NYPD arrests people over social distancing

[GOPerfect]

Where in the constitution does it says that you have the right to free travel to a contagion zone?

Where in the constitution does it say that if a temporary requirement to wear PPE at a church with social distancing in place it is a violation of assembly and freedom of religion? You can still assembled and you can still practice your religion.

Everything else is closed. Churches included.

You said close the churches.

Again, I think nearly everything should be closed. I am of the mindset, the greater good. I do not care that some what to go to church or go here or go there. These are the people that are affecting the heath of others. I do not care what they think they are entitled to.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You said close the churches.

Again, I think nearly everything should be closed. I am of the mindset, the greater good. I do not care that some what to go to church or go here or go there. These are the people that are affecting the heath of others. I do not care what they think they are entitled to.

Okay. Don’t close the churches unless you have 6 feet in between parishioners and they are wearing PPE. If you need to run more services to accommodate those displaced, then run more services. But if you violate the rules, you are subject to that charge I listed above.

 

[meketrefe]

The corona will be defeated but the real pandemic will continue that is stupidity, and there is no cure!
Arresting is wrong. They should issue $1K tickets to stupid people. It is toxic !!!

 

[spat]

You said close the churches.

Again, I think nearly everything should be closed. I am of the mindset, the greater good. I do not care that some what to go to church or go here or go there. These are the people that are affecting the heath of others. I do not care what they think they are entitled to.

You guys don't get it, the only thing a lockdown does is keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

Right now it looks like that isn't going to happen

It *doesn't* reduce the number of people who have to catch this before it's over.

So keeping all the idiots from catching it by forcing them to lock down just means the people who *do* lock down are at greater risk.

I prefer the idiots are allowed to be idiots and they can be the ones who catch it to build the herd immunity while the smart people stay home.

And if that isn't enough reason, Freedom is more important than lives. Period.

 

[Darth]

You guys don't get it, the only thing a lockdown does is keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

Right now it looks like that isn't going to happen

It *doesn't* reduce the number of people who have to catch this before it's over.

So keeping all the idiots from catching it by forcing them to lock down just means the people who *do* lock down are at greater risk.

I prefer the idiots are allowed to be idiots and they can be the ones who catch it to build the herd immunity while the smart people stay home.

And if that isn't enough reason, Freedom is more important than lives. Period.

And unless you can prove you deliberately put people in danger on purpose, sorry, you still have the right to assemble.

How you wish. Not "with our guidelines."

 

[Airborneguy]

I have never seen more fucking pansies in my life as I have the last week. Its disgusting. Bunch of brain washed automatons doing what the TV tells them to do. Grown ass men hiding from behind masks and rubber gloves, standing 6- 10 feet away from each other acting like pussy whipped little girls. If the TV told them they had to wear pink sweaters with teddy bears , they would do it without question . I asked the guy in the store where the dry yeast was and pulled his batman mask down and told me. Really? If I had a cabin Id be up there because I cant take these fucking sissys anymore.

OK...

So the government mandated closures and such have probably gone too far (separate point), but you're attacking people for making their own decisions to be cautious now?

Have you actually seen this disease up close yet? I'm really confused by this post. It's only understandable if you really haven't come close to it yet and still believe the nonsense that it's not dangerous and/or a hoax.

 

[Airborneguy]

Do I have the right to enter a hospital that’s is under lockdown to visit Covid patients?

This concept has come up on this forum before. Glad you disagree with it, but there are some who do believe that if even one government dollar has gone into construction, then they have full rights to inspect "their" investment.

 

[Airborneguy]

You guys don't get it, the only thing a lockdown does is keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

Right now it looks like that isn't going to happen

It *doesn't* reduce the number of people who have to catch this before it's over.

So keeping all the idiots from catching it by forcing them to lock down just means the people who *do* lock down are at greater risk.

I prefer the idiots are allowed to be idiots and they can be the ones who catch it to build the herd immunity while the smart people stay home.

And if that isn't enough reason, Freedom is more important than lives. Period.

Except a LOT of people could die in this type of pandemic, like A LOT LOT.

Not one of the Constitution's authors would stand rock solid like some of you on their principles in the face of possibly millions of deaths. Not a chance. And regardless, there is plenty of room for the curtailing of freedoms under specific circumstances written right into the Constitution plain as can be seen, especially since it was not originally intended to restrict the states AT ALL. Which is why from Day 1, towns all over the country restricted the carrying of firearms within their lines and no one batted an eye.

 

[spat]

Except a LOT of people could die in this type of pandemic, like A LOT LOT.

Not one of the Constitution's authors would stand rock solid like some of you on their principles in the face of possibly millions of deaths. Not a chance. And regardless, there is plenty of room for the curtailing of freedoms under specific circumstances written right into the Constitution plain as can be seen, especially since it was not originally intended to restrict the states AT ALL. Which is why from Day 1, towns all over the country restricted the carrying of firearms within their lines and no one batted an eye.

We're very near the peak for this thing. The healthcare system is not about to collapse. You aren't saving anyone with this lock down at this point.

At this point if some guy wants to play basketball and get sick next week, or stay home and get sick next month instead it should be his call.

The founding fathers made many mistakes, half of them owned slaves, it doesn't mean we should embrace that now.

They were also willing to risk a lot more lives for freedom than what is at stake here.

"A couple million Americans gave their lives for your freedom, but as soon as some people get sick, throw it all away".

 

[holdover]

OK...

So the government mandated closures and such have probably gone too far (separate point), but you're attacking people for making their own decisions to be cautious now?

I was being emotional, Every where I go, people expect me to fall in line with the program. The fear is heavy. Thick. Its sickening . The only reason they aren't making it mandatory to wear a mask is because they are not available. I can play along for a few weeks , but its getting on my nerves .


"""Have you actually seen this disease up close yet? I'm really confused by this post. It's only understandable if you really haven't come close to it yet and still believe the nonsense that it's not dangerous and/or a hoax.""


Absolutely not. I have not seen this up close. My cousin who is a trooper, is home now with the virus, Hes doing fine , just a fever, no cough.
I seen no sign of it anywhere, I only see fear. I don't think its a hoax, I do think its being hyped beyond reason. 24 hours a day 7 days a week , Id say that's hyped. Look, The virus has a 3% mortality rate. and its mostly people with other conditions and elderly which it is killing the most. . Even if you were unlucky enough to get it, Theres a 97% chance of recovery. So yeah, Im not living in fear . I see people cowering in their homes like scared rabbits . people can do what they want. But when they want me to wear a skirt because they'rescared starts raking on my nerves.

 

[Airborneguy]

We're very near the peak for this thing. The healthcare system is not about to collapse. You aren't saving anyone with this lock down at this point.

At this point if some guy wants to play basketball and get sick next week, or stay home and get sick next month instead it should be his call.

The founding fathers made many mistakes, half of them owned slaves, it doesn't mean we should embrace that now.

They were also willing to risk a lot more lives for freedom than what is at stake here.

"A couple million Americans gave their lives for your freedom, but as soon as some people get sick, throw it all away".

A couple of million over the course of 200 years, not 3 weeks. And precisely why we are almost past this thing is BECAUSE of the lockdowns.

 

[Airborneguy]

I was being emotional, Every where I go, people expect me to fall in line with the program. The fear is heavy. Thick. Its sickening . The only reason they aren't making it mandatory to wear a mask is because they are not available. I can play along for a few weeks , but its getting on my nerves .


"""Have you actually seen this disease up close yet? I'm really confused by this post. It's only understandable if you really haven't come close to it yet and still believe the nonsense that it's not dangerous and/or a hoax.""


Absolutely not. I have not seen this up close. My cousin who is a trooper, is home now with the virus, Hes doing fine , just a fever, no cough.
I seen no sign of it anywhere, I only see fear. I don't think its a hoax, I do think its being hyped beyond reason. 24 hours a day 7 days a week , Id say that's hyped. Look, The virus has a 3% mortality rate. and its mostly people with other conditions and elderly which it is killing the most. . Even if you were unlucky enough to get it, Theres a 97% chance of recovery. So yeah, Im not living in fear . I see people cowering in their homes like scared rabbits . people can do what they want. But when they want me to wear a skirt because they'rescared starts raking on my nerves.

You don't understand the concept that hospitals COMPLETELY FILLED with patients facing one issue that requires intense care is not a good thing for not only those patients, but anyone who needs treatment for any of the myriad of issues that occur daily and the healthcare system as a whole?

Even with the lockdowns, hospitals in the city are filled. Imagine if we just had went along as if this was nothing?

The point was never the death rate, that's the media talking to you. The point is the hospitalization rate which could completely collapse the system.

For what it's worth, I just found out 10 minutes ago that one of my direct subordinates tested positive. Trying to figure out what to do with my kids now.

 

[Blimey]

However it is a bit ironic they are opening the doors to jails and letting prisoners out to protect them yet these people were arrested for being too close together.

That's freaking glorious irony there.

 

[Celt]

You don't understand the concept that hospitals COMPLETELY FILLED with patients facing one issue that requires intense care is not a good thing for not only those patients, but anyone who needs treatment for any of the myriad of issues that occur daily and the healthcare system as a whole?

Even with the lockdowns, hospitals in the city are filled. Imagine if we just had went along as if this was nothing?

The point was never the death rate, that's the media talking to you. The point is the hospitalization rate which could completely collapse the system.

For what it's worth, I just found out 10 minutes ago that one of my direct subordinates tested positive. Trying to figure out what to do with my kids now.

Agreed, the idea is to slow the spread to not overload medical facilities. This virus is so contagious, and because of its nature (2 weeks without symptoms yet still contagious) it spreads like wild fire. If everyone got sick at the same time it would be far worse than trying to spread out the timeline to minimize the impact.

And sorry to hear about that abg, hope it all works out.

 

[SomeSoldier]

One of many issues with this, who is essential and who is not?

This is a really big issue in all of this.

I was talking to another member the other day on the phone and he was telling me what is considered essential down in that shitty city of NY' I will say, I was quite shocked at some of the essential jobs and needed workforce!

In Buffalo, parking is free nearly everywhere on public roads, ALL meter "maids" are still working. Not sure why though.

Go ahead and tell the children and wife of the man who puts food in their belly and a roof over their head he is not essential.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Everything we are doing right now is based on a lie of false data. So nothing we do will help because that base foundation is shit.

Also party tits has already relaxed the reporting standards of NYS to allow anyone to be suspected of dying to Corona to be counted, even without them being tested for it. No proof needed, all the numbers are a lie. Same as Italy.

They have us arguing with each other instead of questioning them.

 

[holdover]

You don't understand the concept that hospitals COMPLETELY FILLED with patients facing one issue that requires intense care is not a good thing for not only those patients, but anyone who needs treatment for any of the myriad of issues that occur daily and the healthcare system as a whole?

Even with the lockdowns, hospitals in the city are filled. Imagine if we just had went along as if this was nothing?

The point was never the death rate, that's the media talking to you. The point is the hospitalization rate which could completely collapse the system.

For what it's worth, I just found out 10 minutes ago that one of my direct subordinates tested positive. Trying to figure out what to do with my kids now.

97% of the people in the hospital will recover. Probably 50% have no business being there in the first place, but they got sick and bolted to the hospital out of fear. The death rate to me means everything. My chances of recovery are extremely high if I did get it. So Im not fearfull in the least.

Your at ground zero so you have a different perspective. Here? I only know of 1 person after a month. The cases are multiples lower than in NYC.

The threat here is far lower than the city , yet I see fear everywhere I go. I cant see friends and family, because they're so fearfull. Its just pissing me off. I have to stand six feet behind someone like a fucking muslim women because Im told to . Man, this shit just rubs me the wrong way. I am not even a little bit concerned, and I see other people freaking out like its the bubonic plague . Look at the run on toilet paper . People are acting irrational .

I see fear mongering on TV, I don't know if its true but they said they are going to start burying people in Central Park!!! WTF??? they cant drive outside of the city? To me, thats pure sensationalism , there's no need for that .

Shits just getting on my nerves.

 

[Marine Cpl]

97% of the people in the hospital will recover. Probably 50% have no business being there in the first place, but they got sick and bolted to the hospital out of fear. The death rate to me means everything. My chances of recovery are extremely high if I did get it. So Im not fearfull in the least.

Your at ground zero so you have a different perspective. Here? I only know of 1 person after a month. The cases are multiples lower than in NYC.

The threat here is far lower than the city , yet I see fear everywhere I go. I cant see friends and family, because they're so fearfull. Its just pissing me off. I have to stand six feet behind someone like a fucking muslim women because Im told to . Man, this shit just rubs me the wrong way. I am not even a little bit concerned, and I see other people freaking out like its the bubonic plague . Look at the run on toilet paper . People are acting irrational .

I see fear mongering on TV, I don't know if its true but they said they are going to start burying people in Central Park!!! WTF??? they cant drive outside of the city? To me, thats pure sensationalism , there's no need for that .

Shits just getting on my nerves.

And that right there is why the virus spreads. Pissed off and tired people who are willing to take a chance. You are correct. The situation down state is different than yours. The problem is that there are no quarantine zones. So people like me that could be carriers go to your neck of the woods because I’m tired and want to meet you.

And please don’t say that you know for a fact that you can fight it off. These people that I personally know from the job thought the same. Only one of them had questionable health to my knowledge. The others were within normal weight standards and otherwise healthy without having to see doctors every day for an underlying medical condition.


A. Waterman Deceased.
J. Strube on a ventilator.
Mr. Teleci on a ventilator.
F. Forde on a ventilator in an induced coma.

 

[Saltwater60]

You said close the churches.

Again, I think nearly everything should be closed. I am of the mindset, the greater good. I do not care that some what to go to church or go here or go there. These are the people that are affecting the heath of others. I do not care what they think they are entitled to.

My church closed and I support it. We have 1000 people in and out every Sunday. There’s a time to take a stand and a time to say this is the right thing to do. My church leadership said we’re closing because it’s the right thing to do. I agree.
it may change the way people worship but it doesn’t mean the government is telling you you’re not allowed to worship.
same with the right to assemble. You can assemble might just look differently.
Now the gun shops and FFL’s being closed certainly does violate our rights because NYS mandates a background check. This would be a good lawsuit.

 

[holdover]

1 deceased. You expect me to live in fear? Listen, I can see if there thousands of deaths in my area, a dozen or two people I know that died. I can except that . I get it. The odds of me contracting it are incredibly slim. the odds of me surviving it are high. What am I afraid of? You seriously expect me to go hide under a blanket ? Really? Stay six feet back, wear a mask, wash your mail, stay in your cell, (I mean home.) don't ask questions , don't talk back, do what your told? Or the virus will get ya?

Im sorry man, this shit just goes against my grain. I don't have a vagina , and until I'm face to face with the reaper, I don't worry about him either. Id prefer to live my life the way I want to live it, not living in fear being told how to live it

 

[SomeSoldier]

1 deceased. You expect me to live in fear? Listen, I can see if there thousands of deaths in my area, a dozen or two people I know that died. I can except that . I get it. The odds of me contracting it are incredibly slim. the odds of me surviving it are high. What am I afraid of? You seriously expect me to go hide under a blanket ? Really? Stay six feet back, wear a mask, wash your mail, stay in your cell, (I mean home.) don't ask questions , don't talk back, do what your told? Or the virus will get ya?

Im sorry man, this shit just goes against my grain. I don't have a vagina , and until I'm face to face with the reaper, I don't worry about him either. Id prefer to live my life the way I want to live it, not being told how to live it

Completely agree, and if you do what to stay home, feel free to do so. I am not forcing you to go outside, meet people, touch anything. I just expect people to let me do those things if I choose.

Fyi, the first two weeks this mandatory quarantine started. I put in 168 hours at work, 14 days in a row. Now that we are back to 40 hour weeks, I am still at work 5 days a week.

 

[Airborneguy]

Well hopefully you don't fuck over those people around you who are taking precautions.

 

[holdover]

I highly doubt it . Its like a fucking ghost town here. I really cant go anywhere anyways everything is closed . If I believed I was any kind of threat to anyone, I wouldn't do anything.

 

[Marine Cpl]

1 deceased. You expect me to live in fear? Listen, I can see if there thousands of deaths in my area, a dozen or two people I know that died. I can except that . I get it. The odds of me contracting it are incredibly slim. the odds of me surviving it are high. What am I afraid of? You seriously expect me to go hide under a blanket ? Really? Stay six feet back, wear a mask, wash your mail, stay in your cell, (I mean home.) don't ask questions , don't talk back, do what your told? Or the virus will get ya?

Im sorry man, this shit just goes against my grain. I don't have a vagina , and until I'm face to face with the reaper, I don't worry about him either. Id prefer to live my life the way I want to live it, not living in fear being told how to live it

Wow. I’m impressed. Such a hunk of a man you are.

No. I’m not telling you to live in fear and hide under a blanket. I’m just saying that you don’t know if an infection could put you down. You don’t. Just like those guys I listed above didn’t know that the infection could put them out of commission and the thousands of otherwise healthy people that ended up on ventilators. Hell, even military members have died from the virus. You don’t get to be in the military if you have immunity issues or underlying health conditions.

But you can read a crystal ball and know that you’ll end up fine. That’s good. Just stay away from others that don’t want to get infected. Stay away from others that have elderly and sick people in their homes that they care about. Your manliness of being virus-proof doesn’t get to put others in danger that don’t want to be in danger even if they are healthy enough to survive.

 

[holdover]

Sorry , I'm not available.

LOL, Ok . You don't seem to understand , its not that I think invulnerable, or virus proof , Im not. I don't care. The odds are so fucking remote That I contract it, let alone die, that it doesn't concern me in the least. Its not that Im macho, That's not the intent at all. its that everyone else is cowering like frightened children because the guy on the TV is scaring the living shit out of them .

You know what my crystal ball is telling me now? you and 98% of everybody on this forum will be OK . Bookmark this post and look at it 4-6 months from now.

 

[Airborneguy]

You went from "the odds of me contracting it..." to "98% of everybody on this forum will be ok." You do realize those are two different concerns right?

 

[spat]

Well hopefully you don't fuck over those people around you who are taking precautions.

You don't seem to understand. If x number of people need to get it before it goes away, and everyone hunkers down, then everyone has the same chance of getting it.

But, if the vulnerable hunker down, and the stupid don't, then the stupid will make up a much larger % of that number than they would if they'd hunkered down. That means that they *lower* the chance for the vulnerable at the end of this.

Those spring breakers were basically volunteering to take one for the team and free up a slot for granny. Just because they aren't smart enough to figure that out means nothing.

 

[holdover]

You went from "the odds of me contracting it..." to "98% of everybody on this forum will be ok." You do realize those are two different concerns right?

Not sure what your saying.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A few weeks ago I was on line at the grocery store. There was a lady in front of me panic buying cases of Pepsi and boxes of Hostess Mini Bites among other things. She was obese, probably in her late 30's. It was when they had just instituted the 6 foot rule and I wasn't aware of the red tape on the floor I was supposed to stand behind and wait. She gave me a dirty look before I backed up.

If/when this individual becomes ill she will probably blame me because I was less then six feet from her for a few moments. She won't blame herself, her lifestyle, dietary habits, lack of any type of exercise, etc.. How about some personal freaking responsibility about what happens to you and your health? It's always someone else's fault for the shitty choices you make. Well, I've said it many times before. Call me a selfish bastard if you must. I just want to be left alone and not have my rights infringed. I'm not hurting anyone. They ultimately are hurting themselves by the choices they make or don't make. It's called personal responsibility. I try to do the right thing yet my "health" insurance rate is based on the disease the germaphobic slob in front of me at the grocery will most likely wind up with at some point in her life. Rant off. On a side note, am I to assume based on @GOPerfect's reference before the Marine CPL is Will? If so it's all making sense now lol .

 

[Chicken Shoot]

LMFAO!!!!