Mother and Journalists arrested 2 days in a row for protesting : NYPD
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Bustedknees
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Where did Antifa go during this Covid outbreak ?
Toecutter
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this is what antifa wants, freedom to be destroyed in America.
I can say that there seems to be a very small response by the NYPD . I dont know if this is due to safety protocols due to the virus or alot of cops refused to be tools of a dictator.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Who says it's "non essential" People have a right to protest peacefully.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Just doing their job = Following orders
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
war criminals use that as a defense
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Good point.
Oh here we go...
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Very sad situation. Exactly what dictators do.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Today they shout "let her go", tomorrow ......................
Robin
Robin
I just sent this to someone in the video. lol
Shit like this is a big part of why I left Manhattan. I don't handle professional agitators well. Right or wrong, they're just not my type of people.
Shit like this is a big part of why I left Manhattan. I don't handle professional agitators well. Right or wrong, they're just not my type of people.
It's not actually as simple as that.
I'm with you as I believe the 1st and 2nd Amendments are pretty damned clear, but the record of court cases isn't. Simply put, why do you think it is perfectly "constitutional" to require permits for certain protests?
I've been arguing this issue with my friend (the one in the video) for weeks now. He's shown me court cases - some which go far back - that support the state and local government levels having the ability to limit protest activity for specific reasons.
I don't support it, and again, I left Manhattan partly because of this crap, but the law actually does support stuff like what you see in this video to some extent.
Last week my union sent out a long explanation from our lawyers that basically summed it up as "murky". Based on that, my union suggested refusing to take action unless directly ordered by a superior and then fully documenting who gave the orders. That's why in this video, even for a small protest there's some heavy brass present.
DrBleachCocktail
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NY and soon New America will become something that we all feared. Rights will become privileges and 2nd amendment will be abolished. Once the 2A is gone everything will be gone. Queen Cuomo should be arrested for violating the constitution numerous times. Rights are rights, they shouldn’t be suspended not even for a second because if a health crisis can trump the constitution, what else can? I’m not a blaming type of person but I actually do blame the federal government for not taking immediate action and letting state governors host their own party. FUAC!
E the massive
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"Prohibited by the governor and mayor". Mayor hahahaa mayor. GFY.
Marine Cpl
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Permitting a right whether it’s for the 1st or the 2nd is wrong despite what a dude in a black robe ruled.
spat
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Nearly every time in history a government has oppressed it's citizens it has whatever passed for a SCOTUS ruling on it's side.
I am sure the cops in China rounding up Muslims and sending them to actual concentration camps right now have memos describing why it's perfectly legal.
If you ever get orders to do something you know is wrong, you will probably also have a memo explaining why it isn't. If you follow those orders you will still be morally responsible, no amount of "doing my job", "the brass ordered it", or "the courts upheld it" will change that.
But at what point does ignoring the decisions of our multi-layer judicial system become chaos? I believe its existence is more beneficial than its imperfections.
spat
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So far, maybe it is.
But if you haven't drawn your personal line in the sand yet, you will get sucked in when the "well, we know this sounds bad, but we've investigated it ourselves and found it's not" letter comes.
Abandoning your personal belief in the legitimately of "the system" is no easy thing, even more so for those of you who's whole career has revolved around enforcing it.
I think the greatest indictment though is the unaccountability of the "elite".
Epstein is a great example.
Remember, this wasn't the first time Epstein was caught, just the first time he was caught when his friends were out of power.
I don't think I need to regale anyone on this board with a litany of similar examples of the powerful getting off for crimes that would send anyone else to prison for decades.
So, once you decide that "the system" is horribly broken and beyond repair, you have to ask "how can we do any better".
The answer to that last one is where most people screw up. The answer is "we probably can't".
I look at who would actually be in charge of the side that wins a Civil War in the US, and I don't think I would like the government they create any better than the mess we've got.
Robin
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Airborne, I do agree that its 'murky', but only in the way progressive judges wish to circumvent the law of the land. I do appreciate you explanation and how your union is handling it. Though I hope they revisit the issue and tell the mayor and governor to pound salt, no more unconstitutional enforcement of unconstitutional orders.
Robin
Robin
@thewheels
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Fixing a broken system or recreating anything isn't necessarily the answer.
Dropping our banana republic on it's ass, kicking it to the curb and actually applying our current laws equally to EVERYONE would go most of the way to "keeping the republic"
Ditching 1000's of state & federal rules, regs, requirements and other entrapments would get us that much closer.
Steal2B
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
If you think it's possible to claw our republic back from the brink, then that's obviously the best solution.
But the people who have the power will not relinquish any of it willingly. And the core of all of our problems is that they have far too much.
@thewheels
.308 Win
I'd not argue those points.
This has always been my argument.
technicalgadget
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“It is only at the precipice, do humans evolve. It is only at the brink, do people find the will to change...”
Although I do admit, this could be for better or worse for us.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
There are only 3 ways for unconstitutional SCOTUS rulings to go away.
1. They rule correctly and reverse perverse rulings that go against the constitution.
2. We the people abolish SCOTUS through force.
3. Law enforcement stop enforcing unconstitutional laws.
1 is far-fetched. 2 is less far-fetched but still not likely to happen. If 2 did happen, the country would be in ruin.
3 is the only way to fix it without any bloodshed and problems that come about due to bloodshed. It can be done if police chiefs and unions around the country just got together. Gun laws and 1st Amendment violations could go to the wayside just like all those laws that are still on the books that no one enforces. Watering your lawn on Sunday. Sodomy in ones home from Anal sex. Adultery. Ect.
1. They rule correctly and reverse perverse rulings that go against the constitution.
2. We the people abolish SCOTUS through force.
3. Law enforcement stop enforcing unconstitutional laws.
1 is far-fetched. 2 is less far-fetched but still not likely to happen. If 2 did happen, the country would be in ruin.
3 is the only way to fix it without any bloodshed and problems that come about due to bloodshed. It can be done if police chiefs and unions around the country just got together. Gun laws and 1st Amendment violations could go to the wayside just like all those laws that are still on the books that no one enforces. Watering your lawn on Sunday. Sodomy in ones home from Anal sex. Adultery. Ect.
phatfarmerbob
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I gota say I’m pretty freaked out by that backpack speaker thing barking directives. Same with those talking drones.. that is some crazy sky net shit right there.
Gives me the hebe gebes.
Gives me the hebe gebes.
