A DUI in Pennsylvania could cost you your Second Amendment rights

[Darth]

It's weird. People on this forum are starting to just now be where I was at when I started on the old forum.

I saw the dangers of the NRA. I saw the dangers of "even when they get out, they shouldn't have their guns back."

You guys do get there eventually. :')

 

[Darth]

Of course you'd say it's not that big of a deal because you've done it already and will hang to your confirmation bias forever.

I've not only never had a DWI, I've never drove drunk. And I don't drink at all anymore (1 year as of yesterday .) And I still agree with Will.

So which bias is mine?

 

[Bigfoot]

Drunk drivers deserve whatever they get and some putting everyone else in immediate danger on the road way. It's actually fucking disgusting to see how many people on this very forum have emitted to having DUI's and asking about their gun rights for pistol permits. Well, Fuck em! I don't care if they do or do not have gun rights anymore.

I do believe people that drive high or drunk are just as irresponsible mentally as any psychotic mentally ill person. Driving around a 4500lb+ block of steel drunk or high around countless people is and has shown to be far more dangerous than any firearms related crime. 95% of people that think they're fantastic drivers don't realize how shitty of a driver they really are anyways, let alone driving drunk or high. Fuck em all!

I'd very likely lose my 2A rights after dealing with a drunk driver too if they haven't already killed me, just sayin'. I really don't give a shit about these people and their lives.

I like your post.

My sister was killed by a drunk driver. He crossed the center line and hit her car head on.
That's all I am going to say about this. It is a very bad subject for me to get into.

 

[Darth]

Your logical fallacy is appeal to emotion

You attempted to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

[Marine Cpl]

I like your post.

My sister was killed by a drunk driver. He crossed the center line and hit her car head on.
That's all I am going to say about this. It is a very bad subject for me to get into.

You are being biased. So if they took away his right to speech would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with the government quartering soldiers in his home?

 

[Uzi]

I've not only never had a DWI, I've never drove drunk. And I don't drink at all anymore (1 year as of yesterday .) And I still agree with Will.

So which bias is mine?

What exactly do you agree with him on?

 

[Darth]

What exactly do you agree with him on?

All your rights should be restored when you are a free individual again.

If you can't be trusted with all your rights, you should not be in free society.

 

[Uzi]

All your rights should be restored when you are a free individual again.

If you can't be trusted with all your rights, you should not be in free society.

Sure enough, Doesn't have to do with anything I've mentioned though, but it's nice to know you agree with him. I've never brought up any specifics other than careless drunk drivers that end up killing people are not people I give a shit about.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Sure enough, Doesn't have to do with anything I've mentioned though, but it's nice to know you agree with him. I've never brought up any specifics other than careless drunk drivers that end up killing people are not people I give a shit about.

I don’t give a shit about a lot of people. That doesn’t mean that they should have their rights violated. How can you not see this?

 

[Uzi]

I don’t give a shit about a lot of people. That doesn’t mean that they should have their rights violated. How can you not see this?

Threaten my life, mangle me, kill my wife, brother or sister, while you're hammered driving and I have no obligation to give a shit about your fucking rights. Does't matter what I think either way.

 

[GOPerfect]

You are being biased. So if they took away his right to speech would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with the government quartering soldiers in his home?

I am one of the most bias people that I know.

I see much of life through my many bias.

 

[GOPerfect]

You are being biased. So if they took away his right to speech would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with the government quartering soldiers in his home?

Someone killed my sister? I would be fine if he was Rightless the remainder of his life. Yep, serious bias.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well then it makes you guys no different than the liberal people you hate who legislate and support legislation based on emotion. I thought we were different. I was wrong.

 

[Darth]

Sure enough, Doesn't have to do with anything I've mentioned though, but it's nice to know you agree with him. I've never brought up any specifics other than careless drunk drivers that end up killing people are not people I give a shit about.

Well, that, and the little detail that this thread is about denying rights to free men.

 

[GOPerfect]

Well then it makes you guys no different than the liberal people you hate who legislate and support legislation based on emotion. I thought we were different. I was wrong.

Everyone has bias. I am honest of mine.

Maybe it is a good thing that I am not a lawmaker.

One more BTW, any one that says their life in not run to some point or another due to their bias is a liar.

Plain and simple.

 

[Saltwater60]

I certainly do see the side of once you get out of jail you should get all your rights back.

The hard part for me is so many of these felons are repeat offenders and these repeat criminals offenders don’t help our cause but if it was a law to get your rights back once released from jail gun control of all kinds would basically be null and void so I see that.

 

[Uzi]

Well, that, and the little detail that this thread is about denying rights to free men.

What's your damn point? Quoting my post saying you agree with Will, followed by statements I never even brought up in the discussion?
That doesn't have any purpose, value, or make any sense.

Ugh.. I'm glad you disagree with something that I wasn't having a discussion about Darth?


Hey Darth, I just want to let you know that I disagree with you and also the sky is appears blue and grass is green.

 

[Darth]

What's your damn point? Quoting my post saying you agree with Will, followed by statements I never even brought up in the discussion?
That doesn't have any purpose, value, or make any sense.

Ugh.. I'm glad you disagree with something that I wasn't having a discussion about Darth?


Hey Darth, I just want to let you know that I disagree with you and also the sky is appears blue and grass is green.

If you recall correctly, you tried to dismiss Will's point because "he had a dwi, so if course he'd support that." I was looking for an answer on the relevance of Will having a DWI and his valid argument.

And I'm still looking for that btw.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Everyone has bias. I am honest of mine.

Maybe it is a good thing that I am not a lawmaker.

One more BTW, any one that says their life in not run to some point or another due to their bias is a liar.

Plain and simple.

One thing I’ve made clear here over and over is that free men have rights no matter who they are. So no. I’m no liar.

I’ve made that clear numerous times to the point that your boy AB had to run to a safe space because I was a “ Perp Lover.”

 

[Marine Cpl]

I certainly do see the side of once you get out of jail you should get all your rights back.

The hard part for me is so many of these felons are repeat offenders and these repeat criminals offenders don’t help our cause but if it was a law to get your rights back once released from jail gun control of all kinds would basically be null and void so I see that.

That’s what probation is for. Once you finish your probation with no repeat offenses, you should get your rights back.

 

[Shadow2]

If you serve your sentence your debt is paid. If you plead out then your at the mercy of what you agree too. If your violent and danger to society why are being released and not in a psych ward.

 

[Uzi]

If you recall correctly, you tried to dismiss Will's point because "he had a dwi, so if course he'd support that." I was looking for an answer on the relevance of Will having a DWI and his valid argument.

And I'm still looking for that btw.

Me voicing my opinion about how an individual who is reckless that presents a deadly threat to me and other people isn't me supporting X legislation. It's all there to read. It's stating my opinion that I simply don't care about their rights because they're cockroaches in my view. Now tell me how wrong I am for not caring. It doesn't change anything.

I've expressively shown many times that it is those who have done harm as a result of being hammered/high while driving are not people I'd care about in any aspect.
Will for an instance didn't cause harm to anyone I'm assuming; he was able to learn from his dumb ass mistake and not make it again I'd also assume. I don't know nor do I care about the details, but he was triggered by my statement out of "emotion". He didn't bother to think about what I wrote because he must have been flustered up a bit. Sorry Will, it wasn't an attack on you personally or anything. He then attempted to make it out like I'm in full support of whatever this bill or law is which is transparent and total bullshit.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Me voicing my opinion about how an individual who is reckless that presents a deadly threat to me and other people isn't me supporting X legislation. It's all there to read. It's stating my opinion that I simply don't care about their rights because they're cockroaches in my view. Now tell me how wrong I am for not caring. It doesn't change anything.

I've expressively shown many times that it is those who have done harm as a result of being hammered/high while driving are not people I'd care about in any aspect.
Will for an instance didn't cause harm to anyone I'm assuming; he was able to learn from his dumb ass mistake and not make it again I'd also assume. I don't know nor do I care about the details, but he was triggered by my statement out of "emotion". He didn't bother to think about what I wrote because he must have been flustered up a bit. Sorry Will, it wasn't an attack on you personally or anything. He then attempted to make it out like I'm in full support of whatever this bill or law is which is transparent and total bullshit.

Nope sorry. I did not get flustered. I just spoke truth to you. It seems that you did after it was posted. And in case you missed it, here it is again.

When you don’t care that rights are violated because you don’t give a fuck about a certain person, type of person, or person that did a specific thing, then those violations become precedent.

I’ve already given you concrete examples on what happens when you don’t give a fuck. Felons. Then later Convicted Domestic Violence Abusers. Now accused Domestic Violence abusers with no proof. Whats next? Hate crime charges because you said the N-word? They’ve already talked about that.

If we had nipped it in the bud with the felons, we wouldn’t be having this mess. Chip away. Keep giving them a piece of the pie because you don’t give a fuck about them.

 

[Uzi]

Nope sorry. I did not get flustered. I just spoke truth to you. It seems that you did after it was posted. And in case you missed it, here it is again.

When you don’t care that rights are violated because you don’t give a fuck about a certain person, type of person, or person that did a specific thing, then those violations become precedent.

I’ve already given you concrete examples on what happens when you don’t give a fuck. Felons. Then later Convicted Domestic Violence Abusers. Now accused Domestic Violence abusers with no proof. Whats next? Hate crime charges because you said the N-word? They’ve already talked about that.

If we had nipped it in the bud with the felons, we wouldn’t be having this mess. Chip away. Keep giving them a piece of the pie because you don’t give a fuck about them.

And guess what? that's not my fault and I never supported it. This shit is never going to stop. You'll always end up with more restrictive gun laws. Have you been paying attention to what's going on around the country right now? Lots of red states now being hit hard for the first time in a long time.

You've said it yourself you can resist and not follow the unconstitutional laws or you do as your told. What are you willing to do? We deal with it how we can. A loud voice is useless without action. Understanding the bill of rights is one thing. Following with action the rights afforded to you at birth by the simple understanding that unconstitutional laws are null and void is another. Don't get on my case because I held nothing more than an opinion about asshole behavior that has no impact on the real problem.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I’m just saying that not giving a fuck is what got us into this. That includes myself. Nobody gave a fuck about NYC because they are stupid liberals. Now look at NYS. Nobody gave a fuck about NYS. Now look at Virginia. Nobody gave a fuck about felons. Now my guns can be taken away if my wife cheats on me or I cheat on her and yelling is involved with no proof of actual abuse. All it takes is a phone call from her part.

We did this to ourselves. Now if you get convicted a misdemeanor that isn’t even violent, your guns will be taken away.

We cannot keep not giving a fuck.

 

[Bigfoot]

Your logical fallacy is appeal to emotion

You attempted to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

Well here is some more appeal to emotion.
A very good friend of mine was also killed by a drunk driver.
He was hit and killed at an intersection while going home on his Harley.

My sister left behind 2 young daughters, my friend left behind 4 of his kids.
Yeah, you know what you can do with your appeal to emotion fucking bullshit.

I hate drunk drivers... I do not care about their fucking rights if they are responsible for killing innocent people
and destroying families. If it were up to me it would be an eye for an eye. Then the other people wouldn't have to worry about the repeat offenders.

Fuck, last spring I come home after work and there is a truck on its roof in my front yard.
Yep, he was drunk...

But I'm just appealing to emotion grrrrr... No, you couldn't be more wrong.
I'm sharing my life experiences and why I do not give one fuck about their rights.
My sister and my friend no longer have rights anymore.

I am known for getting really nasty if I see someone that's hammered thinking they are going to just drive off.
I have gotten into fistfights over it... And I hold my head high for doing so. I know first hand what tragedy may happen and that does sit well with me.

A couple of funerals will have that effect.

 

[Bigfoot]

You are being biased. So if they took away his right to speech would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with the government quartering soldiers in his home?

I would be fine with... nevermind.

I knew I should have stayed out of this thread.
It is a really bad subject for me.

RIP Sara
RIP Wild Bill

 

[Elwood]

It’s an infringement of the 2A and you support it.

says the guy who’s OK with featureless rifles, get off your high horse

 

[Elwood]

We did this to ourselves.
We cannot keep not giving a fuck.

that’s the only intelligent thing you’ve said so far

 

[libertysnake]

Well here is some more appeal to emotion.
A very good friend of mine was also killed by a drunk driver.
He was hit and killed at an intersection while going home on his Harley.

My sister left behind 2 young daughters, my friend left behind 4 of his kids.
Yeah, you know what you can do with your appeal to emotion fucking bullshit.

I hate drunk drivers... I do not care about their fucking rights if they are responsible for killing innocent people
and destroying families. If it were up to me it would be an eye for an eye. Then the other people wouldn't have to worry about the repeat offenders.

Fuck, last spring I come home after work and there is a truck on its roof in my front yard.
Yep, he was drunk...

But I'm just appealing to emotion grrrrr... No, you couldn't be more wrong.
I'm sharing my life experiences and why I do not give one fuck about their rights.
My sister and my friend no longer have rights anymore.

I am known for getting really nasty if I see someone that's hammered thinking they are going to just drive off.
I have gotten into fistfights over it... And I hold my head high for doing so. I know first hand what tragedy may happen and that does sit well with me.

A couple of funerals will have that effect.

Then the drunk driver should be in jail. Or executed due to gross negligence.

When people get out of jail, they should have their rights restored. Either citizen, or prisoner -- not in between.