PP recert and pub records exception

[libertysnake]

Has anyone been successful in getting a public records exception during the re-certification process? (or otherwise?)

For https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/PPB-2.pdf , I'm thinking of checking off:

Box #2, on the grounds it makes me a target for someone looking to steal my firearms, and put my life, or the lives of people in my household, in danger because of this targeting.

As well as:

Box #4, because it may make me a target of harassment on the grounds I have firearms, and have neighbors in close proximity.

What grounds have other people here used to get an exemption, and was it successful?

 

[Darth]

Has anyone been successful in getting a public records exception during the re-certification process? (or otherwise?)

For https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/PPB-2.pdf , I'm thinking of checking off:

Box #2, on the grounds it makes me a target for someone looking to steal my firearms, and put my life, or the lives of people in my household, in danger because of this targeting.

As well as:

Box #4, because it may make me a target of harassment on the grounds I have firearms, and have neighbors in close proximity.

What grounds have other people here used to get an exemption, and was it successful?

So many reasons you are right, and so many I am, let's fully support butchering this up, and any other member can as well.

Even in front of a cop!

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm exempted; the whole cop thing...

You wouldn't understand.


On a serious note, almost all that I know in Erie County that wanted their information to be kept private, regardless of the reason were exempted.

Not sure how this is going to work now that the Purple Ties are in charge!

 

[libertysnake]

I'm exempted; the whole cop thing...

You wouldn't understand.


On a serious note, almost all that I know in Erie County that wanted their information to be kept private, regardless of the reason were exempted.

Not sure how this is going to work now that the Purple Ties are in charge!

Is it possible to be denied the exemption, but given the re-certification still? IE, they approve the re-cert, but not the exemption?

Wondering if denial on the exemption will cause problems with re-certification...

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

IT'S JANUARY 7TH GUYS!

 

[masterswimmer]

IT'S JANUARY 7TH GUYS!

.......of 2017 !!!!!

A full year to ponder this question.

And to answer the OP question. There should be zero correlation between the re-cert and the FOIA exemption.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Has anyone been successful in getting a public records exception during the re-certification process? (or otherwise?)

For https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/PPB-2.pdf , I'm thinking of checking off:

Box #2, on the grounds it makes me a target for someone looking to steal my firearms, and put my life, or the lives of people in my household, in danger because of this targeting.

As well as:

Box #4, because it may make me a target of harassment on the grounds I have firearms, and have neighbors in close proximity.

What grounds have other people here used to get an exemption, and was it successful?

I think #4 ,if checked, could be fodder for anti gunners because it would show the gun owner in a negative way in relation to neighbors. It's a set em up and knock them down later thing. The entire system is crap

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm exempted; the whole cop thing...

You wouldn't understand.


On a serious note, almost all that I know in Erie County that wanted their information to be kept private, regardless of the reason were exempted.

Not sure how this is going to work now that the Purple Ties are in charge!

The purple ties. My father does not like them either. They are pomus jerks for the most part.

Now on target I checked the 2 boxes the poster was speaking of and I was granted an exemption. I think if you ask your granted it.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Concealed carry is concealed carry, no one is supposed to know. A public records exemption is part of the total mental concealment process.

The people that wrote this law are low level, low logic people.

Pick your exemption with honest logic not fear.

 

[MikeM]

Last time I renewed in Suffolk county the officer pointed out that didn't choose to be exempted so she said that she checked it off for me, and here is your new permit.

 

[MothMan]

"When the time comes" I could check 1(d). Helped to convict a drug dealer in federal court about 15 years ago and just completed county grand jury duty last month.

 

[4excal]

Last time I renewed in Suffolk county the officer pointed out that didn't choose to be exempted so she said that she checked it off for me, and here is your new permit.

That was exactly my experience here in Putnam!

 

[togmaster]

In Westchester we have had the choice for exemption for a few years now. I don't know anyone who hasn't checked that box. No reason not to.

 

[libertysnake]

In Westchester we have had the choice for exemption for a few years now. I don't know anyone who hasn't checked that box. No reason not to.

Which box did you check? Just curious.

 

[libertysnake]

That was exactly my experience here in Putnam!

Same question I've been asking others -- which box did she check?

 

[4excal]

Same question I've been asking others -- which box did she check?

Idk lol I've had my license for 24 years, this last time was a relocation to different county and the clerk said and did what @MikeM wrote.

 

[minderasr]

One of the options should be "It's nobody's business but my own."

 

[4excal]

One of the options should be "It's nobody's business but my own."

It was our awesome Clerk people (Joyce) at Putnam that did it for me.

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

It is so ironic that if you are a registered voter in NYS; your name and physical address is public information on the voter enrollment rolls and you can't "opt-out" from it being made public.

 

[prambo]

.......of 2017 !!!!!

A full year to ponder this question.

And to answer the OP question. There should be zero correlation between the re-cert and the FOIA exemption.

Hell, in a year we could be neck-deep in a massive civil shit-storm caused by a financial collapse. Or name a half dozen other reasonable scenarios.

An EMP event, natural or otherwise, could fry all the ' puters.

I'll wait, thank you very much.

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

In Westchester we have had the choice for exemption for a few years now. I don't know anyone who hasn't checked that box. No reason not to.

I opted out by reason of my employment; but my name and physical address still remains on the voter enrollment rolls.

 

[Robin]

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So, does that 'application' come with a warrant signed by a judge? What fourth, what constitution? Well, if you have nothing to hide, whats the difference! FUACUPOS!
Robin

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I started using computers and database programs back in the 1980's. Over the course of the last 30+ years, there have been a few instances of data getting "corrupted", with records getting shifted, or lost, or jumbled,- you get the idea.

I can only imagine the shitstorm that will occur if and when this new database gets likewise corrupted.

Can you imagine what will happen if some LEO stops you and his computer printout tells him that you don't have a permit to carry the gun you have on you because the s/n does not match?

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

I started using computers and database programs back in the 1980's. Over the course of the last 30+ years, there have been a few instances of data getting "corrupted", with records getting shifted, or lost, or jumbled,- you get the idea.

I can only imagine the shitstorm that will occur if and when this new database gets likewise corrupted.

Can you imagine what will happen if some LEO stops you and his computer printout tells him that you don't have a permit to carry the gun you have on you because the s/n does not match?

That is more of an administrative matter than a criminal one.

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

Hell, in a year we could be neck-deep in a massive civil shit-storm caused by a financial collapse. Or name a half dozen other reasonable scenarios.

An EMP event, natural or otherwise, could fry all the ' puters.

I'll wait, thank you very much.

That pretty much happened with NYC during the late 1970s; prior to their fiscal crisis NYC CUNY was tuition-free for city residents. History does have a tendency to repeat itself........

 

[VietnamEraVet]

That is more of an administrative matter than a criminal one.

Ultimately an administrative problem, I agree. The problem I see is if you are stopped for some reason and they check your handgun s/n and permit against their database from their car, and it says you don't have that gun on your permit, I can see them arresting you and sorting it out later.

But in the interim, you get arrested and thrown in jail, and have to hire a lawyer to sort it out later...

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

Ultimately an administrative problem, I agree. The problem I see is if you are stopped for some reason and they check your handgun s/n and permit against their database from their car, and it says you don't have that gun on your permit, I can see them arresting you and sorting it out later.

But in the interim, you get arrested and thrown in jail, and have to hire a lawyer to sort it out later...

But the Penal Law states 'license to possess pistol' not just a specific pistol per se (on your license). Using the same analogy; a police or exempt peace officer purchased a pistol on his employment status; naturally the pistol is registered with his employing agency and in the NYSP firearms database. The officer "borrows" a handgun from a friend to practice with it on at his gun club's range. His friend lending him the pistol is NOT with him. Is the officer guilty of CPW as defined in the Penal Law since he is in possession of a handgun he doesn't own and NOT taken in the course of his employment? No. Can his friend be subject to adverse administrative action by his licensing officer-judge?? Yes, quite possibly even though no crime was committed.

 

[LMS]

But the Penal Law states 'license to possess pistol' not just a specific pistol per se (on your license). Using the same analogy; a police or exempt peace officer purchased a pistol on his employment status; naturally the pistol is registered with his employing agency and in the NYSP firearms database. The officer "borrows" a handgun from a friend to practice with it on at his gun club's range. His friend lending him the pistol is NOT with him. Is the officer guilty of CPW as defined in the Penal Law since he is in possession of a handgun he doesn't own and NOT taken in the course of his employment? No. Can his friend be subject to adverse administrative action by his licensing officer-judge?? Yes, quite possibly even though no crime was committed.

I just read through the penal law and couldn't find anything that supports what you are saying. I really want it to be true. Can you point me at where it says this?

 

[libertysnake]

Not sure if anyone is still reading this, but I checked with the state police, who directed me to the lawguns hotline number which I called. I was told box #4 is acceptable to the state as a reason, and not to bother checking off #2 as well. That was their suggestion to me.

 

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

I just read through the penal law and couldn't find anything that supports what you are saying. I really want it to be true. Can you point me at where it says this?

You might want to e-mail the NYSP pistol licensing bureau; they are in a better position to answer your question.