NYSAFE: ammunition background check implementation

[Tisto]

An active law enforcement officer in Wayne County attended a meeting last week with the State Police and other local police agencies.

One of the things that was discussed is ammunition background checks. The leader of the NY state legislature has been putting pressure on our Governor to implement the ammunition background check provision of the Safe Act. Previously that technology was not perfected, however they now have an ammunition background check program that recently went on line in California.

The new NY State Police superintendent has met with the Governor and the superintendent (Keith M. Corbett) has made it a priority to bring the ammo background check program online in our state.

Unknown at this time is if you will have to pay a fee for the background check, but they will also limit the amount of ammunition you can purchase each month.

So, if you are a hunter, recreational or competitive shooter may I suggest you stock up now.


That is the body of text sent to me from the 1791 Society earlier today. Looks like it might be here soon.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Awesome.

 

[Jmac00]

CONTINUE to reload, fuck them. I got enough product to keep me in ammo for the next, ten years.

maybe I'll start an underground ammo supply business, I could make a fortune, LOL

 

[Criticalt]

The closest place for me to buy ammo is in PA. Ive bought all my guns and ammo there for years.
Now I will be bringing in MUCH more ammo per trip.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

OH Great........I wonder if getting one of those PIN Numbers you get get for background check from NICS would help?!

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

CONTINUE to reload, fuck them. I got enough product to keep me in ammo for the next, ten years.

maybe I'll start an underground ammo supply business, I could make a fortune, LOL

.....and this will be next. Watch.

 

[Jmac00]

.....and this will be next. Watch.

don't care, I'll be gone in 24 months,

 

[Phauxtoe]

my boy just graduated and i have been looking for an out of state job. as soon as i find it BaBUY!
what is California doing, did they set up a system or are they using the national system?

 

[Bigfoot]

This is bad news for the gang bangers and all of the other violent criminals... Oh wait ,,, nevermind.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Cant wait to pay 20 bucks for a NICS check to buy a 14 dollar box of ammo.

Assholes.

 

[Celt]

I really hope this fails. This is a huge pet peeve of mine. This will not stop any criminal or person intent on doing somebody harm. It is completely, and utterly by design a back door registration, and another way to try and make the shooting sports unaffordable for the middle and lower class.

 

[Bigfoot]

Cant wait to pay 20 bucks for a NICS check to buy a 14 dollar box of ammo.

Assholes.

As you already know. Part of the plan is to make gun ownership in NY such a royal pain in the ass.
That some people will just give up on it. And the young people won't even bother to get started with it.

FUAC!!!

 

[Celt]

I bet you that fudd @Diesel Tech is all for it. He probably only shoots one Box of 12 gauge and 30-30 a year anyway.

And I see local gun shops wringing their hands already and hoping that it pans out. Far too many gun shop owners love to hear talk of gun control because it just drives up sales.

 

[GOYABEAN]

wait till a bullet cost $19.99 each plus tax and NICS fee

 

[ProgSpear]

They are desperate to get this up as it is the back door registration method, particularly if unlike the supposedly normal NICS process THE STATE RETAINS THE RECORDS IN A CENTRAL DATABASE. If someone buys a box of 30-30, big deal, just a FUDD. If someone buys a case of 12 ga., meh, probably just a trap shooter. If someone buys a 1000 rd. of .223/5.56, then it's clearly a potential domestic terrorist. Automatic red flag.

PA is going to reap a windfall in ammo sales. Actually, a lot of long lost cousins will be rediscovered in all free states.

 

[Celt]

They are desperate to get this up as it is the back door registration method, particularly if unlike the supposedly normal NICS process THE STATE RETAINS THE RECORDS IN A CENTRAL DATABASE. If someone buys a box of 30-30, big deal, just a FUDD. If someone buys a case of 12 ga., meh, probably just a trap shooter. If someone buys a 1000 rd. of .223/5.56, then it's clearly a potential domestic terrorist. Automatic red flag.

PA is going to reap a windfall in ammo sales. Actually, a lot of long lost cousins will be rediscovered in all free states.

Ill make road trips and buy in bulk.

 

[Bigfoot]

They are desperate to get this up as it is the back door registration method, particularly if unlike the supposedly normal NICS process THE STATE RETAINS THE RECORDS IN A CENTRAL DATABASE. If someone buys a box of 30-30, big deal, just a FUDD. If someone buys a case of 12 ga., meh, probably just a trap shooter. If someone buys a 1000 rd. of .223/5.56, then it's clearly a potential domestic terrorist. Automatic red flag.

PA is going to reap a windfall in ammo sales. Actually, a lot of long lost cousins will be rediscovered in all free states.

Speaking of PA...

IIRC, After Cuomo signed the NY UNSAFE Act into law.
The Governor of Pennsylvania at the time. Said that if the (pre ban) 30 round magazines are so dangerous.
Why are you (Cuomo) telling New Yorkers to sell them to people in my state.

Or something like that...

I just brought that up to point out the stupidity of all of this bullshit.

 

[Twogunwilly]

OH Great........I wonder if getting one of those PIN Numbers you get get for background check from NICS would help?!

Yes, it'll help you get on their red flag lists faster

 

[Podmonkey]

I guess I'll be seeing some of you in the PA gun shops then.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Speaking of PA...

IIRC, After Cuomo signed the NY UNSAFE Act into law.
The Governor of Pennsylvania at the time. Said that if the (pre ban) 30 round magazines are so dangerous.
Why are you (Cuomo) telling New Yorkers to sell them to people in my state.

Or something like that...

I just brought that up to point out the stupidity of all of this bullshit.

Wolf the goatfucker and are butt buddies

 

[Airborneguy]

I haven’t purchased ammo in NY in any measurable amount in nearly a decade. Once this is up, that will become “not a single box.”

I’m not due for ammo for a long time. My stockpile is set and my shooting pile will last me a few years as well. I mostly shoot 9mm now which I easily reload and have plenty of components stockpiled for.

Fuck Cuomo.

 

[Podmonkey]

I haven’t purchased ammo in NY in any measurable amount in nearly a decade. Once this is up, that will become “not a single box.”

I’m not due for ammo for a long time. My stockpile is set and my shooting pile will last me a few years as well. I mostly shoot 9mm now which I easily reload and have plenty of components stockpiled for.

Fuck Cuomo.

I cannot build up a stockpile for the life of me! I keep shooting it! I will buy a case and before the week is out it's all in the berm already! I.......I think I have a problem. Please help me!

 

[Tisto]

Sorry, I need to ammend my original post.

Not in the body of the text, and therefore it didn't get copied to the post, there was a statement to the effect that "...registration is included in the proposed system, and that the ammunition you buy will have to match one of your weapons, and there will be limits on the number of rounds you can purchase each month..."

FULL registration is now, and always was the original intent. Since this is a State system, the laws against FEDERAL REGISTRATION DO NOT APPLY. You can bet your ass that if you try to buy ammo for something you didn't tell them about, you'll be getting a flash-bang at 4:15 am. No, what I meant was, a kind and friendly knock on your front door at dinner time, or maybe just a friendly phone call where they will ask you about your purchase. Maybe not.

 

[Airborneguy]

None of that was in the Safe Act so it would require new laws. I think you got a fear mongering email.

 

[Celt]

I haven’t purchased ammo in NY in any measurable amount in nearly a decade. Once this is up, that will become “not a single box.”

I’m not due for ammo for a long time. My stockpile is set and my shooting pile will last me a few years as well. I mostly shoot 9mm now which I easily reload and have plenty of components stockpiled for.

Fuck Cuomo.

Same.

 

[Podmonkey]

Same.

My name is Podmonkey and I'm an ammoholic.

 

[Celt]

None of that was in the Safe Act so it would require new laws. I think you got a fear mongering email.

Going from memory, the safe act required all ammunition purchases to be entered into a log book with the person's name, their driver's license information and address, the caliber, and the quantity. And I remember in an early draft of the law that they had stated that anybody purchasing a 1000 rounds or more would be flagged for review, but that part did not make it into the final law.

You can bet that there ammunition database will absolutely record everybody and be a defacto registration.

 

[Tisto]

None of that was in the Safe Act so it would require new laws. I think you got a fear mongering email.

I beg to differ. Background checks for ammo most certainly WAS ( ans still is ) in NYSAFE. The Memorandum of Understanding is and always was temporary. The implementation system was never actually described, letting the common catch-phrase "...as prescribed by the [ insert whomever is in charge of this shit ]...." cover all the details.

 

[Airborneguy]

I never said background checks weren’t in the bill. I was referring to all the stuff you posted after, such as registration.

If a registration database is to be set up, it would require a new law as that was not in the original bill.

 

[Tisto]

I still disagree. If the registration is set up as part of the background check database, and the bgc database was part of NYSAFE, then no further legislation is required. Since the bgc system and it's implementation were left open-ended in NYSAFE, the design may incorporate anything Andrew and her ass-kissing minions want it to include. Maybe they will just ask what calibers you own. Doubt it.