Posing in Monsey with High cap mags and non compliant guns

[Bustedknees]

Busted knees:

• Could you (or anyone else) help me better understand your point with the Neil Diamond comment?

• Orthodox Jewish culture is a world in of itself. I’m not very up to date on American Pop Cultural references. (I looked up the name, he’s a singer, I got that)

well damn , I have no idea where to begin.. I can only assume you're way too young to understand my attempt at sarcasm or have never watched any / many movies in your lifetime ? I'll simply say that half of what I know ( almost nothing ) about Jewish culture came from a movie called The Jazz Singer.. Its based on Neill Diamonds life and struggle between his Jewish culture while becoming a American star through music..
If you've never sang "Sweet Caroline " drunk in a bar you've missed an American tradition and we might have to bring Communism into the discussion

 

[Robin]

Yes, and yes.
Robin

 

[Day444]

And this right there is another problem I have.

Could have ended you statement right there!
Many religions favor having large families not just the Jewish. Irish Catholics are know to have large families for intense, as per the teachings of the church.
These women are married, maybe not licensed by the state, but married in the eyes of their religion. (Why does one need a licence to be married, is there no other reason other than for a tax? While infringing on one's right to Life, Liberty and the Per-suite of Happiness?)
Do they apply for social benefits more so than any other ethnic group? I don't know the answer first hand, but I've seen more "immigrants" collecting these bennies than another group of people.
Do the Jewish buy a large amount of homes surrounding a preexisting area of there own? Seems to be the case. But could you or others not do the same? What's the difference of a developer buying a large area of what was once farm lands, and putting up Condo's or Town Houses?
There is no need for the Jewish to spread out and to assimilate into the non-Jewish areas. They live among their own, just like many other groups of people. (Black, White, Hispanic, people from other countries do the same and then to sick with one another.)
Bloomingburg had been slowly decaying and reaching for a slow death for years. Never looked that any help or aid was on it's way. So a developer bought it up, is going to put up housing, isn't this a better solution to boarded up homes and businesses? Many businesses have moved into the village. Yes, most cater to the Jewish Clientele. (You don't go to a farm stand to buy meat. As one old timer use to tell me. I understand the inference.)
Collectively there is a need to work with others for the benefit of all, ie in this case our Second Amendment rights.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Could have ended you statement right there!
Many religions favor having large families not just the Jewish. Irish Catholics are know to have large families for intense, as per the teachings of the church.

This isn’t a religious issue. It’s a Hasidic issue. Plenty of Jewish people that have integrated into society don’t go around having 8 kids per family. My wife’s sister only had one kid. Everyone in her family has 3 kids max. And yes. They are Jewish.

These women are married, maybe not licensed by the state, but married in the eyes of their religion. (Why does one need a licence to be married, is there no other reason other than for a tax?

They abuse the system. Every mother even though married is considered a single mother and entitled to welfare benefits even though the husband makes a living. I saw this while working in a hospital. They all had Medicaid. I also see this at Walmart when they pull out their EBT card. The woman exhausts the EBT card and the man then pays the balance of the other 200 dollars worth of items in the cart

Do they apply for social benefits more so than any other ethnic group?

Don’t know. But it’s a significant abuse. Many of their husbands make good livings yet the wife collects welfare.

 

[ExMember_4526]

This isn’t a religious issue. It’s a Hasidic issue. Plenty of Jewish people that have integrated into society don’t go around having 8 kids per family. My wife’s sister only had one kid. Everyone in her family has 3 kids max. And yes. They are Jewish.

They abuse the system. Every mother even though married is considered a single mother and entitled to welfare benefits even though the husband makes a living. I saw this while working in a hospital. They all had Medicaid. I also see this at Walmart when they pull out their EBT card. The woman exhausts the EBT card and the man then pays the balance of the other 200 dollars worth of items in the cart


Don’t know. But it’s a significant abuse. Many of their husbands make good livings yet the wife collects welfare.

Will,

Could we continue this aspect of the discussion on a different platform?

My reasoning is that I feel this discussion is detracting from the potential of where this thread can go.

PM and I’ll provide you with a way of getting into direct contact with me and we could have a civil discussion.

While some of your points are certainly valid, others are in my opinion misguided and come from a place of ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge).

The latter part of what I just said is specifically related to your comments about averages as it relates to Orthodox Jewish family size & why we limit our interactions with the host society around us to a point

I believe that if we have that discussion, you’ll have a much better understanding & your current perspective will experience a shift.

Regarding the valid criticisms as it relates to how certain communities exploit inefficient/bureaucratic government programs, I believe that my previous posts already acknowledged the validity of your criticisms (I think that horse is very dead after being beaten so bad).

All of us are limited regarding time and I cannot make the same mistakes I made yesterday (happy wife, happy life).

Once with my family, I cannot be busy with my phone, responding to this exchange, and now I’m busy with my work day.

I would like to reorient this thread to a discussion of what proactive measures might be taken with regards to our gun rights.

This is a firearms forum after all and I think this thread has become so Jewish that you guys better look in the mirror, I think some of you might be growing Peyos (Jew side curls).

 

[ExMember_4526]

It should go without saying that I don’t mean to offend anyone and hope my posts so far added clarity and didn’t come off as any sort of attack.

 

[Brian Colt]

I don’t get the reference. I come from a different world. Those of you from Rockland could elaborate on what I mean about this.

Neil Diamond played "The Jazz Singer" in a movie about a 1920s Jewish (Orthodox? I don't know). Movie was in the 70s?
I would like to add that I live in Rockland, probably 1.5 miles from the attack, took my NRA reloading class from an obsevant person not far from my home. We get along very well with our neighbors, still can't wait to get out of NY, and hope that wherever we end up can find similar friends. We all know there are some disrupters in every group of people, and when they appear to others to be " in uniform" the whole group gets stigmatized. As firearm enthusiasts WE need to hang together ....or hang separately


Edit The Jazz Singer was about Al Jolson.

 

[Brian Colt]

Oh, for you Rockland Residents, I believe that petition to remove the Sportsman Restriction comes from my community! Sign it. Also, support Firearms Policy Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition! Watch Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics. Very quality content! And listen to the Primary & Secondary modcasts!

Signed

 

[Edwardteach72]

What the fuck happened here.


Also wht the fuck was Aaron Cowen and Primary and Secondary brought up (TLDR)

 

[Acer-m14]

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ok .. why the hell is it unloaded LOL ..

 

[ExMember_4526]

Crap, I did the above wrong. I meant to reference Brian’s post and then post this:




• Yes, this is exactly the main point I wanted to drive home. Whatever issues we might disagree on regarding other aspects of life, when it comes to firearms, as firearms owners, we need to unite as a “solid block”, become very aggressively pro active on a local level, in order to fight these horrific infringements!

• In other words we need to be “one issue” voters! Defense of life is one of the most basic elements of existence! (For elaboration on this topic, kindly take a walk in the woods and observe the animal life).

• Other topics related to our existence are dependent on our existing! In other words the other Amendments are dependent on the 2nd! Or to be blunt: the other interests in your life are dependent on you being alive!

• The above point is something most people in the world would agree on! The problem is how individuals and institutions with a certain agenda (statists, people who wish to harm others, criminal elements, etc) present deliberately misleading information, in order to perpetuate a false narrative, for their own unethical (in my opinion) motives.

• Firearms, as small arms (weapons systems), are currently (based on technological development in 2020) some of the most practical/effective tools for defensive of life, liberty & property!

• Politicians, for the most part, don’t care about you or your rights! They are politicians, and want power! That’s why they go into politics! If they really cared about you and were these selfless individuals, they would volunteer to come to your house and help you with whatever!

• The revolution to “take back the Republic” is not happening tomorrow! To wage such an effort, you need:

- The support base
- Financial base
- Trained/equipped manpower
- Logistical solutions in place
- Supply chain
- Leadership
- Defined goals
- Established rules of engagement
- Have the ethical fortitude to engage in all the unpleasant things that a civil conflict entails

• For elaboration on the above, speak to any combat vet who served in any military force, fighting an insurgency (or speak to former insurgents themselves).

• The Point of the above is that the “Come & Take it” thing is a myth/fantasy that needs to die!

• Eventually, they will just ban firearms (your property), and if you are caught with your property (which is now illegal by state fiat), you will be a felon, and the people around you will think: “such a shame, he was a nice guy”. And you will be socially/financially &@$?:!

• If we actually want to proactively challenge these infringements, we need to take lessons from what some of this thread touched on:

• we need to organize as a powerful block and get very involved in the local political scene and be a show of political force.

We need to send the message to the local politicians that it’s not politically expedient for them to mess with our gun rights and that if they really want the political power they seek, they better change things fast!

Example:

• Local political event about gun policy with some politicians.

• 20 Moms Demand Action soccer moms show up with their stupid T Shirts and signs.

• 500 relatively local gun owners show up in force and say: Look at the cross spectrum of people we embody. Not just some “upstate red necks”. People from all different communities. 500 votes are in this room and another 1,000 votes are outside and around. Don’t mess with the 2nd Amendment. Change these policies fast or we’ll vote someone in power who will!

• There’s other measures that can be taken, that can be very, very effective! I have spoken about this to Gun Rights Activists in other states, and they told me what has been done that has a proven track record on a local level!

• I will go more into this later. Suffice to say: the more people we have from different communities the better! The more people involved the better!

For instance: having a “shyster, evil, scum of the earth, locust” Orthodox Jew like myself on board, could be something beneficial for everyone!

Let’s selfishly (at least) put identity politics aside, and cooperate as collective gun owners, and actually address the reality on the ground on a local level!

 

[ExMember_4526]

What the fuck happened here.


Also wht the fuck was Aaron Cowen and Primary and Secondary brought up (TLDR)

• Could you elaborate on the happenings you are referring to?

• I referenced Aaron Cowan of SageDynamics and the Primary & Secondary mod-cast, because they are both generally sources of well vetted, reliable information concerning firearms related topics.

• Not the usual “derp” you find on many forums and media!

• The more Gun owners who have gained reliable, properly vetted, information, the better!

 

[ExMember_4526]

ok .. why the hell is it unloaded LOL ..

• I intentionally left it unloaded in that video to make it clear that my attempt at establishing compliance was not done via the fixed mag approach!

• I went the Non NFA “Other” approach with that one.

• Yes, I am aware of the risks and it was a calculated decision.

• If anybody is interested:

- Centurion Arms CM4 12.5” barrel, carbine gas system
- Centurion Arms CM4 LWG w/ BCM Gun Fighter Mod 3 grip
- SBA4 5 position brace
- Magpul RVG VFG
- Magpul MBUS Pro BUIS
- Aimpoint PRO

On the way:

- Modlite OKW 18650

 

[BDinPutnam]

What the fuck happened here?

I believe the record for uninterrupted, single sentence posts by a single user got blown out of the water.

Other than that, not much.

 

[Bustedknees]

Saw a group of the NYC Jewish leaders at Cuomos State Of The Union address concerning recent events , sadly they stood with Cuomo on his 1.5 hour rant..

 

[ExMember_4526]

I believe the record for uninterrupted, single sentence posts by a single user got blown out of the water.

Other than that, not much.

• Almost uninterrupted

• My posts in fact contained the usage of multiple sentences.

• “...the record for... got blown out of the water”: I strive to achieve!

 

[GOPerfect]

This thread has turned full stupid.

Seems like one person is trying to convince himself of something.

Just put this thread on ignore.

 

[ExMember_4526]

This thread has turned full stupid.

Seems like one person is trying to convince himself of something.

Just put this thread on ignore.

• I didn’t mean to offend you

•I think I have been quite transparent throughout each stage of development within this thread that I was trying to turn a discussion about Orthodox Jews to a productive conversation about how different communities can cooperate to further gun rights, is that now evident from my posts above?

• I apologize if I gave you the impression that I had any other objective

• I am certainly open to constructive criticism as how I can better communicate on this forum. My apologies!

 

[ExMember_4526]

Forgive grammar mistakes, on the go and auto correct is annoying.

 

[ExMember_4526]

If no one is interested in having that conversation, then I’ll gladly stop posting. That is in fact my only objective. To see how gun owners can be more proactive, like in other states.

 

[GOPerfect]

Nothing offends me. Nothing.

This thread has turned stupid, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[GOPerfect]

And, not to mention, you come off as kind of a creeper.

You know, wire rimmed glasses and wearing a members only jacket kind of creeper

 

[ExMember_4526]

Then I’ll stop posting here. My apologies. Was only trying to be productive and proactive.

 

[ExMember_4526]

And, not to mention, you come off as kind of a creeper.

You know, wire rimmed glasses and wearing a members only jacket kind of creeper

My friend, I’m trying to be as polite and civil as possible. You have now descended to the level of personal insults. Others on this thread have noted that my posts have been both articulate & insightful. I was trying to shift a conversation about a specific community to gun rights. Why is that bad? Other people here please help me understand what is wrong with that? Being that was my only objective, and it appears to have failed, I will gladly stop posting. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[GOPerfect]

My friend, I’m trying to be as polite and civil as possible. You have now descended to the level of personal insults. Others on this thread have noted that my posts have been both articulate & insightful. I was trying to shift a conversation about a specific community to gun rights. Why is that bad? Other people here please help me understand what is wrong with that? Being that was my only objective, and it appears to have failed, I will gladly stop posting. Sorry for the inconvenience.

That was not a personal insult. It was a description of what I see.

You creeped through this forum, going back over the years and quoted, out of context, a couple of long standing members for what.

You are not happy with the opinions of a couple people and you called them out in order to push your narrative.

Whatever, you continue doing what ever it is you are trying to do. I just want no part of this creepy type of conversation.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@BoruchYaakov

This particular thread has turned into a soup sandwich. The original point was about a group of people using noncompliant rifles for defense of personal property which later was revealed to be compliant rifles.

Afterwards it somehow turned into a thread about religion and other topics that are unrelated to the original post.

Perhaps if you want to talk about one particular topic, a new thread should be created because a new reader will leave this thread after the 3rd page due to this thread going in multiple directions. As it is now, the topics are about compliance, orthodox not being hasidics, the legalities of an other firearm, how one group of people doesn’t conform to society and want to integrate into it while maintaining their beliefs, real estate, and many more topics.

 

[ExMember_4526]

That was not a personal insult. It was a description of what I see.

You creeped through this forum, going back over the years and quoted, out of context, a couple of long standing members for what.

You are not happy with the opinions of a couple people and you called them out in order to push your narrative.

Whatever, you continue doing what ever it is you are trying to do. I just want no part of this creepy type of conversation.

• There have been a number of threads bashing a certain group of people

• I responded to specific opinions with my opinion

• I then tried to shift the conversation to what I feel is a far more important topic: gun rights.

• I literally had no other intention and clearly have been polite and receptive to what others have to say, why is that “creepy”?

• Rather then respond to various threads at once, I consolidated it here for efficiency.

• Gopercect, I have a question for you, how can NY Gun Owners better advance gun rights? That’s the kind of conversation I’m interested in. We cool?

 

[ExMember_4526]

@BoruchYaakov

This particular thread has turned into a soup sandwich. The original point was about a group of people using noncompliant rifles for defense of personal property which later was revealed to be compliant rifles.

Afterwards it somehow turned into a thread about religion and other topics that are unrelated to the original post.

Perhaps if you want to talk about one particular topic, a new thread should be created because a new reader will leave this thread after the 3rd page due to this thread going in multiple directions. As it is now, the topics are about compliance, orthodox not being hasidics, the legalities of an other firearm, how one group of people doesn’t conform to society and want to integrate into it while maintaining their beliefs, real estate, and many more topics.

ha, well it’s the internet!

can someone please start a forum on how we can better advance gun rights in this state in a proactive manner? I’m actually interested in listening!

 

[GOPerfect]

• There have been a number of threads bashing a certain group of people

• I responded to specific opinions with my opinion

• I then tried to shift the conversation to what I feel is a far more important topic: gun rights.

• I literally had no other intention and clearly have been polite and receptive to what others have to say, why is that “creepy”?

• Rather then respond to various threads at once, I consolidated it here for efficiency.

• Gopercect, I have a question for you, how can NY Gun Owners better advance gun rights? That’s the kind of conversation I’m interested in. We cool?

On this forum, we insult all people all the time.

 

[Marine Cpl]

How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

At the request of @BoruchYaakov , here is a thread asking the question... How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

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