who knows if it will forever.

I’m not judging using one. I would like to have one. That gun (can’t remember the name) that was announced recently that gets around SBR classification by having non-rifled grooves and lands is in the same vein.

 

[BMF JK]

there is fact and there is law and they are not always the same.Many here consider a 30 round mag not high but standard capacity. The law disagrees. Are you wrong?

In any case, I expect this loophole to be closed at some point rather like bump stocks which were not machine guns now are. We all know people are using these braces as stocks (lots on YouTube doing it).

It’s a loophole that works for now. Who knows if it will forever.

I’m not judging using one. I would like to have one. That gun (can’t remember the name) that was announced recently that gets around SBR classification by having non-rifled grooves and lands is in the same vein.

Loophole ? You mean effectively complying to an arbitrary law or regulation is a loophole !? That way of thinking is exactly what would bring an end to such “ loophole” .
Loophole , I can’t stand that term !

 

[Edwardteach72]

I do have some thoughts.

1) I personally believe these are SBRs. I know the ATF has said they aren't, though. But...come on. And yes, I would like one of course.

2) His comments about NYSP vs ATF vs braces sounds like hearsay

3) His comments about the business getting screwed over selling a gun with a prince lock is absolutely hearsay or, at the very least, missing some key, pertinent details. How do I know? I've not heard about it until now, and it would be major news--akin to saying that fixed mag ARs are AWs. Moreover, I know of three local stores that sell fixed mag ARs and if the state was going after these they would stop immediately. One of those stores actually has an AR pistol for sale, too.

there is fact and there is law and they are not always the same.Many here consider a 30 round mag not high but standard capacity. The law disagrees. Are you wrong?

In any case, I expect this loophole to be closed at some point rather like bump stocks which were not machine guns now are. We all know people are using these braces as stocks (lots on YouTube doing it).

It’s a loophole that works for now. Who knows if it will forever.

I’m not judging using one. I would like to have one. That gun (can’t remember the name) that was announced recently that gets around SBR classification by having non-rifled grooves and lands is in the same vein.

I bet you creamed your pants when the NRA, Trump and the ATF changed the law to force bump stocks to be reclassified as machine guns and secretly (well kind overtly) cant wait until they classify an ARM BRACES as a stock...

 

[Edwardteach72]

We all know people are using these braces as stocks (lots on YouTube doing it).

It’s a loophole that works for now. Who knows if it will forever.

I’m not judging using one. I would like to have one.

You mean people are using them in compliance of the law. Even the ATF stated that there is nothing illegal about using the arm brace to brace against the shoulder and cheek, this does not change the original intent and design.

Hahaha you want one then go fucking buy one, but then again you would be breaking the law right because according to you that would make it an sbr so honestly I hope you never own one

 

[1075tech]

Gander outdoor in Kingston had Anderson stripped lowers for $51. Sounds like a good place to start. Barrel will be here Monday.

As a pistol, I could use it to hunt with in those shotgun only counties. 250 yard pistol for hunting.

 

[togmaster]

Well, I stopped in at my preferred FFL today on way home from work to have some conversation about this. His take on this? Buy a stripped lower and add it to my permit BEFORE building it as a pistol.

He also said that some people are getting jammed up with braces and NYSP. Apparently, NYSP doesn't care what the ATF says about braces and they consider them stocks, therefore an SBR.

He also said that an FFL dealer in Long Island lost his business and has paid $100's of thousands in fines for selling AR's with the prince 50 mag lock that the buyer took the allen screw out of.

He said best bet would be to just go with a buffer tube and no brace and take my chances on whatever way I want to "fix" the mag.

Thoughts?

Is your FFL associated with Dark Storm?

 

[1075tech]

I learned long ago to not believe, as fact, what anyone says until I research it myself. I appreciate his opinion. But for now, until proven otherwise , it is just that, his opinion. As many are expressed here.

 

[BMF JK]

I learned long ago to not believe, as fact, what anyone says until I research it myself. I appreciate his opinion. But for now, until proven otherwise , it is just that, his opinion. As many are expressed here.

Do your research, it’s ok to ask questions but always confirm the info you receive.
I’ve had instances with guys behind the counter at gun shops telling me something was legal that actually wasn’t.

 

[Blimey]

You mean people are using them in compliance of the law. Even the ATF stated that there is nothing illegal about using the arm brace to brace against the shoulder and cheek, this does not change the original intent and design.

Hahaha you want one then go fucking buy one, but then again you would be breaking the law right because according to you that would make it an sbr so honestly I hope you never own one

By God you are getting worked up over this. Calm down and re-read what I wrote. You're being triggered. Not my intent, and not a reasonable response to what I wrote, either.

Obviously it is not breaking the law right now. ATF has ruled on that. At this time. Laws & interpretation change all the time:

- bump stocks weren't, now are machine guns
- 50 cal AR uppers weren't, now are (?) guns themselves
- 30 round mags were standard, now are not standard (they are "high" capacity).

This seems to me something that would be on the short list for "reinterpretation". That's all I've said in this thread re ar pistols.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I do have some thoughts.

1) I personally believe these are SBRs. I know the ATF has said they aren't, though. But...come on. And yes, I would like one of course.

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Buy the lower from the ffl (transfer as other), put it on your amendment app, OC wants the caliber listed. Get green card. Pick up lower. Fix mag on lower....then build away.

 

[1075tech]

If it's transferred as "other", then I can take possession of it immediately, yes? Then put it on permit, THEN I can build it.

 

[Jem45472]

If it's transferred as "other", then I can take possession of it immediately, yes? Then put it on permit, THEN I can build it.

Yes. Lock mag, put on permit, build.