A conversation of abortion and Down Syndrome

[GOPerfect]

Duffy: Tolerating Eugenics Against Down Syndrome Babies Is Evil

Evita Duffy joined Fox News' 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' on Friday to criticize an article in The Atlantic endorsing abortions of babies with Down Syndrome.

thefederalist.com

This seems to be in the news a bit more than in the past.

In Danmark, about 95% of all fetuses with DS are aborted. Most of the Scandinavian Countries as well as others have numbers similar to this.


Like everything else in life, I have my opinions and my thoughts. I was wondering what others think and feel about this....

 

[CaseHardened]

Tough, Tough call.

If it were a Thaliomide Baby, and if it were mine, I would abort.

Just being honest.

On the other end of the spectrum, people abort perfectly healthy babies because they are the "wrong" sex, or even more often, simply because the child would be inconvenient.

 

[stokes]

I dont care if you want an abortion, just dont ask me to pay for it every time your dumb, drunk ass forgets to pull out

 

[CaseHardened]

I dont care if you want an abortion, just dont ask me to pay for it every time your dumb, drunk ass forgets to pull out

If dollars are your only concern, an abortion saves you hundreds of thousands of dollars over the lifetime of a person who is born, and drains the Welfare System their entire lives.

 

[GOPerfect]

I dont care if you want an abortion, just dont ask me to pay for it every time your dumb, drunk ass forgets to pull out

Not about a basic, I made a mistake, abortion. Tests in Scandinavia are given for the reason of locating DS.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Who's to say there is or isn't quality of life for the individual? Just because it may not fit into our idea of how life should be lived doesn't mean that their life wouldn't have purpose and meaning. That is a tough one for the parents indeed though. It is easy for people not in that situation to give advice about what to do. Over the years I have seen stories about individuals afflicted and how purposeful and enjoyable their lives are/were. We had a tubal with our first and were devastated. Couldn't imagine losing a life even in this situation. There is no easy answer. Thank G-d every day for having healthy kids. We take so much for granted.

 

[CaseHardened]

How long before Liberals begin emptying the Asylums into the Ovens ?

The Murder of People with Disabilities

 

[CaseHardened]

HARTHEIM CASTLE EUTHANASIA KILLING CENTER
Hartheim castle, a euthanasia killing center where people with physical and mental disabilities were killed by gassing and lethal injection. Hartheim, Austria, date uncertain.

 

[CaseHardened]

I pray for the day when most disabilites can be cured.

I realize it will not happen in my lifetime.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I am against it.

There is no reason someone with DS can't have a good quality of life and experience happiness. Yes, in many ways they are more limited than others and there are things they will never get to do. But that doesn't mean they should be eugenicaly purged, they live relatively happy lives they aren't suffering in pain every day there is no reason to abort them just because they are more work for the parents.
Every life has meaning and value.

 

[tirwin1]

Didn't the Spartans throw deformed babies off a cliff?

This is a very dangerous slippery slope. Although I look forward to all the liberals who advocate abortion for this reason to start sputtering when technology advances to a point fetuses with a gay gene start to get aborted. Can't argue with the most sacred right of abortion.

 

[CaseHardened]

I am against it.

There is no reason someone with DS can't have a good quality of life and experience happiness. Yes, in many ways they are more limited than others and there are things they will never get to do. But that doesn't mean they should be eugenicaly purged, they live relatively happy lives they aren't suffering in pain every day there is no reason to abort them just because they are more work for the parents.
Every life has meaning and value.

Yes, but it sounds to me like the Danes have (or will), make screening mandatory.

Then shame those who decline an abortion.

Then ... deny all services, including therapy, schooling, perhaps even medical care.

Perhaps even haul the child away - for their own good, you see.

A Liberal Government can make it very difficult for a person to follow their own convictions.

Look around you; it's 2020. And see if that is not so.

 

[GOPerfect]

Without sharing my thoughts on this...

Once the parents die, who pays for the child that is born with DS or another serious infliction?

 

[Robin]

Babies at birth deemed imperfect were commonly killed by every culture, race, and ethnicity around the world, as far as I can figure all the way into the twentieth century. A community depended on the able-bodied to survive and had precious few assets for those that couldn't help and even those that wouldn't help. We live with many luxuries that are taken for granted, one of them is not having to make decisions like that. I have no use for pseudo-virtuous chest pounders that demand other people see the world as they do.

 

[CaseHardened]

Without sharing my thoughts on this...

Once the parents die, who pays for the child that is born with DS or another serious infliction?

The State, of course.

Getting old and useless is another "Serious Affliction".

LIberals have proposed many times denying them Medical Services.

 

[GOPerfect]

U.S. Department of Agriculture, according to them, the cost to raise a child in the US, to the age of 18, is approximately $240,000. The same child, if born with DS is approximately $675,000 for the same 18 year period.

In the US, there are roughly 6500 babies born each year with Downs, the majority of these children, once they reach adulthood, will need government assistance for life.

Can we put a price on this subject?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Without sharing my thoughts on this...

Once the parents die, who pays for the child that is born with DS or another serious infliction?

The same people that pay for folks without DS that abuse the shit out themselves their whole life and wind up with lifestyle diseases.

 

[GOPerfect]

Not just the Spartans.

The Romans, and many Native American Tribes simply left them out to die.

Ironic with the Romans, as the Founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus, were foundlings themselves. And then raised by wolves.


The State, of course.

Getting old and useless is another "Serious Affliction".

LIberals have proposed many times denying them Medical Services.

Not sure if this is a political thing. Not sure if this is left or right....

 

[CaseHardened]

Didn't the Spartans throw deformed babies off a cliff?

This is a very dangerous slippery slope. Although I look forward to all the liberals who advocate abortion for this reason to start sputtering when technology advances to a point fetuses with a gay gene start to get aborted. Can't argue with the most sacred right of abortion.

Not just the Spartans.

Many Native American Tribes simply left them out to die. As did the Romans.

Ironic with the Romans, as the Founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus, were foundlings themselves. And then raised by wolves.

And yet the graves of Neanderthals have been discovered with the skeltons of people who clearly were born with serious deformaties, who also were obviously cared for their entire lives.

Neanderthals Took Care of Deaf and Disabled Buddy Until Old Age

 

[CaseHardened]

Not sure if this is a political thing. Not sure if this is left or right....

I'm certain that abortion and the denial of medical care to the elderly are Liberal things.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm certain that abortion and the denial of medical care to the elderly are Liberal things.

No, I do not think so. I am about as Conservative as they come and some of this I agree with. This is why, I do not think this is a political thing.

Abortion, end of life and the like are in a sense a reality thing.


I'll give you an example of my thinking, and ask you to decide....

Two people need an organ transplant. Only one organ is available. First patient is a 90 year old man, second patient is a 15 year old boy. Based on only what is front of you, you gets the transplant and why?

 

[CaseHardened]

U.S. Department of Agriculture, according to them, the cost to raise a child in the US, to the age of 18, is approximately $240,000. The same child, if born with DS is approximately $675,000 for the same 18 year period.

In the US, there are roughly 6500 babies born each year with Downs, the majority of these children, once they reach adulthood, will need government assistance for life.

Can we put a price on this subject?

I strongly discount the claim that it cost me $240K to raise my child to age 18.

That's over $13K a year !

They must be including the salaries of the Schooling. When I see what Teachers are paid, only then $240K makes sense.

 

[CaseHardened]

No, I do not think so. I am about as Conservative as they come and some of this I agree with. This is why, I do not think this is a political thing.

Abortion, end of life and the like are in a sense a reality thing.


I'll give you an example of my thinking, and ask you to decide....

Two people need an organ transplant. Only one organ is available. First patient is a 90 year old man, second patient is a 15 year old boy. Based on only what is front of you, you gets the transplant and why?

Simple: Whoever was first on the list.

You're not going to get me to deny a 90 year-old man, would has worked his fingers to the bone for many decades, a few more years.

And that boy ? Could be a useless, America-Hating, Gang Banger. That society is better off without.

And once you go down that path, the Liberal will begin judging the value of life according to Race and Culture !

 

[GOPerfect]

Simple: Whoever was first on the list.

I see it very differently. I think giving the organ to the 90 year old is a bit of a waste. I know, cold and heartless....

 

[spat]

Who's to say there is or isn't quality of life for the individual? Just because it may not fit into our idea of how life should be lived doesn't mean that their life wouldn't have purpose and meaning. That is a tough one for the parents indeed though. It is easy for people not in that situation to give advice about what to do. Over the years I have seen stories about individuals afflicted and how purposeful and enjoyable their lives are/were. We had a tubal with our first and were devastated. Couldn't imagine losing a life even in this situation. There is no easy answer. Thank G-d every day for having healthy kids. We take so much for granted.

If there had been a test available, would Stephen Hawking have been aborted ?

 

[GOPerfect]

If there had been a test available, would Stephen Hawking have been aborted ?

Yes, yes he would have been.

 

[CaseHardened]

I see it very differently. I think giving the organ to the 90 year old is a bit of a waste. I know, cold and heartless....

You don't know a single thing about either but their age.

 

[GOPerfect]

You don't know a single thing about either but their age.

Nope, I left it plain for a reason.

 

[CaseHardened]

Yes, yes he would have been.

ABSOLUTELY NOT

Hawking had a rare early-onset slow-progressing form of motor neurone disease (MND; also known as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease), a fatal neurodegenerative disease that results in the death of motor neurones in the brain and spinal cord, which gradually paralysed him over decades.[21]

Hawking had experienced increasing clumsiness during his final year at Oxford, including a fall on some stairs and difficulties when rowing.[252][253] The problems worsened, and his speech became slightly slurred. His family noticed the changes when he returned home for Christmas, and medical investigations were begun.[254][255] The MND diagnosis came when Hawking was 21, in 1963. At the time, doctors gave him a life expectancy of two years.[256][257]

 

[GOPerfect]

ABSOLUTELY NOT

Hawking had a rare early-onset slow-progressing form of motor neurone disease (MND; also known as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease), a fatal neurodegenerative disease that results in the death of motor neurones in the brain and spinal cord, which gradually paralysed him over decades.[21]

Hawking had experienced increasing clumsiness during his final year at Oxford, including a fall on some stairs and difficulties when rowing.[252][253] The problems worsened, and his speech became slightly slurred. His family noticed the changes when he returned home for Christmas, and medical investigations were begun.[254][255] The MND diagnosis came when Hawking was 21, in 1963. At the time, doctors gave him a life expectancy of two years.[256][257]

The question was "If a test was available?"... That is what I answered.