Maryland SWAT Team Serving Red Flag Warrant Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old Man Asleep In His Bed
- Thread starter PutnamCharlie
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Well I’m sure it was filmed so the words of hired attorneys really don’t matter.
I am interested in the truth behind this story.
The real truth, you know....
The truth that falls in between of what the family says and what the Police say.
I reserve judgement until the facts come out.
Something seems very wrong with this story.
The real truth, you know....
The truth that falls in between of what the family says and what the Police say.
I reserve judgement until the facts come out.
Something seems very wrong with this story.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
I agree. The body cam footage should answer a lot of questions.
For f's sakes people, DON'T use generic titles that could be anything at all. This is both in the site rules.. and is just common damn sense, and yet every single day we have to address it; quite often multiple times a day.
Save your commentary for the content (in this case the thread was titled "This could get ugly") and title it what the damn thread is actually about.
Save your commentary for the content (in this case the thread was titled "This could get ugly") and title it what the damn thread is actually about.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
Sorry about that.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Let's just hope it didn't happen to disappear. Just saying.
UPDATED: Montgomery police officer fatally shoots suspect in Potomac
A Montgomery County police officer fatally shot a man while issuing a warrant early Thursday morning in Potomac, according to a news release from the department. At approximately 4:30 a.m., police were serving a “high-risk search warrant” in the 12200 block of St. James Road in Potomac...
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Pretty poorly written, but then, I guess you don't need to pass English 101 to be a journalist.
He was prohibited from owning a firearm, he had no criminal record. Which side of the mouth are we to believe?
Robin
He was prohibited from owning a firearm, he had no criminal record. Which side of the mouth are we to believe?
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. Not enough information. Regardless. Unless they found a written statement or a post saying that he was going to commit a shooting with those guns in the morning, the night raid was unnecessary.
Not only does it unnecessarily put the lives of the dwellers in danger, it also puts the lives of the police in danger.
Having an unmarked car waiting outside with up to 3 officers to apprehend him is much safer once he pulls out whether on foot or in a car coming out from a garage compared to an all out assault on a hardened structure.
But if you do that and apprehend on your terms safely outside the home, then it wouldn’t make much sense to have a SWAT team. They have to find a use for them somehow. You can’t have them constantly training itching for action. Not good for morale.
Not only does it unnecessarily put the lives of the dwellers in danger, it also puts the lives of the police in danger.
Having an unmarked car waiting outside with up to 3 officers to apprehend him is much safer once he pulls out whether on foot or in a car coming out from a garage compared to an all out assault on a hardened structure.
But if you do that and apprehend on your terms safely outside the home, then it wouldn’t make much sense to have a SWAT team. They have to find a use for them somehow. You can’t have them constantly training itching for action. Not good for morale.
SWAT raids shouldn't be filmed at all. It's a good way to reveal tactics and methods to those who would exploit it.
You make a decent point but nowadays I don’t even like speaking to complainants who walk i to the precinct for advice without filming it. I’m not comfortable engaging in any police work without my camera rolling.
You don't get to decide when you're raided by SWAT. They will come when they think they have the biggest advantage.
You don't know the intel or planning that went into the raid.
I didn't know you had to much knowledge and expertise in apprehending dangerous people. Maybe the police should hire you as a consultant and check in with you before they execute a plan.
That's a completely different situation. SWAT isn't having a conversation with anyone. After apprehension the cameras can come on.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Rather than making this personal which I’m betting you are doing due to other unrelated threads, let’s look at some facts on hand and not use emotion to try to get me. Let’s talk like mature adults here.
1. It isn’t for the comfort of the one being raided. I do not know how you can even say that. It’s for the safety of all. Assaulting a hardened structure is more dangerous and more can go wrong rather than apprehending outside a hardened structure. That’s common sense and a hard fact.
Think about it. If you were trying to get me, what would give you a greater success with the least risk to the innocent occupants in the home and to you and your crew? Assaulting me in my home on my own turf where I can use my own home against you with possible rifle fire back at you or getting me as I leave work on my way to my car or on my way to my car to go to work or in my car while boxed in where at most I would have a pistol?
I agree with everything you said except for the end. They’d still need them and I guarantee you that most of the team members would be perfectly happy training 365 without having to put themselves in harms way. They’re used because too many departments over use these types of entries because doctrine is that they are safer for the uninvolved. I disagree, but that’s the idea.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
No knock raids should be banned. There is no excuse for a no knock raid. They're completely unnecessary.
Isn't it odd, most times we hear of a problem with any warrant, it is with a no knock raid.
Isn't it odd, most times we hear of a problem with any warrant, it is with a no knock raid.
I guarantee if a few houses blew up during no knock raids the practice would stop moe Ricky tic.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I wonder if the person who initiated the complaint will be held responsible??
most likely not. The libs always put protections in for those who call things in even if the report turns out to be false.
Let's let SWAT decide how they are going to handle it. They are the professionals. Not you. How do you know he wasn't under surveillance? They don't flip a coin to determine the time for the raid. Everything is planned. There isn't going to be a task force sitting around for days and days waiting for him to leave his house. These people never see it coming. If they are captured in the driveway who's to say occupants inside aren't going to start destroying evidence? They need to enter the structure anyway. The warrant is and will continue to be executed when they see fit.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
One person with a military background says that assaulting hardened structures introduces dangers. Another with military and a law enforcement background says the same. Logic also says the same. You be the judge.
That’s definitely not true. But they are overused.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I really don't know schitt, but just feel these no knock raids are far more dangerous than serving a standard warrant
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Most people when approached by police on the street don’t go out in a blaze of glory. They just don’t. It happens every day. Even with hardened criminals. But chances are that if their door is kicked in, they will or might or they will not obey out of confusion.
Take me for instance. Law abiding for the most part. If approached at work, I will comply. If approached on my driveway, I will comply. If approached at the gas station, I will comply. If my door is kicked in while I’m sleeping, my gun will be in my hand.
Take me for instance. Law abiding for the most part. If approached at work, I will comply. If approached on my driveway, I will comply. If approached at the gas station, I will comply. If my door is kicked in while I’m sleeping, my gun will be in my hand.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
No-knock warrants/ raids are a big problem in this country. Most of the time it seems they are not needed and people end up getting hurt. Or they go to the wrong house, or they throw a Flash Bang in a baby's crib.
I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this story, especially since they say it's something firearm-related.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I agree with early posts that more / complete inforrmation needs to be provided before judgement. If this is true as reported, then this is nothing less than an assasination by government, law enforcement, whatever you want to call it.
Having viewpoints that support a militia should be mo more alarming than someone supporting socialism. Possessing a firearm when prohibited is a crime only when proven to be so.
I'd like to understand the rationale or explanation as to what threat would make someone for into, not inside of, a home with a target in bed.
I'd like to think (hope) theres more to the story than reported. Either way, RFL were predicted to be dangerous and wrong, are dangerous and wrong, and will continue to be wrong as long as they are on the law books.
Having viewpoints that support a militia should be mo more alarming than someone supporting socialism. Possessing a firearm when prohibited is a crime only when proven to be so.
I'd like to understand the rationale or explanation as to what threat would make someone for into, not inside of, a home with a target in bed.
I'd like to think (hope) theres more to the story than reported. Either way, RFL were predicted to be dangerous and wrong, are dangerous and wrong, and will continue to be wrong as long as they are on the law books.
If you were right there wouldn't be 50,000 SWAT raids in America every year. Sorry. You don't know more than every law enforcement agency in America, even though you may think so. You also ignored my point about having to enter anyway. If I take you down in your driveway, your home boys are going to be sure to know. So what happens when they destroy your meth lab before I can gain entry? Now I've lost my evidence. Also now that they all know we are there they can be prepared to launch an assault when we gain entry, instead of never knowing we are coming. They would even have plenty of time to make some phone calls and get the rest of the gang there to help them. Your argument fails, and bad guys will continue to get "wake up calls" at all hours of the night. Stay in your lane - this one clearly isn't for you.