Sig P320 in the news again..

[ECU Pirates]

If this was any other no name holster, I'd jump on that theory kinda.

But the gun was IN the holster like already holstered sitting there on the hip. The gun was bumped (cant remember what the word the reporter used in the article, cause I also read it to verify what holster was used)

What’s the most common holster used by law enforcement? That one?

 

[Edwardteach72]

What’s the most common holster used by law enforcement? That one?

Dont know don't have the stats

And I would assume no due to cost

 

[ECU Pirates]

And the glock and cops thing was from when agencies were switching from revolvers/guns with manual thumb safeties to glocks. It wasnt a recall issue it was actual negligence and lack of training that salty officers tried to blame on these new fangled plastic toy guns

Oh it still goes on quite often. Much more so than gets reported. I know of an idiot that had a nd with the ny2 trigger in Broome County. Also the NYPD cop that shot a guy in a stair case. It’s negligence almost all the time with any gun. Striker fired have a smaller margin of error. Throw in some stupidity and poor handling and they magically just shoot themselves.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Oh it still goes on quite often. Much more so than gets reported. I know of an idiot that had a nd with the ny2 trigger in Broome County. Also the NYPD cop that shot a guy in a stair case. It’s negligence almost all the time with any gun. Striker fired have a smaller margin of error. Throw in some stupidity and poor handling and they magically just shoot themselves.

Ewww broom county is using NY2 triggers

 

[ECU Pirates]

Ewww broom county is using NY2 triggers

In Broome County. Might be a state worker might not be...

 

[Defilade]

Y

Oh it still goes on quite often. Much more so than gets reported. I know of an idiot that had a nd with the ny2 trigger in Broome County. Also the NYPD cop that shot a guy in a stair case. It’s negligence almost all the time with any gun. Striker fired have a smaller margin of error. Throw in some stupidity and poor handling and they magically just shoot themselves.

Exactly. So dumbass does a ND and doesn't want to be labeled a dumbass and states it just went off.....poof! Lol

 

[Marine Cpl]

He says it happened while in the holster. We don't know if he was finger-fucking it while in the holster. But I will take his word on it. These 320's have gone off with them getting beat with hammers on YouTube.

 

[ECU Pirates]

He says it happened while in the holster. We don't know if he was finger-fucking it while in the holster. But I will take his word on it. These 320's have gone off with them getting beat with hammers on YouTube.

She. So there’s that.....

 

[Defilade]

He says it happened while in the holster. We don't know if he was finger-fucking it while in the holster. But I will take his word on it. These 320's have gone off with them getting beat with hammers on YouTube.

Which I could not replicate.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Which I could not replicate.

How hard did you hit it?

 

[Acer-m14]

good thing he didnt drop it .. would have went full auto ..

 

[NYGuns]

good thing he didnt drop it .. would have went full auto ..

Don't be ridiculous, there are laws against that in NY and I'm sure the gun respects them

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

good thing he didnt drop it .. would have went full auto ..

It worked in true lies

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I'm sitting here wondering. What's more likely? The gun went off while holstered or it went off while he was holstering it? What reason would he have for holstering the gun in the middle of the cafeteria? Did he point it at the lunch lady when she tried to give him meatloaf instead of pudding? Come on guys.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I'm sitting here wondering. What's more likely? The gun went off while holstered or it went off while he was holstering it? What reason would he have for holstering the gun in the middle of the cafeteria? Did he point it at the lunch lady when she tried to give him meatloaf instead of pudding? Come on guys.

I really want to like the 320 but just can't commit to it.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I really want to like the 320 but just can't commit to it.

The 320 compact reminds me of the ruger p95DC. But the ruger was a tank, extremely reliable and most importantly didn't fire by itself.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

The 320 compact reminds me of the ruger p95DC. But the ruger was a tank, extremely reliable and most importantly didn't fire by itself.

I've already decided that if I go the chassis route I'll go with the APX line instead

 

[BR3ND0]

Glad I just bought one yesterday

Last Sig I will ever buy....Holster or not, none of my Glocks have ever had to be recalled.

Ouch. That one stings a lil. But you did get it for a great deal. Night sites. FDE and gen 2 features. But Im only ball busting. Its all good

I can honestly tell all of you in this thread right now, unless that gun was reholstered improperly. Im calling shenanigans. As I once states before. I owned at Least 12 of these. Im now down to 10
I sold my 40 cal compact. And now a 9 mm compact. All but 1 of my Sig P320’s are the non-upgraded triggers. I love the old style trigger. But im also not a dumbass. I dont drop my weapon. Train well. Train smart. All that aside

I have a full size 9mm and a Compact 45 P320 that i do treat as tool. My training weapon. When i saw the drop test for it to land on the reverse slant angle upward off the beavertail. I was shocked. But its a rare occurrence, but can happen. I did start dropping my two pistols. Hell i even started throwing them with blanks to see if they popped. I will invite anyone here to do it at my club. Overhand like a hatchet. Underhand like softball etc. please. Get one of my pistols to fire. Ive done it. Got it to land once with a pop out of over 60 tries. So i invite people here. Come down to my shooting club. Fire some P320s. You may love it. Then i’ll let you throw em. Haha. Im that confident in the rare discharge occurrence. Putnam Fish and game association. Range open all week .

Yes i saw the blow hammer tests on back of slide. And omaha outdoors videos. It can happen. But Sig gives you the voluntary upgrade. Free shipping both ways. And all work. Free of charge.

Am i a Sig Snob. A Fan Boy. . Guilty as charged.

I just figure before the Edward ( yes you Ed) and the glock boys came out. I had a chance to defend a platform that i feel will change the landscape for pistols. Make the other brands work harder to please

Ya see for thirty years now. You can get the same. Reliable. Trusted. Rugged. Glock block 2 x 4 grip gun in multiple calibers. Does it do the job. Indeed.
Does it run. Indeed
Protect the masses. Indeed
Won contracts. Indeed
Have the ever thought outside the box. New pistol styles. Nah

Sig created a fully modular gun. Change caliber on the fly (albeit with a kit) from full to sub compact. Or to diff caliber

Also their polymer, striker gun was the first of its kind to have a fully metal trigger. No dingus in middle. Nor a hinge. Real metal. Real smooth too. And to think. The same trigger you perfected for the range and worked on to get them small groups. You can pull right out. Put in a compact or sub chassis. Same trigger. Same pull. Awesome for muscle memory.

After years of Steel P-series. They wanted to try new stuff. Make a new pistol.

Then they make a P365. Designed around a magazine. Again. Flat faced smooth metal trigger Its basically a Glock 43 with the 26 capacity.

Crazy right

What does glock do

Years ago.

Glock 42 380. Ehhhh ok. Wheres the nine?

* two years later*

Glock 43 9 mm. Yeaaaahhh finally. But wait 6 rounds. My j frame got that

Glock 19X. Holy diarrhea brown batman!!!!!
But wheres 17 slide / 19 grip???

Gen 5 glocks. What the hell. We a gen 2 again?

Now that 45 and front serrations?? .

And well yeah get my point.
Im happy that some company's are taking risks and innovating. Giving us more, swap able hand frames. Calibers. Mew weapon like CZ P10. Walther PPW. Sig P30. Vp9. Etc.

Sorry for the rant. Its just hate how people overlook the innovative side of SIG Sauers attempts. Like I told our fearless forum leader after the sale. Sig is really guilty of Beta testing its new products on us customers.

 

[Acer-m14]

My CVA 50 cal musket .. never a recall that i know of .. but by the book to adjust the set trigger .. once clicked .. you have a bomb .. 1 ounce trigger ..
do not drop .. do not sneeze .. unless that bead is on the target ..

now i sell it to some one .. tell them about it .. new guy .. oh i want to be ready clicks set trigger and sling it on shoulder .. .. nothing good is about to happen ..

... know your fkin gun/guns ..

PS .. and all mechanical stuff just fails at times .. no matter what it is ..

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ouch. That one stings a lil. But you did get it for a great deal. Night sites. FDE and gen 2 features. But Im only ball busting. Its all good

I can honestly tell all of you in this thread right now, unless that gun was reholstered improperly. Im calling shenanigans. As I once states before. I owned at Least 12 of these. Im now down to 10
I sold my 40 cal compact. And now a 9 mm compact. All but 1 of my Sig P320’s are the non-upgraded triggers. I love the old style trigger. But im also not a dumbass. I dont drop my weapon. Train well. Train smart. All that aside

I have a full size 9mm and a Compact 45 P320 that i do treat as tool. My training weapon. When i saw the drop test for it to land on the reverse slant angle upward off the beavertail. I was shocked. But its a rare occurrence, but can happen. I did start dropping my two pistols. Hell i even started throwing them with blanks to see if they popped. I will invite anyone here to do it at my club. Overhand like a hatchet. Underhand like softball etc. please. Get one of my pistols to fire. Ive done it. Got it to land once with a pop out of over 60 tries. So i invite people here. Come down to my shooting club. Fire some P320s. You may love it. Then i’ll let you throw em. Haha. Im that confident in the rare discharge occurrence. Putnam Fish and game association. Range open all week .

Yes i saw the blow hammer tests on back of slide. And omaha outdoors videos. It can happen. But Sig gives you the voluntary upgrade. Free shipping both ways. And all work. Free of charge.

Am i a Sig Snob. A Fan Boy. . Guilty as charged.

I just figure before the Edward ( yes you Ed) and the glock boys came out. I had a chance to defend a platform that i feel will change the landscape for pistols. Make the other brands work harder to please

Ya see for thirty years now. You can get the same. Reliable. Trusted. Rugged. Glock block 2 x 4 grip gun in multiple calibers. Does it do the job. Indeed.
Does it run. Indeed
Protect the masses. Indeed
Won contracts. Indeed
Have the ever thought outside the box. New pistol styles. Nah

Sig created a fully modular gun. Change caliber on the fly (albeit with a kit) from full to sub compact. Or to diff caliber

Also their polymer, striker gun was the first of its kind to have a fully metal trigger. No dingus in middle. Nor a hinge. Real metal. Real smooth too. And to think. The same trigger you perfected for the range and worked on to get them small groups. You can pull right out. Put in a compact or sub chassis. Same trigger. Same pull. Awesome for muscle memory.

After years of Steel P-series. They wanted to try new stuff. Make a new pistol.

Then they make a P365. Designed around a magazine. Again. Flat faced smooth metal trigger Its basically a Glock 43 with the 26 capacity.

Crazy right

What does glock do

Years ago.

Glock 42 380. Ehhhh ok. Wheres the nine?

* two years later*

Glock 43 9 mm. Yeaaaahhh finally. But wait 6 rounds. My j frame got that

Glock 19X. Holy diarrhea brown batman!!!!!
But wheres 17 slide / 19 grip???

Gen 5 glocks. What the hell. We a gen 2 again?

Now that 45 and front serrations?? .

And well yeah get my point.
Im happy that some company's are taking risks and innovating. Giving us more, swap able hand frames. Calibers. Mew weapon like CZ P10. Walther PPW. Sig P30. Vp9. Etc.

Sorry for the rant. Its just hate how people overlook the innovative side of SIG Sauers attempts. Like I told our fearless forum leader after the sale. Sig is really guilty of Beta testing its new products on us customers.

TLDR

but wait sig innovation? Might want to check they Steyr patents, seeing as they have already taken sig to court over infringement

 

[Defilade]

Ouch. That one stings a lil. But you did get it for a great deal. Night sites. FDE and gen 2 features. But Im only ball busting. Its all good

I can honestly tell all of you in this thread right now, unless that gun was reholstered improperly. Im calling shenanigans. As I once states before. I owned at Least 12 of these. Im now down to 10
I sold my 40 cal compact. And now a 9 mm compact. All but 1 of my Sig P320’s are the non-upgraded triggers. I love the old style trigger. But im also not a dumbass. I dont drop my weapon. Train well. Train smart. All that aside

I have a full size 9mm and a Compact 45 P320 that i do treat as tool. My training weapon. When i saw the drop test for it to land on the reverse slant angle upward off the beavertail. I was shocked. But its a rare occurrence, but can happen. I did start dropping my two pistols. Hell i even started throwing them with blanks to see if they popped. I will invite anyone here to do it at my club. Overhand like a hatchet. Underhand like softball etc. please. Get one of my pistols to fire. Ive done it. Got it to land once with a pop out of over 60 tries. So i invite people here. Come down to my shooting club. Fire some P320s. You may love it. Then i’ll let you throw em. Haha. Im that confident in the rare discharge occurrence. Putnam Fish and game association. Range open all week .

Yes i saw the blow hammer tests on back of slide. And omaha outdoors videos. It can happen. But Sig gives you the voluntary upgrade. Free shipping both ways. And all work. Free of charge.

Am i a Sig Snob. A Fan Boy. . Guilty as charged.

I just figure before the Edward ( yes you Ed) and the glock boys came out. I had a chance to defend a platform that i feel will change the landscape for pistols. Make the other brands work harder to please

Ya see for thirty years now. You can get the same. Reliable. Trusted. Rugged. Glock block 2 x 4 grip gun in multiple calibers. Does it do the job. Indeed.
Does it run. Indeed
Protect the masses. Indeed
Won contracts. Indeed
Have the ever thought outside the box. New pistol styles. Nah

Sig created a fully modular gun. Change caliber on the fly (albeit with a kit) from full to sub compact. Or to diff caliber

Also their polymer, striker gun was the first of its kind to have a fully metal trigger. No dingus in middle. Nor a hinge. Real metal. Real smooth too. And to think. The same trigger you perfected for the range and worked on to get them small groups. You can pull right out. Put in a compact or sub chassis. Same trigger. Same pull. Awesome for muscle memory.

After years of Steel P-series. They wanted to try new stuff. Make a new pistol.

Then they make a P365. Designed around a magazine. Again. Flat faced smooth metal trigger Its basically a Glock 43 with the 26 capacity.

Crazy right

What does glock do

Years ago.

Glock 42 380. Ehhhh ok. Wheres the nine?

* two years later*

Glock 43 9 mm. Yeaaaahhh finally. But wait 6 rounds. My j frame got that

Glock 19X. Holy diarrhea brown batman!!!!!
But wheres 17 slide / 19 grip???

Gen 5 glocks. What the hell. We a gen 2 again?

Now that 45 and front serrations?? .

And well yeah get my point.
Im happy that some company's are taking risks and innovating. Giving us more, swap able hand frames. Calibers. Mew weapon like CZ P10. Walther PPW. Sig P30. Vp9. Etc.

Sorry for the rant. Its just hate how people overlook the innovative side of SIG Sauers attempts. Like I told our fearless forum leader after the sale. Sig is really guilty of Beta testing its new products on us customers.

Well said! Here's the deal. Because a article of a possible mishap comes to light about a ND or a drop test that failed matters not. The Military adopted the P320 which means that any problems that may arise through the millions of rounds fired will be addressed. It will be "Perfected" whether you like it or not. Beretta had problems early on too. Now the 92 is a fine firearm! Also aftermarket support for the P320 will only swell to morph into something great for SIG. With time the 320 will overtake Glock for the most popular striker pistol IMO. Glock has done nothing recently but tried to copy SIG....

 

[ECU Pirates]

The “I don’t drop it like a dumbass” is ridiculous. Guns can be dropped in a struggle. They should not shoot when dropped. Ever.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'm still confused on how the article states these "facts"

1) Sig P320 holsterd in Safariland 6360

2) he was in the cafeteria

3) the gun was bumped and goes off.


How do we keep going to the officer must have been reholstering? Or something was in the holster.

Or sigs copy of the steyr patent is innovation (and well I guess steyr copied a China gun)

Can people just sit here, take actual evidence and say well damn I really like this gun but boy the company just hasn't designed it safely

 

[Acer-m14]

The “I don’t drop it like a dumbass” is ridiculous. Guns can be dropped in a struggle. They should not shoot when dropped. Ever.

your car / truck starter never die then after you shut it off and leave your kid stranded .. or them brake lines blowing out coming to a hard n fast stop ..

shit fails at times .. why just guns have to be 100%

PS .. oh i forgot .. i got pissed at my 4x4 truck once and just floored it .. well the gas pedal stuck to the floor ... truck went full auto .. i went for a brief ride ..

 

[ECU Pirates]

your car / truck starter never die then after you shut it off and leave your kid stranded .. or them brake lines blowing out coming to a hard n fast stop ..

shit fails at times .. why just guns have to be 100%

PS .. oh i forgot .. i got pissed at my 4x4 truck once and just floored it .. well the gas pedal stuck to the floor ... truck went full auto .. i went for a brief ride ..

Comparing a truck with a gun now? How many moving parts in each? There are guns that will not shoot unless the trigger is pulled. That’s the kind I carry.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Why defend a gun that fails in ways that other guns don't? Because you bought it? That's pretty stupid.

 

[Defilade]

Why defend a gun that fails in ways that other guns don't? Because you bought it? That's pretty stupid.

So the military I'm sure has shot probably millions of rounds through this gun already and it hasn't brought up that it needs another platform isn't proof enough that its sub par for its use isn't enough for your endorsement??? LMAO!!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

So the military I'm sure has shot probably millions of rounds through this gun already and it hasn't brought up that it needs another platform isn't proof enough that its sub par for its use isn't enough for your endorsement??? LMAO!!!

The military has had tons of different problems with it. They have to make it work. They can't just dump them. Have you read about the problems they've had that required service?

I mean really. It's all out there. How can you pretend that the model as a whole hasn't had problems and then compare then compare them to vehicles.

Other manufacturers haven't had that amount of problems like Sig has had in their last 2 models.

 

[Defilade]

I'm still confused on how the article states these "facts"

1) Sig P320 holsterd in Safariland 6360

2) he was in the cafeteria

3) the gun was bumped and goes off.


How do we keep going to the officer must have been reholstering? Or something was in the holster.

Or sigs copy of the steyr patent is innovation (and well I guess steyr copied a China gun)

Can people just sit here, take actual evidence and say well damn I really like this gun but boy the company just hasn't designed it safely

Are you confused? So a modern striker fired gun gos off because it was bumped??? Lol Mind you a military weapon!! That gun by this point has had millions of rounds through it and your not confused??? I'm sure it is an outlier that is enhanced by the media considering the media picks up any negitve gun story available.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Are you confused? So a modern striker fired gun gos off confused?

Without the trigger being pulled? Which other modern striker fired gun has suffered from that?

Look. Sig has done things right. They've created a pistol with a disposable frame. There's a lot of value in that. You can practice stippling it cutting it doing whatever you want to it without fear because you can buy another frame for 40 bucks. That's innovation. Their 365 it is also right. They've managed to get a double stack 11 round gun into the size of a normal 7 round gun. That's innovation and it's all great.

But.... They rush it. They don't test it properly. Their engineering team is spot-on. They're testing team and sales team are garbage however. A few kinks here and there is expected. But triggers breaking, guns being fired when dropped, strikers breaking, live rounds being ejected through the course of normal operation, guns going off when hit in the right place, ect... is unacceptable. And then to blame the user and only fix it after a huge backlash? That's unacceptable as well.