uuum? Can Muslims be good American's....

[Darth]

Anytime you want to debate if Islam or Christianity advocates violence let me
Know. Who said “love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you”? Wonder who thst was vs. a war lord who ordered his followers to kill.

There is no need to debate it. The Bible and Quran are some of the most horrific, immoral, inaccurate books to ever have been written by man.

There is no need to debate what is written down clearly for the world to see. The only reason one would is to try and be an apologist for one or the other.

 

[Darth]

It's not because of books. Both books suck. It's because of their actions. You keep going back to the books. Who the fuck cares about the books. It's the actions that matter from those that read those f****** books.

Does that have to be force-fed through a funnel down your gullet to understand?

This thread is literally about "because of their doctrine, no they can not."

So yes, you do need to go back to said doctrines.

 

[Darth]

Good point. Can Americans be good Americans? I know we despise a whole bunch in the DC area.

One must first ask the question "What is a good American?"

That's a whole other can of worms.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This thread is literally about "because of their doctrine, no they can not."

So yes, you do need to go back to said doctrines.

And based on that doctrine and the actions of those that read those stupid doctrines from both sides, what group can be good Americans and assimilate into the American way of life based on how those that came here behave?

 

[Darth]

And based on that doctrine and the actions of those that read those stupid doctrines from both sides, what group can be good Americans and assimilate into the American way of life based on how those that came here behave?

Quite clearly both?

 

[Robin]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Quite clearly both?

How so? Is France for example murdering non-believers of Christianity in large numbers like let's say Yemen for example for non-believers of Islam? If you get 10,000 refugees from France and 10,000 refugees from an Islamic country to come here who will assimilate better?

Come on dude. You are being stupid and you know it. Just be a man and admit that it's not the same.

 

[Blimey]

Strictly speaking, with close adherence to the Koran, no. It repeatedly talks about dominance over non believers. Islam is largely a political system as much as a religion. Most muslims do not really adhere to the koran all that closely, but yes I fully believe that strict adherence to it is incompatible with conventional american values/constitution. countries with large percentages of devout muslims are nothing at all like our country. They have very regressive social views, abhor freedom of speech, etc.

 

[Darth]

How so? Is France for example murdering non-believers of Christianity in large numbers like let's say Yemen for example for non-believers of Islam? If you get 10,000 refugees from France and 10000 refugees from an Islamic country to come here who will assimilate better?

Come on dude. You are being stupid and you know it. Just be a man and admit that it's not the same.

Here is the easiest way to look at it:

1/4 of the world is Islamic, about 1/3 is Christian. That's over half the world population. If they couldn't behave themselves for the most part, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Jmac00]

I would suggest that Islam is NOT a religion.

It is a Political/Military doctrine. One that is not compatible with most government or other religions. As evidenced in Europe, France, Germany, Sweden and England are all falling to the Muslim invasion. Make no mistake, Islam is spreading throughout Europe.

France has MANY, "no go" zones, where not even the french military will go. Sweden has the highest Rape rate in Europe, 90% of all rapes are committed by Muslims. Very few are ever convicted.

Look at England, London has been turned into a shithole.

I have no doubt there are some very nice Muslims living in America, I simply don't trust any of them

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here is the easiest way to look at it:

1/4 of the world is Islamic, about 1/3 is Christian. That's over half the world population. If they couldn't behave themselves for the most part, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That would be correct if the 1/3 of the Christian world is murdering non-believers for being non-believers.

Your an idiot.

 

[Blimey]

Really?

So can I have sex before marriage or with multiple women? And film it? Oh my, that's 2 broken law I've done this year.

All Christians do is the EXACT same thing as Muslims. Pick and choose the "love thy neighbor" stuff, and conveniently ignore that both religions call for killing nonbelievers in their doctrine.

Whoops.

You high? Muslims the world over on like a daily basis are killing non believers. What you are failing to recognize is that literally millions of muslims do NOT ignore that their text calls for the killing of people. This is beyond dispute, and even westernized muslims have answered polls (I know there is one by Pew) about their views and IIRC a substantial number of muslims even in the UK believe that heathens should be killed, and many above that support violence on a larger basis in support of their views.

Why the fuck do you think that muslims make up less than 1% of the population in the US but make up way, way, way, way, more than 1% of proponents of terror attacks? When was the last time Amish shot up a bunch of people or buddhist monks were caught in a bomb making plot?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here is the easiest way to look at it:

1/4 of the world is Islamic, about 1/3 is Christian. That's over half the world population. If they couldn't behave themselves for the most part, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Because of oceans and borders


We aren't all comingled together.

If you make a brand new expiremental country, and populate it with 25% each Muslims, Jews, Buddhist and Christian the conflict and infighting would be viscious. The 25% Islam population would disproportionately seek to control everything and control others through force, intimidation, coercion and violence.

 

[Darth]

That would be correct if the 1/3 of the Christian world is murdering non-believers for being non-believers.

Your an idiot.

*You're.

And, wouldn't that also mean that 25% of the world is murdering non believers?

Where is that happening? The handful of terror attacks we hear about?

 

[Blimey]

BTW, a lot of muslims believe being devout is incompatible with living in a modern society.
Appendix A: U.S. Muslims — Views on Religion and Society in a Global Context

Also 7% of US muslims say bombings and other violence against civilian targets are sometimes justified to defend islam.

Read that again if it doesn't give you pause. It should. 7% of US muslims support killing of people to defend islam.

 

[Darth]

You high? Muslims the world over on like a daily basis are killing non believers. What you are failing to recognize is that literally millions of muslims do NOT ignore that their text calls for the killing of people. This is beyond dispute, and even westernized muslims have answered polls (I know there is one by Pew) about their views and IIRC a substantial number of muslims even in the UK believe that heathens should be killed, and many above that support violence on a larger basis in support of their views.

Why the fuck do you think that muslims make up less than 1% of the population in the US but make up way, way, way, way, more than 1% of proponents of terror attacks? When was the last time Amish shot up a bunch of people or buddhist monks were caught in a bomb making plot?

So polls are the answer?

On this forum?

Well, I have bad news for you about the amount of people that support gun control...

 

[Marine Cpl]

*You're.

And, wouldn't that also mean that 25% of the world is murdering non believers?

Where is that happening? The handful of terror attacks we hear about?

Look up what happens in Muslim countries for that answer.

 

[Darth]

Look up what happens in Muslim countries for that answer.

Why? Wasn't this thread about good Americans?

KInd of been going in and out of that when convenient.

 

[Justincase]

Well, that's a logical perspective.
Robin

Fixed it for you.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Muslim; maybe, Islamist; never. They're banned here by the Constitution for many very good reasons one of which is they will never assimilate. I'll never trust/befriend/help any of them unless they want a drink while drowning.

 

[FrankenCub]

That's the difference @Darth. Your statements on the bad things written in the Bible compared to the bad things written in the Koran is correct. But that's not what the question is saying nor is it a valid argument.

There's another common misconception that everyone fails to realize, or just plain ignore. They assume the texts in the Quaran are in a timeline based order, they are not. Islam follows the teachings of Muhammad as the final word of their God, and Muhammad's words are spread all over the Quaran. Islamic scholars will tell you this. You need to jump around and follow Muhammad's writings to see exactly what they believe. This is where all the evil shit is, very very few Muslims do not follow Muhammad.
As for Christianity, the religion itself, has become more forgiving of pretty much everything over time, as evident in the Bible.
I don't follow any religion, which Islam isn't anyway, they are only useful to control the people. I guess if I had to choose which group I would feel more comfortable spending time with it would be Buddhists, Hindus, or Sikhi. They are more concerned with improving self life and don't claim their "religion" is the end all/know all of faith.

 

[Robin]

Fixed it for you.

So you believe in science, like all the science that has been weaponized by the lefties? Oh, just real science, like Newton, which was disproved by Einstein, who will be disproved in the not too distant future, but its okay to believe in things that are transitory, because, science.
Robin

 

[Darth]

So you believe in science, like all the science that has been weaponized by the lefties? Oh, just real science, like Newton, which was disproved by Einstein, who will be disproved in the not too distant future, but its okay to believe in things that are transitory, because, science.
Robin

No such thing as "believing in" science. You either accept it or not.

And one of it's greatest traits is that it does change with new information, instead of never changing in spite of it.

Newton was not, in any way "disproved" by Einsteen.

Common tactic. The apologists will claim "see, science changes! Who knows what's correct!?" Nope, doesn't work that way.

 

[ECU Pirates]

That would be correct if the 1/3 of the Christian world is murdering non-believers for being non-believers.

Your an idiot.

-you’re

 

[ECU Pirates]

So polls are the answer?

On this forum?

Well, I have bad news for you about the amount of people that support gun control...

The king of apples to oranges stikes again! What a tyrant!

 

[Darth]

The king of apples to oranges stikes again! What a tyrant!

"Polls are useless" != to apples and oranges.

#fail

 

[Marine Cpl]

Why? Wasn't this thread about good Americans?

KInd of been going in and out of that when convenient.

Isn't that where those people come from? Can they come here with their ideology and respect and assimilate into American society?

 

[Robin]

No such thing as "believing in" science. You either accept it or not.

And one of it's greatest traits is that it does change with new information, instead of never changing in spite of it.

Newton was not, in any way "disproved" by Einsteen.

Common tactic. The apologists will claim "see, science changes! Who knows what's correct!?" Nope, doesn't work that way.

Yep, yeah it does.
Robin

 

[ECU Pirates]

"Polls are useless" != to apples and oranges.

#fail

Polls thst are unrelated are... not related.

 

[Robin]

Verb
Synonyms believe, think, consider, conceive, trust, accept, anticipate, credit, evaluate, expect, judge, pass judgment