Getting out of Dodge, Looking for House to Rent

[Celt]

Because he is worried and becsuse we care we are advising about the safest choice that is staying at home like milions of people are doing all over the planet. Changin residence is a huge risk to his family and to others and against the advice of doctors. The best resources for everything will be in the areas who need them the most.



Celt,
As you know the web is a whorehouse and I would not think like-minded include lunatics and irresponsible people who do not want to listen to any expert advice. Because of the attitude of these people to do whatever the fuck they want, that is why it is now ilegal to change residence in so many places, in and oitside the US.

The long term problem is that we might beat the virus but stupidity will continue on forwver w/o a cure.

I understand where you're coming from and my post was not so much directed at you as it was more of a general statement based on the tone of some posts. The tone i was receiving from some posts was that downstaters arent welcome upstate.

I grew up in upstate, but now live downstate and ill be damned if ANYONE is gonna try and make me feel unwelcome if I feel like its safest for MY family to go someplace other than where Im at.

 

[carpediem]

I understand where you're coming from and my post was not so much directed at you as it was more of a general statement based on the tone of some posts. The tone i was receiving from some posts was that downstaters arent welcome upstate.

I grew up in upstate, but now live downstate and ill be damned if ANYONE is gonna try and make me feel unwelcome if I feel like its safest for MY family to go someplace other than where Im at.

It isn't that the downstaters aren't welcome. It is a matter of how they conduct themselves. As an upstater, let me just say yes, for me, bad apples have absolutely spoiled the whole damn bunch. Sorry, that's just how it is. I have had citiots trespass, steal, drive across my lawn - my fucking lawn! - to turn their car around and then the garbage dumping.
So for me, it's about respect. Go where you want, but be respectful. Don't swarm into the few stores like locusts and wipe them clear. Don't be like the citiot who said he was buying a damned pallet of toilet paper then started a fist fight when denied. Don't ride your side by side across your neighbors property because it is quicker.
Mostly, if you are up here to avoid coronavirus, don't be traveling back and forth and don't allow friends and family to travel back and forth, needlessly putting the residents around you at risk.
I doubt the op, or you Celt, are the regular citiots some of us are cursed with. Too bad there aren't more of those and less of what we do get.

 

[livingston]

We have rental property and a short term lease is out ... One year lease is all we would look at. I can see homes on a lake for the next 60 days a possibility. Best bet would be call a realtor . Many handle rental units.. We have trucks coming out of NY City 24/7 .. None of these trucks are stopped from heading any where in this state. .. Same goes for a family looking for a vacation home for a few months ... We are not in an episode of the twilight zone yet folks.

 

[Robin]

I suppose I bash those folks from the rotten apple as much as any, but the truth is, whenever I think of them, this is the image that comes to my mind.

At first blush, I would always assume these are the types of people I would be helping and they would have to prove me wrong.
God bless
Robin

 

[Jmac00]

Florida's governor has shut down all Marina's ( public and Private) and closed all boat ramps in the state, he also has, for-all-intents-and-purposes booted all the spring break kids out. Anyone caught in the lagoons, Cays or beaches rafting or in groups of 10 or more will be fined

How they are going to enforce this, I don't have a clue

 

[Robin]

One boat at a time.
Robin

 

[Celt]

It isn't that the downstaters aren't welcome. It is a matter of how they conduct themselves. As an upstater, let me just say yes, for me, bad apples have absolutely spoiled the whole damn bunch. Sorry, that's just how it is. I have had citiots trespass, steal, drive across my lawn - my fucking lawn! - to turn their car around and then the garbage dumping.
So for me, it's about respect. Go where you want, but be respectful. Don't swarm into the few stores like locusts and wipe them clear. Don't be like the citiot who said he was buying a damned pallet of toilet paper then started a fist fight when denied. Don't ride your side by side across your neighbors property because it is quicker.
Mostly, if you are up here to avoid coronavirus, don't be traveling back and forth and don't allow friends and family to travel back and forth, needlessly putting the residents around you at risk.
I doubt the op, or you Celt, are the regular citiots some of us are cursed with. Too bad there aren't more of those and less of what we do get.

To many upstate, anything south of wastechester or rockland is a downstater, and there are some strongly conservative rural areas in these counties. Thats where i live, and its a night and day difference from the nyc boroughs.

I get the concern with "citiots", but just like 1 bad gun owner, who does something that causes the rest of us to lose our rights, doesnt make all gun owners bad. Its bad news to judge entire groups for a few bad apples.

 

[meketrefe]

I understand where you're coming from and my post was not so much directed at you as it was more of a general statement based on the tone of some posts. The tone i was receiving from some posts was that downstaters arent welcome upstate.

I grew up in upstate, but now live downstate and ill be damned if ANYONE is gonna try and make me feel unwelcome if I feel like its safest for MY family to go someplace other than where Im at.

Celt,
I know it was not directed at me. My comments were not directed at you only although I used your quote.
Of course people are welcomed everywhere. I don't think it is about that or lack of empathy.
The issue right now is that it is not a good idea to change residence from a medical, strategical and ethical stand point.

In other countries people took off from their places to areas where they have vacation properties like ocean properties, cabins,
RV parks and such... As a result, people who were already sick or carrying the virus changed locations and then those places
that were not ready ended up with no supplies to buy (no people or goods since those come in with the high season) and
no medical personal or facilities in those many times remote areas away from home. So they had to redirect the people back
to their homes were the left behind all the supply chain and medical resources that were planned for them.
Then an area that otherwise had zero infections started to deal with yet another cluster and therefore spreading and perpetuating
the problem.

Like the OP, lets say 2 million other people for NYC might want to move away in look for safety only to end up in a very bad situation.

It is human nature that we want to do something. When we do something we feel in control. Just make sure that something is
something that is not going to put you in a worse situation than the one you had before. right nowt the safest place for people
in the NYC area is to stay inside their home.

Makes sense?

 

[meketrefe]

...I'm also sure crime is at a low because half of the shit is not reported these days. While I appreciate NYPD, these days they are afraid to do anything largely in part of our dickhead mayor not having the departments back.

ohms,
not quite sure how that would be the case. could you explain?
people call 911 and the police and emergency services say?... nah! we don't feel like going there?
NYPD, fire and everyone else are very dedicated people and regardless of the legal implications of not responding or reporting, ethically they will choose to do everything in their power to help others regardless of what the village's idot De Blassio says.

...not sure what not reporting really means, seriously.

 

[Celt]

Celt,
I know it was not directed at me. Of course people are welcomed everywhere. I don't think it is about that or lack of empathy.
The issue right now is that it is not a good idea to change residence from a medical, strategical and ethical stand point.

In other countries people took off from their places to areas where they have vacation properties like ocean properties, cabins,
RV parks and such... As a result, people who were already sick or carrying the virus changed locations and then those places
that were not ready ended up with no supplies to buy (no people or goods since those come in with the high season) and
no medical personal or facilities in those many times remote areas away from home. So they had to redirect the people back
to their homes were the left behind all the supply chain and medical resources that were planned for them.
Then an area that otherwise had zero infections started to deal with yet another cluster and therefore spreading and perpetuating
the problem.

Like the OP, lets say 2 million other people for NYC might want to move away in look for safety only to end up in a very bad situation.

It is human nature that we want to do something. When we do something we feel in control. Just make sure that something is
something that is not going to put you in a worse situation than the one you had before. right nowt the safest place for people
in the NYC area is to stay inside their home.

Makes sense?

It does, and I agree with what youre saying and how your saying it. Even your original post didnt have the tone of closedmindedness.

And ill add, this thread isnt about some "citiot" its about a conservative, gun owning, family man looking to protect his family.

If some Trump hating, antigun hood rat, wanted to move upstate and asked where his ebt card can buy all the local TP I would understand the broader concern.

 

[maverick52]

I doubt the op, or you Celt, are the regular citiots some of us are cursed with.

No we are not. Unfortunately we live around many of those citiots. BUT upstaters should know that there are many patriots who love God, country and guns down here. Sadly we are outnumbered by either the ignorant masses and the rich liberals like the Clintons and George Soros. I think what @Celt was trying to say is we need to help each other out and work together. We are on this sub because we are all in this boat together. What unites us is our patriotism and hatred of big government that wants to take away our civil liberties. This crisis is the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming down the pike. While I understand the need for social distancing and flattening the curve, Leftists will use this and any other crisis to abuse their authority and create more problems. We can’t let them divide us. With that said- if I take my family and rent a cabin somewhere to protect them, I will be respectful of the town where I go and be a good American to the community. You won’t know I’m even there. But, I ain’t gonna let some ones fears stop me. My family comes FIRST. I’m sure most of you would do the same. And if I were on the other side, I would hope to be the guy that helps direct good men to safety for their families too. Be safe everyone. Take care.

 

[Celt]

No we are not. Unfortunately we live around many of those citiots. BUT upstaters should know that there are many patriots who love God, country and guns down here. Sadly we are outnumbered by either the ignorant masses and the rich liberals like the Clintons and George Soros. I think what @Celt was trying to say is we need to help each other out and work together. We are on this sub because we are all in this boat together. What unites us is our patriotism and hatred of big government that wants to take away our civil liberties. This crisis is the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming down the pike. While I understand the need for social distancing and flattening the curve, Leftists will use this and any other crisis to abuse their authority and create more problems. We can’t let them divide us. With that said- if I take my family and rent a cabin somewhere to protect them, I will be respectful of the town where I go and be a good American to the community. You won’t know I’m even there. But, I ain’t gonna let some ones fears stop me. My family comes FIRST. I’m sure most of you would do the same. And if I were on the other side, I would hope to be the guy that helps direct good men to safety for their families too. Be safe everyone. Take care.

Thats what Im taking about!


Edit, i had two quotes by mistake.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

No we are not. Unfortunately we live around many of those citiots. BUT upstaters should know that there are many patriots who love God, country and guns down here. Sadly we are outnumbered by either the ignorant masses and the rich liberals like the Clintons and George Soros. I think what @Celt was trying to say is we need to help each other out and work together. We are on this sub because we are all in this boat together. What unites us is our patriotism and hatred of big government that wants to take away our civil liberties. This crisis is the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming down the pike. While I understand the need for social distancing and flattening the curve, Leftists will use this and any other crisis to abuse their authority and create more problems. We can’t let them divide us. With that said- if I take my family and rent a cabin somewhere to protect them, I will be respectful of the town where I go and be a good American to the community. You won’t know I’m even there. But, I ain’t gonna let some ones fears stop me. My family comes FIRST. I’m sure most of you would do the same. And if I were on the other side, I would hope to be the guy that helps direct good men to safety for their families too. Be safe everyone. Take care.

Did you read my post earlier in this thread?


You hardly seem like an irresponsible refugee who would negligently spread the virus.

If you and your family have made a real honest effort to isolate and distance and you all feel healthy then by all means leave, go somewhere else and isolate there if you feel it's safer and prudent. If you think it's the honest best course of action and you can responsibly do so then go for it.

Because I'm being totally honest if I was in your position I would leave. (but I'm also not a city person in the first place and actively avoid them when possible).


I would load up with as much food and supplies and kit as I could bring, load the family up and go bunker down in a remote house or cabin somewhere. I would also do all possible to provide for my own and minimize needing to shop in the local store and maintain distancing.

But that's just what I would do. I would want to make the best decisions I could for my family and try to carry it out as responsibly as possible.






I also want to make another comparison of upstate vs downstate, and not everyone downstate is against us, and we have downstaters on our side too.

When I travel south and interact with locals there I obviously have a northern/Midwestern accent so they notice pretty quickly. When I tell them I'm from NY they immediately assume the worst. I try to explain not everyone in NY is a stereotypical crazy liberal. There are lots of Patriots in NY state. I use the same logic thinking about downstate, there are plenty of good downstate folks who just get a bad wrap solely because of geography but if they were your neighbor you would be glad as they would be a good neighbor

 

[maverick52]

Did you read my post earlier in this thread?


You hardly seem like an irresponsible refugee who would negligently spread the virus.

If you and your family have made a real honest effort to isolate and distance and you all feel healthy then by all means leave, go somewhere else and isolate there if you feel it's safer and prudent. If you think it's the honest best course of action and you can responsibly do so then go for it.

Because I'm being totally honest if I was in your position I would leave. (but I'm also not a city person in the first place and actively avoid them when possible).


I would load up with as much food and supplies and kit as I could bring, load the family up and go bunker down in a remote house or cabin somewhere. I would also do all possible to provide for my own and minimize needing to shop in the local store and maintain distancing.

But that's just what I would do. I would want to make the best decisions I could for my family and try to carry it out as responsibly as possible.






I also want to make another comparison of upstate vs downstate, and not everyone downstate is against us, and we have downstaters on our side too.

When I travel south and interact with locals there I obviously have a northern/Midwestern accent so they notice pretty quickly. When I tell them I'm from NY they immediately assume the worst. I try to explain not everyone in NY is a stereotypical crazy liberal. There are lots of Patriots in NY state. I use the same logic thinking about downstate, there are plenty of good downstate folks who just get a bad wrap solely because of geography but if they were your neighbor you would be glad as they would be a good neighbor

Yes. I did. You are right on. And I appreciate your clear response. Thank you for the good advice.

 

[meketrefe]

LOL, the NYgun forum prosecutor has spoken. you all must listen to him, he is all knowing, LOL

I got a question for you, what happens when someone from NYshitty goes to the North country and it is literally closed. No hotels are open, no diners, no cabins for rent......where is the OP going to go then, Home

This guy is all over the place. Now I have to clean the hunting killing power thread after it has been trashed with all sort of nonsense.

 

[tc556guy]

To many upstate, anything south of wastechester or rockland is a downstater, and there are some strongly conservative rural areas in these counties. Thats where i live, and its a night and day difference from the nyc boroughs.

I get the concern with "citiots", but just like 1 bad gun owner, who does something that causes the rest of us to lose our rights, doesnt make all gun owners bad. Its bad news to judge entire groups for a few bad apples.

The line has shifted north in my opinion. It now includes Orange county.

 

[Celt]

The line has shifted north in my opinion. It now includes Orange county.

Orange has had a large influx of city people, specifically around middletown and newburgh, but the county is mostly right leaning. What do you consider albany? Thats upstate, but full of "citiots".

 

[speedkills27]

Orange has had a large influx of city people, specifically around middletown and newburgh, but the county is mostly right leaning. What do you consider albany? Thats upstate, but full of "citiots".

the unwashed asshole of NYS

 

[tc556guy]

Orange has had a large influx of city people, specifically around middletown and newburgh, but the county is mostly right leaning. What do you consider albany? Thats upstate, but full of "citiots".

If you can hop a train and go straight to NYC, you're within the environs and way of thinking of NYC. Which tends to skew far left and inflict itself on the rest of the state

 

[Celt]

If you can hop a train and go straight to NYC, you're within the environs and way of thinking of NYC. Which tends to skew far left and inflict itself on the rest of the state

Sounds pretty closed minded. You can catch a train in freaking plattsburgh that goes straight to nyc. Now if you mean the nyc subway thats different.not to say there arent good, 2a loving people behind enemy lines, but ido 7nderstand the difference of an upstate vs nyc mindset. I stillhave my upstate mindset evwn though i work in the city.

What youre saying is no different than how many people in free states look at nyers as a whole. But again, i think its important to not judge a whole group based on some. If one is to make generalizations i think its good practice to state that, especially when typing things out online. Ymmv

 

[tc556guy]

Sounds pretty closed minded. You can catch a train in freaking plattsburgh that goes straight to nyc. Now if you mean the nyc subway thats different.not to say there arent good, 2a loving people behind enemy lines, but ido 7nderstand the difference of an upstate vs nyc mindset. I stillhave my upstate mindset evwn though i work in the city.

What youre saying is no different than how many people in free states look at nyers as a whole. But again, i think its important to not judge a whole group based on some. If one is to make generalizations i think its good practice to state that, especially when typing things out online. Ymmv

Last I knew, the commute train ends in Orange County, does it not? I was in Orange County in '03-04 when we were there under Noble Eagle. Orange County then was undergoing a metamorphosis because of people fleeing NYC after 9/11. It can't have gotten any better in the intervening nearly two decades

The thing about people in other states, when they're talking about " NYers", they're generally referring to NYC people. NOT Upstaters.

If Upstate is to ever make its laws right again, we need to dump our affiliation with NYC and its surrounding area. Since that's not likely to happen, we're screwed.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

@maverick52

You better read this. I think you'll have to make a decision quickly one way or the other. Hope it helps brother.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/28/coronavirus-latest-news/

 

[Celt]

Last I knew, the commute train ends in Orange County, does it not? I was in Orange County in '03-04 when we were there under Noble Eagle. Orange County then was undergoing a metamorphosis because of people fleeing NYC after 9/11. It can't have gotten any better in the intervening nearly two decades

The thing about people in other states, when they're talking about " NYers", they're generally referring to NYC people. NOT Upstaters.

If Upstate is to ever make its laws right again, we need to dump our affiliation with NYC and its surrounding area. Since that's not likely to happen, we're screwed.

I dislike nyc and the associated mindset as much as anyone. But its a shame to see this becoming an upstate vs downstate thread. And just as you catagorize all downstaters in the same group as if they are all liberal leeches, the free states look at you in the same light. Ny state is NEVER going to separate with nyc so to the free staters, upstaters are no different than nyc leeches. Hell, if enough upstaters got off their couches we could have ousted cuomo last election.

I personally dont like or appreciate being lumped into a group for which i do not belong, and i dont suspect you do either.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I dislike nyc and the associated mindset as much as anyone. But its a shame to see this becoming an upstate vs downstate thread. And just as you catagorize all downstaters in the same group as if they are all liberal leeches, the free states look at you in the same light. Ny state is NEVER going to separate with nyc so to the free staters, upstaters are no different than nyc leeches. Hell, if enough upstaters got off their couches we could have ousted cuomo last election.

I personally dont like or appreciate being lumped into a group for which i do not belong, and i dont suspect you do either.

I tried to make this exact point a few posts ago.

Over Christmas break I was in SC with my brother at a local range. Just talking to some of the guys there they were completely stunned there are people like me in NY state, that we like guns, and we have more in common than not.

They couldn't believe what we have to go through to get a pistol or the drama we have trying to figure out NY legal ARs and we mostly get fed up and just build one we are comfortable thinking is legal enough. Etc...


We're all on the same side.

 

[Cooolone]

Might be a good time to go, if you're gonna go (NYC)

Trump says he’s eyeing coronavirus quarantine for NYC area

President Trump is considering imposing an enforced two-week quarantine and travel ban on New York City and the surrounding area to try to tamp down the rapidly expanding coronavirus outbreak. “I’d…

nypost.com

 

[maverick52]

@maverick52

You better read this. I think you'll have to make a decision quickly one way or the other. Hope it helps brother.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/28/coronavirus-latest-news/

Yep. Just saw this. Not surprised.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

These people sure don't like outsiders coming in

On Maine island, several people with guns allegedly cut down tree to block driveway and force quarantine

On the Maine island of Vinalhaven, an armed group allegedly told individuals to quarantine Friday amid the global coronavirus pandemic and even cut down a tree to block the driveway to their property, according to the Knox County Sheriff’s Office. Around 3:35 p.m., an individual used a VHF radio...

www.boston.com

It's getting squirrelly out there

 

[BDinPutnam]

I might do that on my own property to block ingress but doing it to someone else is pretty fucked up.

 

[masterswimmer]

These people sure don't like outsiders coming in

On Maine island, several people with guns allegedly cut down tree to block driveway and force quarantine

On the Maine island of Vinalhaven, an armed group allegedly told individuals to quarantine Friday amid the global coronavirus pandemic and even cut down a tree to block the driveway to their property, according to the Knox County Sheriff’s Office. Around 3:35 p.m., an individual used a VHF radio...

www.boston.com

It's getting squirrelly out there

Seems more like they didn't want the 'outsiders' leaving!

Quote from the article by Rep Genevieve McDonald:

"...A group of local vigilantes decided to take matters into their own hands, and barricade these guys into their rental property."

 

[tirwin1]

The virus might be an improvement for parts of Syracuse

I grew up just outside Syracuse and can attest to the accuracy of this statement lol.