Justincase
.308 Win
Did they have a warrant? Should've told them to go fuck themselves without one.
Police: Family worried after finding military weapons in elderly couple's Montgomery County home
- Thread starter byron
- Start date
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Family members helping an elderly couple clean out their home became concerned when they discovered multiple military ordnance items and firearms inside, police said.
the LEO were invited by non owners of the property .. hummmmm ..
the LEO were invited by non owners of the property .. hummmmm ..
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
From the comments section
2 days ago
Now for the rest of the story, and summarizing it. A couple, one of whom was a Vietnam veteran and collector of military memorabilia, were moving. Family members offered to help. When they arrived, they saw the couple had military memorabilia and got scared. They called police. Police came and arrested the man and sent him for involuntary psychiatric screening. This would have been done with a mental health warrant that the police would have sought based on the family being afraid of them having guns. No threat was needed to get the warrant - just a family member who was afraid of them and knew they had them.
The man was taken involuntarily to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. Police removed all the memorabilia, then determined they were all safe and there was no danger. It is not clear if the man has been released from the hospital or not. Police are (hopefully) still in possession of all his possessions. No word on what actions he will have to take to get them back assuming none go missing.
Pennsylvania does NOT have red flag laws. Therefore, police seized the mans property and committed him to a psychiatric hospital without cause. A red flag law would actually make that totally legal. ANY family member that has ANY relative that owns guns, if that family member doesn't like guns, can have them confiscated. Many states that have red flag laws currently allow the court orders to be requested by family members - it doesn't have to be law enforcement. So a family member approaches the court, says they have been saying stuff that they believe makes them a risk to themselves or others, and they throw in a few "quotes". Many states, the evidenciary requirements are low so the order is issued. It's sent to police who execute it. A man is at home watching TV and police come knocking and tell him they are there to execute a warrant to take his guns. He can't do anything to stop them.
Now for the rest of the story, and summarizing it. A couple, one of whom was a Vietnam veteran and collector of military memorabilia, were moving. Family members offered to help. When they arrived, they saw the couple had military memorabilia and got scared. They called police. Police came and arrested the man and sent him for involuntary psychiatric screening. This would have been done with a mental health warrant that the police would have sought based on the family being afraid of them having guns. No threat was needed to get the warrant - just a family member who was afraid of them and knew they had them.
The man was taken involuntarily to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. Police removed all the memorabilia, then determined they were all safe and there was no danger. It is not clear if the man has been released from the hospital or not. Police are (hopefully) still in possession of all his possessions. No word on what actions he will have to take to get them back assuming none go missing.
Pennsylvania does NOT have red flag laws. Therefore, police seized the mans property and committed him to a psychiatric hospital without cause. A red flag law would actually make that totally legal. ANY family member that has ANY relative that owns guns, if that family member doesn't like guns, can have them confiscated. Many states that have red flag laws currently allow the court orders to be requested by family members - it doesn't have to be law enforcement. So a family member approaches the court, says they have been saying stuff that they believe makes them a risk to themselves or others, and they throw in a few "quotes". Many states, the evidenciary requirements are low so the order is issued. It's sent to police who execute it. A man is at home watching TV and police come knocking and tell him they are there to execute a warrant to take his guns. He can't do anything to stop them.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
And another that makes sense
2 days ago
My guess the items they are describing as bombs are inert mortar shells. The those were live mortar rounds the entire area would have been cordoned off and the bomb squad would dealt with them. As for the rifles they all looked like bolt action rifles. Just because the guy didn't fit their idea of a good neighbor does not make him a criminal.
My guess the items they are describing as bombs are inert mortar shells. The those were live mortar rounds the entire area would have been cordoned off and the bomb squad would dealt with them. As for the rifles they all looked like bolt action rifles. Just because the guy didn't fit their idea of a good neighbor does not make him a criminal.
prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
Till you suck down a half dozen mango wheats!!
Yeah, but then I'm talking with you, Butterfly or Mrs. prambo...or stuffing fire-baked pizza in my mouth...or going to the men's to make room for more mango wheat.
Already looking forward to the 4th Annual meetup.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Folks I know I have said this before ....
The new buzz word for the anti's is "Weapons of war ".....And it is there for a reason ... Soon a military grade weapon will include the 1911's and all it's bastard offspring ... (any auto loading handgun ) and even my authentic German Mauser that someone made into a .300 Savage deer rifle will be included as a "bad gun " .... because it once was a real weapon of war ... of course all its bastard offspring will be included ... You know your Remington 700 and the like ... after all a scope on it will make it into a sniper rifle ... Hope I am wrong ... but I fear we are sliding that way fast....
The new buzz word for the anti's is "Weapons of war ".....And it is there for a reason ... Soon a military grade weapon will include the 1911's and all it's bastard offspring ... (any auto loading handgun ) and even my authentic German Mauser that someone made into a .300 Savage deer rifle will be included as a "bad gun " .... because it once was a real weapon of war ... of course all its bastard offspring will be included ... You know your Remington 700 and the like ... after all a scope on it will make it into a sniper rifle ... Hope I am wrong ... but I fear we are sliding that way fast....
Toecutter
.308 Win
Yes arms are weapons of war and we are free people and the government is not allowed to dictate what we can and can't own . provided we are not denying people of thier life , liberty or property. Which is what we see here happening to a US citizen.
prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I hope he sues the ever loving shit out of them and bankrupts the town, county, state, of whatever police state agents shackled him and took him away. Sounds like the soviet union!
Robin
Robin
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
First thing after release from involuntary admission is to hire the meanest and most competent lawyer he can find to sue the living shit out everyone involved in taking his possessions. Second is find out who contacted the cops, and write that worthless POS and any and all members of HIS or HER family out of his will.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
IIMO that this will happen more often so I would suggest that all psychiatrist questions be answered with; I want a lawyer!
Kirk_STNY
.45 acp
I would gladly contribute to a go fund me page for the guy to pay legal expenses.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
A lesson learned, never let relatives or police into your home.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
At least not see your stash ....
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
They arrested the wrong one .. should have been the family members who called the police; Then send them off to have there feelings checked out and underling mental conditions ..
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I love how the even swords comment was made and of course those bombs are real. SMH.