Kay Jewelers fires manager for turning deputy away over service weapon
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"The deputy explained that he was in uniform, his marked patrol car was waiting in the parking lot and he’d be violating policy if he removed the weapon while he was suited up for the job, the sheriff’s office wrote."
Just like you'd be violating policy bringing a gun in. Not hard to grasp.
Oh look, another entitled cop.
“If an emergency happens, here’s what you have to expect from an officer: an officer is going to be armed,” he told local station FOX 46. “That’s tools of the trade.”
The day you let a firefighter in with a fire axe in hand is the day that "woe is the persecuted cop" line works.
Just like you'd be violating policy bringing a gun in. Not hard to grasp.
Oh look, another entitled cop.
“If an emergency happens, here’s what you have to expect from an officer: an officer is going to be armed,” he told local station FOX 46. “That’s tools of the trade.”
The day you let a firefighter in with a fire axe in hand is the day that "woe is the persecuted cop" line works.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A firefighter doesn’t carry an ax around when going out and about.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Good corporate response:
“Kay Jewelers reached out immediately to the customer and the Iredell County Sheriff’s Office, and we sincerely apologized for the mishandling of this matter,” the statement said. “Our policy is that any member of law enforcement is always welcomed in our store at any time, as a customer or in an official capacity.”
Why not?
It's part of the uniform and by golly they have every right to carry it around in case there is an emergency.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No it’s not. It’s a tool assigned to the firetruck. If the cop’s pistol was assigned to the car along with his bolt cutters, battering ram, and anything else in the trunk, you’d have a point.
repete
.338 Win Mag
I gotta go willjr on this, he's got a good point.
Not at all. Doesn't matter if it's assigned to the firehouse. It's part of the uniform that could be used in an emergency. The exact excuse they are using.
Different Drummer
.44 mag
My question would be , what was he doing taking care of personal business while
on the tax payers time clock? Plus there is the use of an official vehicle and the expense of
driving it to Kay Jewelers to take care of his personal business to consider.
I don't buy the lunch break story. Think he went without lunch that day because he used up his lunch break time at the Jewelers?
on the tax payers time clock? Plus there is the use of an official vehicle and the expense of
driving it to Kay Jewelers to take care of his personal business to consider.
I don't buy the lunch break story. Think he went without lunch that day because he used up his lunch break time at the Jewelers?
spat
.950 JDJ
no they're not.
The cop is required to carry the firearm on his person as part of his uniform.
The equivalent you are looking for with a firefighter would be something like his jacket.
The cop wasn't insisting on bringing in the AR he keeps in the trunk.
Regardless, the problem isn't really any of that. The problem is that Kay has an asinine policy, and when one of their managers attempted to actually follow it they threw them under the bus.
Did you miss the entire paragraph where they said:
“If an emergency happens, here’s what you have to expect from an officer: an officer is going to be armed,” he told local station FOX 46. “That’s tools of the trade.”
?
The problem is the store has a no gun policy. The cop blatantly ignored it and got in a huff when they asked him to leave.
Trespassing for you and I. Persecution for the cop.
spat
.950 JDJ
No, trespassing is only if they ask you to leave and you don't. He left when asked.
He got just what any of us would have gotten. He didn't wave his badge around and demand to be served, which is what you seem to be insinuating he did.
The difference is that when he complained about the BS after the incident the company took him seriously and added an exception to their policy retroactively, then fired the manager for not reading their minds.
Or are you saying that Kay shouldn't be allowed to have a different policy for uniformed LE than the rest of us ?
I thought it was their property, their rules ?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
My friend was a state LEO in an agency that required him to carry while on- and off- duty.
What the fuck would he have done in this scenario, @Darth?
What the fuck would he have done in this scenario, @Darth?
Doc8404
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Why do you guys bother?
That’s a dumb analogy. Firefighters don’t carry axes during the vast majority of their career while doing even most FF’er duties. Cops ALWAYS have guns on them.
He shouldn’t have went in uniform though. That’s just dumb regardless except for very minor shopping.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That was Darth’s analogy. Not mine. Read from before my post.
Oh shit, that’s pretty funny. I’ve been ignoring that loser for months. First time it’s affected a comment of mine lol.
What the fuck is wrong with you guys for not doing the same? Come on!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That’s why I don’t ignore anyone. It breaks the thread. I’ve seen this confusion more than once.
You have a point but I just got fed up. It’s the most retarded act I’ve ever seen in person or online. Not worth my time to even see it, much less have to choose whether or not to respond.
Anyway, did you see my second part? If I was in this guy’s chain of command I’d highly discourage doing anything like this in uniform. I mean I stop at the bank, get snacks, even sometimes grab medicine we need or little groceries for home, but that’s the extent of what I consider appropriate shopping while on-duty.
Anyway, did you see my second part? If I was in this guy’s chain of command I’d highly discourage doing anything like this in uniform. I mean I stop at the bank, get snacks, even sometimes grab medicine we need or little groceries for home, but that’s the extent of what I consider appropriate shopping while on-duty.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so whats a LEO to do .. when on lunch break .. park the cop car .. change his clothes in the parking lot . then go on lunch break ..
then a call comes in .. now he is needed .. now what ..
now were into lunch break laws .. in NY .. the Employer must allow them .. and if you take the meal break and then get called to work its a short break
and you get paid for the for the whole time your allowed for lunch ..
maybe all first responder's and EMT's should leave there EDC medical stuff in the car when they shop .. never know .. could go on a wild scissor attack
then a call comes in .. now he is needed .. now what ..
now were into lunch break laws .. in NY .. the Employer must allow them .. and if you take the meal break and then get called to work its a short break
and you get paid for the for the whole time your allowed for lunch ..
maybe all first responder's and EMT's should leave there EDC medical stuff in the car when they shop .. never know .. could go on a wild scissor attack
Lunch breaks are not required in NY.
spat
.950 JDJ
I got the impression that he had already picked out the ring and was just stopping in to pick it up. That seems like the sort or quick in and out that's reasonable. Plus, they said he was on lunch at the time.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
tell my boss that .. fk i keep telling them show me the word employee in it . LOL .. only the Employer has to allow them .. nothing on me taking it ..
fking tight wads ..
spat
.950 JDJ
Are you suggesting that the store wouldn't complain if a firefighter had come in with an axe over his shoulder ?
I'm saying they very much would.
The firefighter would have 2 options. Leave and come back without the offending item. Or cry until he gets his way , because damn it, he's entitled to shop there!
I know what most non privileged folks would do.
spat
.950 JDJ
You are falling victim to laws intended to protect you. Unintended consequences.
You have to take the break, because the employer must be able to prove that they offer them.
You can bet that any employer who allowed employees to decline the break would end up getting sued by someone who claimed they were illegally "encouraged" not to take them.
Safest option for the employer is to make you take the break.