This cant be true! Are we doomed? Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism

[spat]

Arguing against any social safety net is an extreme position. Labeling anything less absolute as socialism is an extreme view. It's you who is indoctrinated and brainwashed, not the majority of the public, who would at least support a social security program.

I'm not so sure the majority would support social security if their alternative allowed them to keep their money and invest it themselves.

We could certainly get a much better return on our investment, and for people my age and younger, probably less chance of losing what we put in.

Why do people believe that every problem in society needs government to solve ?

You don't ask your doctor to unclog your drain, or your plumber to rewire your house. Why would you ask your government to handle your retirement or healthcare ?

 

[@thewheels]

You (@thewheels) framed your argument as either A) or B).
There are laws that don't fit either example. Certainly, I'm not defending or denying those laws exist.
Capitalism also depends on government sticking its nose in matters that are not related to what commonly viewed as a crime. Again, not denying that this is the case or whether I agree with them but I would add that we don't actually know what actual capitalism looks like. We haven't operated like that for over a hundred years and anyone that holds up our system as capitalistic is blind. We're on borrowed time. The host will eventually be killed by the parasitical socialist creep.
"The threat of violence", your choice of words comes from Capitalism as well. Because reasons.

 

[@thewheels]

Why do people believe that every problem in society needs government to solve ?

You don't ask your doctor to unclog your drain, or your plumber to rewire your house. Why would you ask your government to handle your retirement or healthcare ?

Answer: They're part of the chains rest lightly crew.

 

[Bigfoot]

I don't condone socialism, wife says I'm anti-social. Damn personality defects.

anti-social? --- I prefer to call it anti-dumb ass.

 

[Mosinitis]

So there is no charitable role the government should play to help people during the natural disaster. Next time you find yourself in the middle of a flood or in the earthquake rubble, rely on your local charitable church group to get you back on your feet.
I am not defending socialism, just demonstrating the stupidity of absolutist views.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Just because there are laws on the books about something doesn't mean there *should be*.

Or are you arguing that existing gun laws are good because we already have a lot of them ?

I'm not in favor of insider trading laws for instance. Let the CEO trade on what he knows, hell, let him sell tips to his friends. Everybody else in the market should just watch closely.

Well, except the CEO is in a position to take actions to tank the stock, and short sell it, before anyone else has the ability to know the stock is about to tank.

 

[Mosinitis]

Overwhelming majority of pro-gun people don't take absolutist views on the 2nd amendment. I doubt that many would support the right of jailed convicted violent felons to posses firearms in prison.

 

[@thewheels]

So there is no charitable role the government should play to help people during the natural disaster. Next time you find yourself in the middle of a flood or in the earthquake rubble, rely on your local charitable church group to get you back on your feet.
I am not defending socialism, just demonstrating the stupidity of absolutist views.

It's a real comfort to the folks in Indiana knowing that they're on the hook for the next round of wildfires in California.
And the folks in Montana can't wait to bail out all the condo owners AGAIN in Florida this hurricane season.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Deplorable Me]

So there is no charitable role the government should play to help people during the natural disaster. Next time you find yourself in the middle of a flood or in the earthquake rubble, rely on your local charitable church group to get you back on your feet.
I am not defending socialism, just demonstrating the stupidity of absolutist views.

Government should be for the needy, not the greedy.

 

[Mosinitis]

It's a real comfort to the folks in Indiana knowing that they're on the hook for the next round of wildfires in California.
And the folks in Montana can't wait to bail out all the condo owners AGAIN in Florida this hurricane season.

Natural disasters can happen pretty much anywhere. People in Montana and Indiana constitute only a small fraction of the total "socialist" collective bailing out those who got hit with a natural disaster. You are grasping at straws instead of recognizing stupidity of your absolutist position.

 

[@thewheels]

Natural disasters can happen pretty much anywhere. People in Montana and Indiana constitute only a small fraction of the total socialist collective bailing out those who got hit with a natural disaster. You are grasping at straws instead of recognizing stupidity of your absolutist position.

And you're still defending socialism. They can happen anywhere but I used those random states to make the point.

People choose to live in Florida on/near the water. Nobody forces them. And if that's what they want, great but it's their choice and their risk/responsibility when (not if) the storms come. Why does the rest of the country need to keep rebuilding and sending aid money after every storm?

California created its wildfire problems. Their environmental policies, their state, their choice. Fine, deal with the repercussions without going to the rest of the states looking for a hand out.

 

[@thewheels]

Overwhelming majority of pro-gun people don't take absolutist views on the 2nd amendment.

They should. We wouldn't be where we are today.

 

[Mosinitis]

And you're still defending socialism. They can happen anywhere but I used those random states to make the point.

People choose to live in Florida on/near the water. Nobody forces them. And if that's what they want, great but it's their choice and their risk/responsibility when (not if) the storms come. Why does the rest of the country need to keep rebuilding and sending aid money after every storm?

California created its wildfire problems. Their environmental policies, their state, their choice. Fine, deal with the repercussions without going to the rest of the states looking for a hand out.

So you are ok with state socialism in some extreme cases as opposed to federal socialism in some extreme cases. We are making some progress here. Each state will have its own disaster relief program fair to each state as opposed to a single federal program. This is the capitalist efficiency?

 

[spat]

So you are ok with state socialism in some extreme cases as opposed to federal socialism in some extreme cases. We are making some progress here. Each state will have its own disaster relief program fair to each state as opposed to a single federal program. This is the capitalist efficiency?

No, each person buys insurance from a company that evaluates the person's individual risk to price it.

No government required, people who insist on building in a hurricane path get to pay extra to be indemnified for hurricanes, etc...

 

[spat]

Well, except the CEO is in a position to take actions to tank the stock, and short sell it, before anyone else has the ability to know the stock is about to tank.

Yep, he could do that, but as CEO he has a fiduciary duty to support the stock price, and if any other stock holders caught him manipulating the price like that they could sue him for damages.

 

[Mosinitis]

No, each person buys insurance from a company that evaluates the person's individual risk to price it.

No government required, people who insist on building in a hurricane path get to pay extra to be indemnified for hurricanes, etc...

The main purpose of disaster relief is to provide immediate help necessary for people to survive the disaster. Delivering food and fresh water into inaccessible areas, restoring electricity, communications, roads, medical help for the injured. All as soon as possible and on a massive scale. Which insurance company is equipped to do that?

 

[spat]

The main purpose of disaster relief is to provide immediate help necessary for people to survive the disaster. Delivering food and fresh water into inaccessible areas, restoring electricity, communications, roads, medical help for the injured. All as soon as possible and on a massive scale. Which insurance company is equipped to do that?

All of them would be if they didn't have the government to do it for them.

 

[Mosinitis]

No

 

[redtail]

No

I find your username and position on this topic very ironic.

 

[Mosinitis]

I find your username and position on this topic very ironic.

I don't give a shit about what you think. I tell it like it is.

 

[Robin]

Like it is. No. Like you see it. Yes.
Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

Every time someone shits his bed in America it's Lenin/Stalin's fault or playbook. Most of these idiots never took a history class in their life. Talk radio socioeconomic experts.

 

[Podmonkey]

Don't much care for communists. 'Cept dead ones. Those are the best kind of communists.

 

[Mosinitis]

Don't much care for communists. 'Cept dead ones. Those are the best kind of communists.

I don't care much for communists either. The ideology was discredited long ago. That's not to say communists never did anything good or never stood for what's right. The problem I have is our government's claim of political freedom, while treating any association with what is one of the major political parties in most countries equivalent to a felony conviction. Questions about membership or one's association with communist party are on many government forms, when one applies for employment, security clearance or a visa. Needless to say communist party in this country doesn't have the numbers or influence to speak of and yet it is blamed for most of the misdeeds in our society.
Again, I was never a member or a fan of communists, just can't stand when people blow smoke up my ass.

 

[fresch]

Pete Buttigieg's father was a Marxist professor who lauded the Communist Manifesto
If you read you will see it is all about the removal of capitalism.
Per the communist manifesto, first socialist then communist.
That's why the U.S. Is anti communist; are politics out of control, yes only because we found that we can vote in a raise and as the Founding Fathers warned, the end of the Republic.

 

[Mosinitis]

Pete Buttigieg's father was a Marxist professor who lauded the Communist Manifesto
If you read you will see it is all about the removal of capitalism.
Per the communist manifesto, first socialist then communist.
That's why the U.S. Is anti communist; are politics out of control, yes only because we found that we can vote in a raise and as the Founding Fathers warned, the end of the Republic.

There was never a single attempt by the communists to overthrow U.S. government.
Christians believe in a Judgement day, which amounts to the end of government control. A number of conservative movements called for the revolution. I don't have a problem with what people believe in, why is our government involved in selective disapproval.
Funny how communists fought for the civil rights long before it became popular with the political establishment class, so they did have a point. They had a point during Vietnam war. They had a point during Hitler's rise to power. They did the most to help Jews during Holocaust.

 

[Robin]

Ah yes, the blind squirrel theory.
Robin

 

[fresch]

There was never a single attempt by the communists to overthrow U.S. government.
(It is a continual process.)

Christians believe in a Judgement day, which amounts to the end of government control.
(? It amounts to the end of time.)

A number of conservative movements called for the revolution.
(What revolution? Who do you consider to be the Conservative movements?)

I don't have a problem with what people believe in, why is our government involved in selective disapproval.
(? Sel.dis. ? Like what?)

Funny how communists fought for the civil rights long before it became popular with the political establishment class, so they did have a point.
(Funny how people will risk life to get out of communist and into the U.S. or funny how communist use walls to keep people in and we need walls to control the entrance of people to legally let them enter, that kind of funny?)

They had a point during Vietnam war. They had a point during Hitler's rise to power. They did the most to help Jews during Holocaust.

(The point being, complete domination and control of the populace or death, check out how many the communist kill, means to the ends.)

 

[Mosinitis]

(The point being, complete domination and control of the populace or death, check out how many the communist kill, means to the ends.)

That was never a goal of communist parties in the west. Check out how many people communists actually killed and how our propaganda added pretty much every death that occurred to the number. Our political campaigns and our politics is based on lies and gross exaggerations. We do this to our own, what are the chances communists got a fair treatment in propaganda wars?