BLM outrage as mural painted on street pavement defaced

[C3D]

Black Lives Matter mural damaged by motorcycle tires

Black Lives Matter mural damaged by motorcycle tires

www.lohud.com

 

[1075tech]

Don't put shit in/on the road and expect it to not get run over.

 

[Saltwater60]

Was it on black top or concrete.

 

[togmaster]

Was it on black top or concrete.

That's racist

 

[S&W Fan]

 

[Apeman]

They plan to repaint it. Anybody that drives over it and gets paint on their vehicle can file a claim against the city for allowing this to happen.

Oh and FUCK THEM. It's ok for them to try and paint over "racist" historical paintings or destroy statues but they want to cry when their stuff is damaged.

 

[Toecutter]

Aw poor babies. Stop fucking up public property maybe you will get some respect.

 

[Catskillkid]

They plan to repaint it. Anybody that drives over it and gets paint on their vehicle can file a claim against the city for allowing this to happen.

Oh and FUCK THEM. It's ok for them to try and paint over "racist" historical paintings or destroy statues but they want to cry when their stuff is damaged.

Was going to say the same thing. They're ripping down statues of non Confederates like Grant and the 54th Mass. They just want to cause havoc.

 

[Toecutter]

 

[libertysnake]

Was going to say the same thing. They're ripping down statues of non Confederates like Grant and the 54th Mass. They just want to cause havoc.

It's because it's not about equality. It's about revenge for, at least some, of these people.

The burden of proof for systemic racism is on the accuser. I don't personally see a systemic issue. There may be issues of under funding of schools, or very specific things we may be able to make progress on, but that requires we discuss issues and don't have people just burning buildings to the fucking ground. By sticking to the issues, we can identify if they are even issues.

Seeing rioting doesn't make people want to come to the table. It doesn't solve the problems.

 

[kev74]

Black tires matter?

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Saltwater60]

That's racist

I just don’t fucking care anymore honestly. I haven’t even watched the news in a week or so. I’m over it.

 

[E the massive]

Outrage!!!! They should immediately march to the nearest MC clubhouse and start kicking ass!

 

[Jcp123]

It's because it's not about equality. It's about revenge for, at least some, of these people.

The burden of proof for systemic racism is on the accuser. I don't personally see a systemic issue. There may be issues of under funding of schools, or very specific things we may be able to make progress on, but that requires we discuss issues and don't have people just burning buildings to the fucking ground. By sticking to the issues, we can identify if they are even issues.

Seeing rioting doesn't make people want to come to the table. It doesn't solve the problems.

I’m partly there with you. I do think the raw anger, rioting, and vandalism is negating the ability to talk and make things better.

I’m not entirely cogent on this yet, but I do think there’s a valid point to be made for systemic racism. But as long as the cauldron boils, folks will dig in, and racism will either be denied or exaggerated.

One of the reasons I really hate talking about this online is that these things get compressed into poles, when in reality it’s a lot more nuanced. But like a sucker, I still try to interject and try to get folks to hit a pause button.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[libertysnake]

I’m not entirely cogent on this yet, but I do think there’s a valid point to be made for systemic racism.

That's kind a tall order to make such an accusation, although I realize you were just mentioning your stance not really putting forth a detailed argument. Also, I'm not really sure what calling out systemic racism (assuming it exists) accomplishes that talking about the individual problems wouldn't do a better job of addressing (both shedding light on possible racism and other potential reasons for a given issue.)

I feel like the accusations for systemic racism are pretty shallow at the moment. I find it similar to arguments for whether an industry has sexism. You get these two second blurbs like "This industry has five times as many men as women. Sexism in this industry must be addressed." Well, ok. It might be grounds to look into whether sexism is an issue -- that's a valid point. However, it doesn't follow that because an industry has five times as many men as women that the underlying cause is sexism or gender discrimination. Similarly, it doesn't follow that certain acts of police are race motivated or even the norm, given a single occurrence.

While I'm not opposed (as I've said in other threads around here) to the idea that systemic racism is possible... I just find the evidence for it to be extremely lacking compared to the accusation. It's a tall order to call out without a lot of overpowering evidence. I'm personally not yet convinced.

 

[Jcp123]

That's kind a tall order to make such an accusation, although I realize you were just mentioning your stance not really putting forth a detailed argument. Also, I'm not really sure what calling out systemic racism (assuming it exists) accomplishes that talking about the individual problems wouldn't do a better job of addressing (both shedding light on possible racism and other potential reasons for a given issue.)

I feel like the accusations for systemic racism are pretty shallow at the moment. I find it similar to arguments for whether an industry has sexism. You get these two second blurbs like "This industry has five times as many men as women. Sexism in this industry must be addressed." Well, ok. It might be grounds to look into whether sexism is an issue -- that's a valid point. However, it doesn't follow that because an industry has five times as many men as women that the underlying cause is sexism or gender discrimination. Similarly, it doesn't follow that certain acts of police are race motivated or even the norm, given a single occurrence.

Point being, while I'm not opposed (as I've said in other threads around here) to the idea that systemic racism is possible... I just find the evidence for it to be extremely lacking compared to the accusation. It's a tall order to call out without a lot of overpowering evidence. I'm personally not yet convinced.

You’re not wrong to tiptoe around that. Race is an issue in America, I just don’t think any of the big dogs have it right. The internet and social media doesn’t give a lot of room for nuance, so it’s kinda hard to call out both sides and say that nobody is really wrong or right. You almost have to be with BLM or against it, and there’s not really room for anyone on either side to say “yeah, I get you, but what about this?”

It’s sad, and possibly becoming scary. I don’t want scary. I’d like us to all respect each other. We can disagree without being dicks.

 

[Acer-m14]

where is DOT ?? are these road markings ( paintings ) legal ?? .. you know the FUAC signs weren't LOL

 

[repete]

So I guess black skid marks don't matter?

 

[GOPerfect]

I say, these towns need to paint over all of these racist statements that are polluting the roads of America.

 

[libertysnake]

You almost have to be with BLM or against it, and there’s not really room for anyone on either side to say “yeah, I get you, but what about this?”

The destruction of any grey area is a big problem. It means dialogue isn't possible when people aren't interested in drilling down via conversations into those underlying assumptions.

Whenever I hear anyone mention absolutes, my bullshit detector goes off.

 

[Jcp123]

The destruction of any grey area is a big problem. It means dialogue isn't possible when people aren't interested in drilling down via conversations into those underlying assumptions.

Whenever I hear anyone mention absolutes, my bullshit detector goes off.

The “grey area” or room for nuance is very small, and basically dismissed. Big problem indeed. Cork the bottle, get big boom later.

 

[spat]

You’re not wrong to tiptoe around that. Race is an issue in America, I just don’t think any of the big dogs have it right. The internet and social media doesn’t give a lot of room for nuance, so it’s kinda hard to call out both sides and say that nobody is really wrong or right. You almost have to be with BLM or against it, and there’s not really room for anyone on either side to say “yeah, I get you, but what about this?”

It’s sad, and possibly becoming scary. I don’t want scary. I’d like us to all respect each other. We can disagree without being dicks.

People are constantly confusing a cultural issue for a racial one.

There absolutely is a culture out there that is incompatible with prosperity, and many people choose to subscribe to that culture.

Most of the actual racists are also making the same mistake, but since race is somewhat correlated with culture that is why they do it.

If you want to reduce racism you need to reduce
people's idea that race predicts culture.

 

[ProgSpear]

The destruction of any grey area is a big problem. It means dialogue isn't possible when people aren't interested in drilling down via conversations into those underlying assumptions.

Whenever I hear anyone mention absolutes, my bullshit detector goes off.

So when I say I absolutely want assholes of every persuasion to leave me alone, does your bullshit detector go off? Just checking how sensitive that detector is...

 

[alistair]

Black tires matter?

White walled tires....

 

[libertysnake]

So when I say I absolutely want assholes of every persuasion to leave me alone, does your bullshit detector go off? Just checking how sensitive that detector is...

My troll detector is going off right now.

 

[GOPerfect]

You’re not wrong to tiptoe around that. Race is an issue in America, I just don’t think any of the big dogs have it right. The internet and social media doesn’t give a lot of room for nuance, so it’s kinda hard to call out both sides and say that nobody is really wrong or right. You almost have to be with BLM or against it, and there’s not really room for anyone on either side to say “yeah, I get you, but what about this?”

It’s sad, and possibly becoming scary. I don’t want scary. I’d like us to all respect each other. We can disagree without being dicks.

Race is an issue in nearly every freaken nation around the World. We see it strong here due to ignorance and the Main Stream Media. It is not any worse here than many other Countries.

There has always been race issues and there will always be race issues. There are issues of religion all around us. There are issues of financial status. For those offended by it of affected by it, deal with it or allow it to consume you.

As for the stupid BLM movement... I am against every bit of it. The words, the meanings, the demands; all of it. Absolute fucking joke of a movement. Means nothing, nothing at all.

Why should we all respect one another? Serious question.

 

[E the massive]

I say, these towns need to paint over all of these racist statements that are polluting the roads of America.

Safety issue. Pretty sure the paint used is not nonslip designed for roads.

 

[spat]

Race is an issue in nearly every freaken nation around the World. We see it strong here due to ignorance and the Main Stream Media. It is not any worse here than many other Countries.

There has always been race issues and there will always be race issues. There are issues of religion all around us. There are issues of financial status. For those offended by it of affected by it, deal with it or allow it to consume you.

As for the stupid BLM movement... I am against every bit of it. The words, the meanings, the demands; all of it. Absolute fucking joke of a movement. Means nothing, nothing at all.

Why should we all respect one another? Serious question.

Someone should start the realist "most lives just don't matter" movement.