That's basically how all laws work.
SAFE ACT Noncompliance in NYS
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That's basically how all laws work.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
There is opposition, just no competent and committed leadership to take charge and lead the fight.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Well at this point they can over-ride Cuomo's veto so they feel like they can do anything they want. If you look at some of the non-gun related ideas being floated we can see they're definitely feeling more powerful than they have in years.
I will agree to this my friend. They will passing shit in NY like they never have in the past.
That's not how pro-gun advocacy should work.
Not necessarily true...
I do no, not follow laws out of fear, I follow most laws out of respect for myself and others. I do not murder for fear of jail time, I do not murder because it is wrong in today's society. I do not rob from others for the same reason. No fear.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Right but that's your personal behavior. The law is there as a deterrent to non-compliance. It doesn't mean there isn't honor in the action, just that there are potentially consequences to not following it.
That is why I began it with... Not necessarily true.....
I am not now, nor will I ever be in compliance in regards to gun/ammo laws. I do not fear their consequences.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
You can see opposition right here. There's opposition in Albany too as evidenced by the vote sheets. The probelm is our ostensibly pro-gun organizations are unable/unwilling to organize these forces to counter the gun control narrative.
Well, there's certainly more private property than there is property comprised of Firing Ranges! And there is no way any States/LE will be able to control that...
It's a losing battle (for them) other than for you/us to assume it is. Something the programming they instill in everyone's brain, especially in NY, seems to bear fruit for them.
It's a losing battle (for them) other than for you/us to assume it is. Something the programming they instill in everyone's brain, especially in NY, seems to bear fruit for them.
Talk about non-compliance. Guy I work with who is former military, not a LEO, carries standard capacity pistol mags. Says he doesn't give a fuck and is convinced that cops won't/don't care either. I told him all it takes is that one cop who does care. Granted his chances of getting stopped and his mags inspected is quite low, but it's not something I'd have the balls to do. God bless him for doing it though. The way I am I would worry about it non-stop.
Prior to my current occupation, so did I. When I was selling guns at GM, most carried standard. Most of my friends do as well.
Most cops do not know the laws. Not even a working knowledge of them.
Well I'm a pussy when it comes to that because if I'm caught I'll have no guns at all. I'll just carry spare mags and practice reloads.
Imagine what our founding fathers felt when their system of law probably started off with about 30 things that they were not allowed to do but were obvious moral issues (murder, steal, arson, assault, rape etc..)that you don't need a law to tell you is wrong in the first place they're just flat out wrong and everyone knows it.
Now, we have found ourselves on the complete opposite end of the spectrum where we are left with about 30 things remaining that are still not illegal.
Big difference. Very sad and frustrating.
I find it very unsettling that session of legislature after session, our elected politicians feel their purpose is to continue endlessly creating new and ever intrusive laws. Do they really think that's their purpose?
First... NY Republicans are not conservative in its true sense. They're moderate, straddling the middle of a see-saw and float in & out with the lefist progressive agenda as it suits them!
Second, agreed in that for the most part, normal people do not live in fear of the law, because they're not "intentionally" breaking laws. We aren't talking about being 10mph over the limit in V&T law. Robbers, muggers, thieves, rapists, murderers... Well now, that takes a conviction to commit a crime, to commit an offense upon others! These laws that conflict with 2A Constitutional recognized "Rights" should not be, and never should be held in the same degree of scrutiny as the aforementioned offenses. But these politicans... Well like it's been popularized before, a 30 round mag can get you a jail time worse than a rapist! Which if course we know is ridiculous...
Lastly... The social compact we are "ALL" taking part in, is something of a Civic lesson that politicans need to be apprised of. We agree to give the govt powers, and we agree to abide by those rules they make. That's it ... We've never given the Gov't the ability to arbitrarily and unilaterally "RULE" over society. We've never agreed to allow the govt to operate with impunity while we may only do so by permission bestowed upon us by them. The inversion we are currently living through is grotesque and repulsive to many more than they could imagine, but again, for the most part, people are reserved to compliance in regard to social norms and collective acceptance. That in no way implies submission. They (politicians) seem to confuse the two...
And yeah, we are all 99.999% not ever going to run into these type of problems unless there's an circumstance outside the norm. You are getting stopped and your mag capacity checked.
Anyways... It's all good and these conversations are always enticing and entertaining.
Here's some better thoughts... Lmao!
Zero Foxtrot!!!
Zero fucks to give... All my FUCKS are used up, gone, even forgotten! Just don't give a fuck any more...
Second, agreed in that for the most part, normal people do not live in fear of the law, because they're not "intentionally" breaking laws. We aren't talking about being 10mph over the limit in V&T law. Robbers, muggers, thieves, rapists, murderers... Well now, that takes a conviction to commit a crime, to commit an offense upon others! These laws that conflict with 2A Constitutional recognized "Rights" should not be, and never should be held in the same degree of scrutiny as the aforementioned offenses. But these politicans... Well like it's been popularized before, a 30 round mag can get you a jail time worse than a rapist! Which if course we know is ridiculous...
Lastly... The social compact we are "ALL" taking part in, is something of a Civic lesson that politicans need to be apprised of. We agree to give the govt powers, and we agree to abide by those rules they make. That's it ... We've never given the Gov't the ability to arbitrarily and unilaterally "RULE" over society. We've never agreed to allow the govt to operate with impunity while we may only do so by permission bestowed upon us by them. The inversion we are currently living through is grotesque and repulsive to many more than they could imagine, but again, for the most part, people are reserved to compliance in regard to social norms and collective acceptance. That in no way implies submission. They (politicians) seem to confuse the two...
And yeah, we are all 99.999% not ever going to run into these type of problems unless there's an circumstance outside the norm. You are getting stopped and your mag capacity checked.
Anyways... It's all good and these conversations are always enticing and entertaining.
Here's some better thoughts... Lmao!
Zero Foxtrot!!!
Zero fucks to give... All my FUCKS are used up, gone, even forgotten! Just don't give a fuck any more...
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Quite obvious that's what they think.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
NY is particularly oppressive in this sense as the only referendums that can be called for random vote, are by legislative referral. Meaning, if the democrats don't pose the question for vote to the people, it won't get voted on.
This is why we can't just gather signatures against Cuomo and recall him, compared with Cali which has laws, ironically, protecting their citizens' rights to call a referendum all on their own.
We need to get that power back into the hands of the people in NYS if we're ever to make any headway. That's stage 1. That's where our economic reprisals should be targeted.
spat
.950 JDJ
But the cops work for thy county and if they don't tell the DA about it, they can't do shit.
spat
.950 JDJ
If he ever has to use it, the chance of those mags getting inspected is 100%.
If he never has to use it, they are no more useful than the legal ones.
However, if he ever needs that 11th round and it's not there, the rest of the issues could become moot.
The gun will for sure be taken as evidence. Who knows if he'd be charged or not. You won't know till you know. Or he could ditch the mags before anyone gets there. Maybe carry a 10 rounder on you for that purpose. Not anything I'd want to deal with either way. .
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
This literally makes the Nobel peace prize worthless IMO.
Last thing... And I mean the last thing I'd be worrying about "IF" heaven forbid I ever had to use a firearm... Is whether or not my mag is compliant, or if I had any skull grips, or was wearing a 2A T-Shirt... etc...
The only thing I'd be worrying about, especially immediately should a life preservation event occur while using my firearm, is checking the threat, ensuring it has ended, then making sure no additional threats were present, then check myself for holes, cuts or other injuries... Then that of those around me if I were protecting them... then maybe I'd secure my weapon, maybe... and then maybe, possibly check the threat, see if it was still functional. Then call for assistance... etc., etc.
Everything else will shake out as it will... There's no way to predict what will or won't happen, etc., especially legally... So it's no use worrying about it. The thing to focus and worry about, is the entire point of carrying and having a firearm on your person to begin with, that of your survival, period! Don't lose focus, don't lose sight of that purpose! Be singular in your thinking and with purpose in your intent! That's it...
Have a wonderful day
The only thing I'd be worrying about, especially immediately should a life preservation event occur while using my firearm, is checking the threat, ensuring it has ended, then making sure no additional threats were present, then check myself for holes, cuts or other injuries... Then that of those around me if I were protecting them... then maybe I'd secure my weapon, maybe... and then maybe, possibly check the threat, see if it was still functional. Then call for assistance... etc., etc.
Everything else will shake out as it will... There's no way to predict what will or won't happen, etc., especially legally... So it's no use worrying about it. The thing to focus and worry about, is the entire point of carrying and having a firearm on your person to begin with, that of your survival, period! Don't lose focus, don't lose sight of that purpose! Be singular in your thinking and with purpose in your intent! That's it...
Have a wonderful day
repete
.338 Win Mag
Did you miss " if the "assault" rifle is in sight " that could and probably would be used as probable cause, or they might catch a wiff of pot smoke or whatever. You never know what someone else is going to do and when that 'someone' has a badge and authority and had a fight with his wife...
What kind of idiot drives around in NY state with any firearms in view? Don't drive with guns and smoke pot. Don't smoke pot in the car! Don't smoke pot, PERIOD. You want to smoke pot, I don't give a fuck what happens to you. Sorry for being blunt and by "you" I don't mean you personally, just a figure of speech.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
I dont think he meant actual pot smell.I think it was a reference to a cop using the smell of pot, real or imagined, to initiate a search.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep, I remember a State trooper saying If I follow you for five minutes, I'll have probable cause to pull you over.
Failure to keep right was always a good one. There are ton's of them. Its' NY!
Robin
Failure to keep right was always a good one. There are ton's of them. Its' NY!
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
You absolutely can't worry about that during or in the immediate aftermath of an incident.Last thing... And I mean the last thing I'd be worrying about "IF" heaven forbid I ever had to use a firearm... Is whether or not my mag is compliant, or if I had any skull grips, or was wearing a 2A T-Shirt... etc...
The only thing I'd be worrying about, especially immediately should a life preservation event occur while using my firearm, is checking the threat, ensuring it has ended, then making sure no additional threats were present, then check myself for holes, cuts or other injuries... Then that of those around me if I were protecting them... then maybe I'd secure my weapon, maybe... and then maybe, possibly check the threat, see if it was still functional. Then call for assistance... etc., etc.
Everything else will shake out as it will... There's no way to predict what will or won't happen, etc., especially legally... So it's no use worrying about it. The thing to focus and worry about, is the entire point of carrying and having a firearm on your person to begin with, that of your survival, period! Don't lose focus, don't lose sight of that purpose! Be singular in your thinking and with purpose in your intent! That's it...
Have a wonderful day
But it sure is worth worrying about before hand. A lot more important than "9mm or .45" or "which hollowpoint expands best".
In the past 25 years I was pulled over about a dozen times driving with firearms mostly in NY and NJ. I never gave a reason to a cop to do anything more then give me a ticket. I was even foolish enough a few times to reveal I was going to a rifle match. Only once they asked me what kind of rifle I shoot and never actually checked it. Currently if I am asked about any firearms in the vehicle, the answer will be, NO.
As I got older and wiser, I realized driving at speeds greater then 10 miles over the limit can lead to a huge set back, especially during the dark hours of the morning. The epiphany came to me when I almost hit a truck axel which was right in the middle of the lane. I barely avoided crashing into it. So being pulled over for speeding doesn't come up lately.