speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
ill say the same thing to you as i say to people who look to other countries for policy, we are not other countries. Our system is what makes us unique
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. And we are great because of it and also have problems because of it. Our uniqueness is not always the best or the most efficient. We aren’t perfect.
I will say it again: I don't see anything remotely unethical with mandatory military service.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
except for that whole government forcing you to do something thing
Taxes, permits, licences, vaccinations......how dare the government force you to do anything.except for that whole government forcing you to do something thing
Say no to those few things and see what happens.
Anyone that thinks we live free and aren't forced by government in our everyday lives isn't really paying attention.
I think citizens have an obligation to serve their country in at least some capacity.except for that whole government forcing you to do something thing
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Service builds discipline, humility and self reliance. We are too soft these days.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Mandatory military service is no different than any other form of taxation.except for that whole government forcing you to do something thing
In many ways it is far more fair.
That said, it is still a form of theft.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
You're forcing people by threat of violence. How is that not unethical or immoral?
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
Only in those who want to be built.
Military life is authoritarian. It's a limited term.
After two years of learning the universe doesn't revolve around one's self might perhaps deepen one's appreciation for the liberty one enjoys as a civilian.
I would say the proper mantra is "joy through strength".
Ah yes so that makes forced labor a good thing
Because it fits his views
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Cool.
Life (of service), liberty (to the extent we give you any), and the pursuit of shut up and do what we tell you to do.
Life (of service), liberty (to the extent we give you any), and the pursuit of shut up and do what we tell you to do.
People should honor their obligations without any threat. And that is the problem. Most people these days are selfish pieces of shit.
Why do you belive that it's a person's obligation to serve in the military
2 years of service. Only 2 years. Are you such a snowflake baby you can't endure a short period in which you are part if something larger than yourself? It's not any different than schooling requirements.
I shouldn't have to explain. It should be self evident. That it is not is a symptom of the grossly vacuous and hedonistic nature of modern western society. In basic training I exceeded all my personal limits and grew beyond myself. I became a better person.
I didn't consider my time in service as labor.
What I got out of it was priceless.
I understand it's not for the weak or timid but even those types can benefit immensely.
There are many ways to serve, not everyone needs to be a beach bullet sponge. A person could be a military meteorologist for example, if they had the aptitude.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Has nothing to do with it.
It's still labor. Whether you enjoyed it or not
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Hmm.
"Work makes you free."
I feel like I've read that someplace before.
"Work makes you free."
I feel like I've read that someplace before.
Ah yes and I'm sure the majority that you all want to force into service are going to be going for the technical jobs.. or even offered the choice
You have a warped view of military service. When you say "labor" you make it sound like a factory job or something.
Under the current voluntary system the Army gives the option to request any Military Occupational Specialty desired. As long as your entry testing qualifies you for your desired MOS and there are slots available that selection is part of your enlistment contract.
Under conscription that would probably not be the case. Suck it up butter cup. Prepare for the ASVAB. Do well and and you are more likely to be plugged into a technical specialty.
Personally, I would like to see all citizens required to do 2 years of public service when they hit 18, at a nominal pay rate. The two years would consist of four (4) six month stints. And in return, that should give them the right to attend two (2) years of college or other higher education such as a trade school without tuition.
No one should be exempt just because they're family is rich either. The six month stints should be varied, and expose them to a wide range of work and careers. This country could use a whole lot of cleaning up, and among the other jobs they should have to do would be to assist in nursing facilities. Most young people have no idea about the care that elderly require and deserve. It would do them good to learn some. Sort of like the conservation corps they had during the Depression.
No one should be exempt just because they're family is rich either. The six month stints should be varied, and expose them to a wide range of work and careers. This country could use a whole lot of cleaning up, and among the other jobs they should have to do would be to assist in nursing facilities. Most young people have no idea about the care that elderly require and deserve. It would do them good to learn some. Sort of like the conservation corps they had during the Depression.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
You do realize we are talking about socialism here, yes?