Red Flag standoff in Mahopac

[speedkills27]

I find myself doing less and less no matter the job.

People suck. Period. They have zero clue what goes on in the world around them.

My level of caring is at a low that can never be regained.

Its no doubt, an extremely difficult job

 

[Robin]

I think most people here understand the frustrations you police officers must feel at times. Its a two way street fellows.
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Definitely makes me less likely to risk my ass for legitimate domestic violence victims now that I know “patriots” will be attacking us as we work them. That’s what I learned here.

Good. You shouldn’t be jeopardizing your safety for hearsay. The system is jacked. Domestic violence should be treated just like any other assault to any other person. If someone was legitimately assaulted, they should be dealt with just the same whether it’s a wife, girlfriend, or any man or woman on the street.

Generally, one doesn’t get their guns confiscated when a complaint is filed against them with no proof of an actual assault occurring. Tangible evidence is required. And if tangible evidence is presented and the person is actually arrested and thrown in jail, then their guns are confiscated as it should be since the person has no rights if incarcerated.

The way it is now, your wife can get your guns confiscated for a simple argument just by getting a Temporary Restraining Order with you serving no jail time whatsoever because no proof of an actual crime was presented to lock you up.

So quit crying the blues. I don’t care about the “one life is saved” argument so that guns can be confiscated. The end doesn’t justify the means.

 

[GOPerfect]

Its no doubt, an extremely difficult job

It is more about people that suck then it is difficult.

 

[speedkills27]

It is more about people that suck then it is difficult.

isnt dealing with people 80% of the job? Maybe its time to consider a new avenue of employment

 

[GOPerfect]

isnt dealing with people 80% of the job? Maybe its time to consider a new avenue of employment

I'll never leave this Cash cow job, at least not until I retire.

Yes, accurate percentage I would guess.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The 1pm Press Conference by the Putnam County Police has been cancelled. Their Facebook page has also been removed.

 

[Airborneguy]

Im sorry you feel that way and I can understand your frustration, however maybe your frustration should be with the lawmakers of this state who take and take and take. In my lifetime all its ever been is higher taxes and less personal freedom, especially when it comes to the second amendment. It seems like the reaction by the 2A crowd in this instance was premature but none the less some people are sick of being treated as a cash cow whos voice doesn't matter. Politicians make shitty policy and look to the police to enforce it. When you have unfavorable laws, laws that have less then 20% compliance, dont be surprised by backlash from the subjects when those laws are enforced.

One would think that’s where the “patriot’s” attention would be directed as well...

 

[Marine Cpl]

One would think that’s where the “patriot’s” attention would be directed as well...

So are the police free from honoring their oaths because politicians passed laws? It is my understanding that the Oath was required to prevent situations like this.

I know you won’t get this because you have me on ignore for whipping you in Internet arguments but at least others can read it and see what a tool you are for using arguments like “if it saves one life” or “look at the politicians and not us.”

 

[GOPerfect]

So are the police free from honoring their oaths because politicians passed laws? It is my understanding that the Oath was required to prevent situations like this.

I know you won’t get this because you have me on ignore for whipping you in Internet arguments but at least others can read it and see what a tool you are for using arguments like “if it saves one life” or “look at the politicians and not us.”

What part of the Oath was broken in this "standoff". He violated an order of protection. He committed burglary as well as other crimes.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What part of the Oath was broken in this "standoff". He violated an order of protection. He committed burglary as well as other crimes.

So they say. Not sure about that yet. There is too much wishy wash on that subject. First it was reports of shots fired then it was a warrant being served. We don’t know that yet.

But if his firearms were confiscated as a free man for a previous DV that resulted in no jail time or a red flag order due to his posts which was the original statement, then that breaks the oath. It also goes for any red flag order or Domestic Violence incident that results in no incarceration for an actual crime committed. IE tried and sentences with jail time for Criminal Assault for DV.

 

[GOPerfect]

This entire conversation began talking about him holding up in his home... No oath broken in that instance

 

[kev74]

What part of the Oath was broken in this "standoff". He violated an order of protection. He committed burglary as well as other crimes.

He was accused of violating an order of protection and accused of committing burglary and accused of other crimes...maybe. We don't really know yet since so much contradictory information has been passed off as fact.

Regardless of what this individual did or didn't do, this episode illustrates that we have a legal system that is susceptible to abuse and a significant part of the population who is upset enough to take action.

I don't see a solution that doesn't get messy.

 

[GOPerfect]

He was accused of violating an order of protection and accused of committing burglary and accused of other crimes...maybe. We don't really know yet since so much contradictory information has been passed off as fact.

Regardless of what this individual did or didn't do, this episode illustrates that we have a legal system that is susceptible to abuse and a significant part of the population who is upset enough to take action.

I don't see a solution that doesn't get messy.

I will agree that the legal system is completely off the rails.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This entire conversation began talking about him holding up in his home... No oath broken in that instance

Are you sure about that? Because I kind of remember someone saying that they weren’t going to put their ass on the line when it involves a DV.

 

[GOPerfect]

Are you sure about that? Because I kind of remember someone saying that they weren’t going to put their ass on the line when it involves a DV.

Two different things...

What happened here and what a member said are two different things.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

He was accused of violating an order of protection and accused of committing burglary and accused of other crimes...maybe. We don't really know yet since so much contradictory information has been passed off as fact.

Regardless of what this individual did or didn't do, this episode illustrates that we have a legal system that is susceptible to abuse and a significant part of the population who is upset enough to take action.

I don't see a solution that doesn't get messy.

More than anything I think this one small event should be used as a case study by others to see how much tension there is in our country.

Every day the left is on display with their nonsense.

This time it was the right side that got all worked up. (Perhaps justified, perhaps not).

The right is arguably justified that we do constantly have our rights eroded. Out own governor publicly even said we aren't welcome here. We have politicians on the national level boasting that hell yes they're coming for our guns. We have a system in NY where you have to spend hours and hundreds of dollars and perhaps wait a year to be able to shoot a pistol for crying out loud. We have the safe act abomination. As bad as all that is and all the hoops we jump through to try and comply, it can all be taken away by a mere lie or slander against us and we're guilty first and have to prove our innocence and hope our guns aren't destroyed first.

There is a lot of anger and frustration in this country on all political sides. The 2020 election cycle will be interesting.

I think looking at demographic trends and projections, I predict we will have significant civil unrest by 2024.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Two different things...

What happened here and what a member said are two different things.

Well I responded to the member whether he chooses to hear me or not.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I'm confused by one thing. Is it correct that he barricaded himself in and popped a bottle of whiskey?

Wouldn't be my first beverage of choice in a situation like that.

 

[E the massive]

I'm confused by one thing. Is it correct that he barricaded himself in and popped a bottle of whiskey?

Wouldn't be my first beverage of choice in a situation like that.

Right!! Standoffs call for Tequila.

 

[GOPerfect]

I wanna throw up one more thing...

If all of this was caused due his levels of PTSD, it shows one more Vet that the VA has failed.

I am all about personal responsibility, I live for and I preach it, if he was seriously touched due to his situation, the VA should have assisted him better.

I know a fair amount about PTSD, I know many that are afflicted by this condition, it is not about just dealing with it.

I, like thousands of others, fight the battle every day.

I'd this guy is using this as an excuse for his actions and his behavior, I say fuck him.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well he never once claimed that PTSD guided his actions. His claims were that his Blue Falcon told the cops that he had a Pmag and PTSD and that he planned to shoot it out with the cops. That’s all he said.

The cops on the other hand tell his neighbor to go into her basement because there was a potential suicide that may take place. Then they reported that a shot was fired in his house even though he had no guns and that was the reason for their response. Then they say that he had mental issues and that’s the reason for the response. Then after getting him, they say that he was a domestic abuser who violated a court order.

His account was consistent with no signs or claims of mental illness. The wishy washy police accounts on the other hand... Either straight up lies or mental illness.

 

[GOPerfect]

Well he never once claimed that PTSD guided his actions. His claims were that his Blue Falcon told the cops that he had a Pmag and PTSD and that he planned to shoot it out with the cops. That’s all he said.

The cops on the other hand tell his neighbor to go into her basement because there was a potential suicide that may take place. Then they reported that a shot was fired in his house even though he had no guns and that was the reason for their response. Then they say that he had mental issues and that’s the reason for the response. Then after getting him, they say that he was a domestic abuser who violated a court order.

His account was consistent with no signs or claims of mental illness. The wishy washy police accounts on the other hand... Either straight up lies or mental illness.

I don't care what was or wasn't said by either person.

My general statement was if he is diagnosed and getting disability; and if his actions were due to some of his wartime demons, the VA should be doing a better job of taking care of people.

 

[GOPerfect]

Well he never once claimed that PTSD guided his actions. His claims were that his Blue Falcon told the cops that he had a Pmag and PTSD and that he planned to shoot it out with the cops. That’s all he said.

The cops on the other hand tell his neighbor to go into her basement because there was a potential suicide that may take place. Then they reported that a shot was fired in his house even though he had no guns and that was the reason for their response. Then they say that he had mental issues and that’s the reason for the response. Then after getting him, they say that he was a domestic abuser who violated a court order.

His account was consistent with no signs or claims of mental illness. The wishy washy police accounts on the other hand... Either straight up lies or mental illness.

I will agree though, the police department should have put a few prices of this puzzle together prior to making a bunch of random statements.

 

[GOYABEAN]

I don't care what was or wasn't said by either person.

My general statement was if he is diagnosed and getting disability; and if his actions were due to some of his wartime demons, the VA should be doing a better job of taking care of people.

And with more of these laws and policies that and his cohorts pass every other month or so the Men and Women who are truly suffering from PTSD will just not seek treatment or discuss it with family members because of the shit storm it opens !

 

[GOPerfect]

And with more of these laws and policies that and his cohorts pass every other month or so the Men and Women who are truly suffering from PTSD will just not seek treatment or discuss it with family members because of the shit storm it opens !

Truth! I love it.

I wish I could like this more than once.

This is so very true. Shame

 

[E the massive]

And with more of these laws and policies that and his cohorts pass every other month or so the Men and Women who are truly suffering from PTSD will just not seek treatment or discuss it with family members because of the shit storm it opens !

Better off being a junky.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Better off being a junky.

Apparently yes one of the reasons I left land was because I'm not a spring chicken anymore I figured what ever time I have left I wanted to at least enjoy it feeling like a free human being something I should have not waited for so long ! But PA is starting to get just like the prison I left Philly is opening up ejection site's for druggies WTF the establishment is as corrupt as land

 

[speedkills27]

Better off being a junky.

thats a very sad thought

 

[MothMan]

This kid. This kid. We’re not talking about anyone else.

Would you have liked to have seen the “revolution” start last night based on this kid?

That’s my point.

Right!! Standoffs call for Tequila.

Specially if it is a