"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)

[subsonic]

I am waffling between the ever popular "register nothing" plan, and the "get an 07 FFL then stamp the whole plumbing aisle". Wonder what they would say if I registered 1000 "80% receivers".

Register nothing. If you register 1000 "80% receivers" they just count you towards the success of this program. They don't know a

This Active bill you posted in the first post of this thread absolutely does not "require serialization and registration of unfinished firearm frames or receivers." It clearly states that possession of such unfinished frames or receiver would become a felony under the bill:



You can't register an unfinished frame or receiver to stay clear of this law, because mere possession of one would be a felony as soon as you have it.

The press release obviously has no force of law, but it absolutely does signal what Andy is shooting for. He certainly reads press releases like this before they go out, because he's a micro-managing moron.

However, to say that the "preamble has no legal force (although it could be referred to in interpreting the law's purpose)." is really to say that it does have the force of law, depending upon how a cop, DA, or judge interprets it.

This is the reason a bill has a Purpose laid out, so that citizens, cops, DAs, and judges know the point of the law before they start deciding the scope of it. I wouldn't bet a freaking donut that any of this bill would be ignored when NY wants to make an example of a brand new, 80% possessing NYer who hasn't even built an actual gun out of the damn thing is swinging in the dock.

You can't register an 80% NOW in NY, because its not yet a firearm, gun, or weapon. And you won't be able to register one if this bill passes either, because it will be a felony to even have it, let alone use tools on it.

I don’t want to get into the weeds about how to comply, I don’t want people to comply. There’s a “grace” period of something like six months in this law to get unserialized shit serialized and afterward REGISTERED. I think registration would continue afterward for unserialized firearms to be brought into the state, also it exempts licenses gunsmiths but requires them to serialize and register “unfinished firearm frames and receivers” . At what point in manufacture, who knows. Certainly not the bill’s authors. Possession of 80%s by normal people would be illegal, and you couldn’t legally build any gun much less an 80%.

Register nothing.

 

[Robin]

Yah, dem Boyz in da hood got a reglur sembly line cook'n! Effing asshole.
Robin

 

[spat]

Here's another question.

What if I have a firearm I built from an 80% in my possession right now.

I can stamp any serial number I feel like, etc on it today if I want to and tell nobody and it would be perfectly legal.

What about that rifle if this passes ?

It's not unserialized.

There is no requirement to get any other rifle "registered", so what about this one ?

 

[kev74]

Here's another question.

What if I have a firearm I built from an 80% in my possession right now.

I can stamp any serial number I feel like, etc on it today if I want to and tell nobody and it would be perfectly legal.

What about that rifle if this passes ?

It's not unserialized.

There is no requirement to get any other rifle "registered", so what about this one ?

Serial # CUOMO'S-AN-ASSHOLE-001 is already taken. Just sayin'.

 

[96coal449]

Serial # CUOMO'S-AN-ASSHOLE-001 is already taken. Just sayin'.

So Is #s FUAC 0001 - my entire growing collection.
I'm having them all rebranded.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

My question is how do we stop this now. Fuac dumbfuck ser001# is great(And I will be happy to do that) but how do we not get to that. I started stocking up but if they outlaw 80% lowers to have in your possession that's a problem.

 

[FrankenCub]

Lmao this is NY you dont stop it. The SCOTUS isn't going to take on a significant 2A case to fight it.

 

[togmaster]

Or at least do a road trip or two!!

Is that an invitation?

 

[dsdmmat]

Here's another question.

What if I have a firearm I built from an 80% in my possession right now.

I can stamp any serial number I feel like, etc on it today if I want to and tell nobody and it would be perfectly legal.

What about that rifle if this passes ?

It's not unserialized.

There is no requirement to get any other rifle "registered", so what about this one ?

I recommend putting a serial numbers on everything you make. That way if they are ever stolen you can identify them. If it has a serial number on it then this law ( if it becomes one) would not apply.

 

[dsdmmat]

My question is how do we stop this now. Fuac dumbfuck ser001# is great(And I will be happy to do that) but how do we not get to that. I started stocking up but if they outlaw 80% lowers to have in your possession that's a problem.

so Turn them into 100% receivers and stamp a serial number on them. Problem solved.

 

[Acer-m14]

use this and write like a doctor ,.. actually using this u will write like one .. LOL .

 

[spat]

so Turn them into 100% receivers and stamp a serial number on them. Problem solved.

According to the ATF, as soon as you mark the places to drill the holes for the pins then it's a gun.

You could do that to 100 of them in an hour.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[dsdmmat]

Made sticky, let’s keep an eye on this one.

 

[pjzwtl]

All I know is RBG better take her dirt nap soon cuz I have no faith In Roberts.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I'm sure it's going to ignored by gun owners in large, but many of us do not know people in other states. I have no one out of state to help me out and I guarantee I'm not alone.

Well, now that I am living in NC, I guess that when I plan another trip up north, I may just have to schedule it around a forum related event, and get to meet some of you fuckers with whom I share my 2A thoughts and beliefs.

And I would also encourage any of you who can get out, to consider moving to NC.

 

[Cooolone]

All I'll say is a reminder that any law requires the voluntary compliance by the citizenry!

As with NY Safe exhibited, they can write whatever they want on paper, it doesn't matter if those effected, chose to ignore a laws mandate.

Up until the law indicates "INVOLUNTARY" compliance by the State initiating property seizure and forced incarceration for citizens disobeying the law, there really isn't anything to sweat over IMO. They aren't coming kicking in your door any time soon! Just be smart about leaving footprint's! Lol

 

[skywarner]

Well, now that I am living in NC, I guess that when I plan another trip up north, I may just have to schedule it around a forum related event, and get to meet some of you fuckers with whom I share my 2A thoughts and beliefs.

And I would also encourage any of you who can get out, to consider moving to NC.

Interested in moving to NC or SC. Serious question: how are us Pro-2A NY’ers viewed down there in Free America?

Also, any suggestions on preferred relocation areas?

 

[96coal449]

Interested in moving to NC or SC. Serious question: how are us Pro-2A NY’ers viewed down there in Free America?

Also, any suggestions on preferred relocation areas?

At this point, conservatives will be welcomed anywhere. As long as they know your beliefs in the constitution.
I have already been welcomed to KY. That is probably where I am headed. I've Had enough here.
No longer any family here as well....besides my sister. Unfortunately she's been sucked into the system for the majority of her life. Lost cause,,,,,,

 

[meketrefe]

Does one have to register 0% lowers like this example here?...












.

 

[kev74]

Does one have to register 0% lowers like this example here?...












.

I'm tempted to machine a lower out of some plywood glued into a block. I'd love to see them try and make people serial number and register lumber.

 

[meketrefe]

I'm tempted to machine a lower out of some plywood glued into a block. I'd love to see them try and make people serial number and register lumber.

.. register your shovels too since they are flats for AK builds. Lol
The home depot is an arsenal !!!
Client: Can you run me through the NCIS for this.mitter saw?
This whole thing is so stupid that migjt make the guiness book of stupid useless legislation.
Instead of working with the citizens tofind out things that actually make things better and safer for everyone they make this BS that makes no difference at all other than getting people confused and wasting tax dollars.

 

[skywarner]

At this point, conservatives will be welcomed anywhere. As long as they know your beliefs in the constitution.
I have already been welcomed to KY. That is probably where I am headed. I've Had enough here.
No longer any family here as well....besides my sister. Unfortunately she's been sucked into the system for the majority of her life. Lost cause,,,,,,

OK, thanks!

I think my “Don’t step on snek” flag will help to communicate my unwavering commitment to the Constitution, too.

 

[Jaywmustang]

how Long before this bs passes?

 

[pjzwtl]

nstead of working with the citizens tofind out things that actually make things better and safer for everyone they make this BS that makes no difference at all other than getting people confused and wasting tax dollars.

. That’s because statist who conceive this crap don’t think of us as citizens to them were subject’s

 

[kev74]

Maybe it won't make any difference. After all, the fast food places are still giving out plastic knives and monkeyface banned those.

 

[meketrefe]

Maybe it won't make any difference. After all, the fast food places are still giving out plastic knives and monkeyface banned those.

Of course it wont make a darn difference.
Do you think this will stop a thug or lunatic from making a gun to use in a crime? Those thugs do not even have the brain and/or patience to fabricate anything and buy it off the street illegally or stolen.
So more laws that do nothing and cannot be enforced.
How is the SAFE pistol permit renewal registry going? Ask your county clerk. What a joke.

 

[carpediem]

Of course it wont make a darn difference.
Do you think this will stop a thug or lunatic from making a gun to use in a crime? Those thugs do not even have the brain and/or patience to fabricate anything and buy it off the street illegally or stolen.
So more laws that do nothing and cannot be enforced.
How is the SAFE pistol permit renewal registry going? Ask your county clerk. What a joke.

Everything Monkeyface has done, is doing or will do is a damned joke on the people of the state who support his illegitimate ass. He will ride triumphantly into a 4th term on the backs of people with a collective IQ of 30........

 

[kev74]

Of course it wont make a darn difference.
Do you think this will stop a thug or lunatic from making a gun to use in a crime? Those thugs do not even have the brain and/or patience to fabricate anything and buy it off the street illegally or stolen.
So more laws that do nothing and cannot be enforced.
How is the SAFE pistol permit renewal registry going? Ask your county clerk. What a joke.

I was being sarcastic. I don't expect this bill to do anything except make more of us criminals.

 

[spat]

Of course it wont make a darn difference.
Do you think this will stop a thug or lunatic from making a gun to use in a crime? Those thugs do not even have the brain and/or patience to fabricate anything and buy it off the street illegally or stolen.
So more laws that do nothing and cannot be enforced.
How is the SAFE pistol permit renewal registry going? Ask your county clerk. What a joke.

Actually, things will get worse.

Bombs are much easier to make than guns.

They also cause more carnage more indiscriminately.

I'd much rather face a mass shooter than a bomber.

At least with a shooter, after the first victim everyone knows what's going on and can run for cover/shoot back/etc.

With a bomb, everyone's dead at once.